Same Party, Different House
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Yeah I'm not too worried about his ability to actually do it, but the tone, content and the seeds he's planting for his fan base are very troubling. We've never delayed a presidential election, even during World Wars, a Civil War, and an epidemic that killed 500,000-850,000 Americans.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am49% white in low income housingPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.
This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.
It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.
That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.
Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.
foreverlax wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:57 amAnother fact-less post.....Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
Blacks - 42%
Whites - 34%
Hispanic - 18%
White are 24% lower....
Absolutely.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am49% white in low income housingPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.
This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.
It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.
That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.
Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.
You should have a few of the fine folks from Latrobe Homes set up next door to you. C'mon, lead by example MD!! Let us know how you do!
You didn't say Section 8...you said low income housing....Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:17 amforeverlax wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:57 amAnother fact-less post.....Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
Blacks - 42%
Whites - 34%
Hispanic - 18%
White are 24% lower....
This didn't take long to debunk. Back to elementary school for you. Section 8:
https://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/H ... ght2-2.pdf
The distribution of residents living in Project-Based Section 8 housing units is similar to the racial composition of ELI renters. About half (49%) of Project-Based Section 8 residents are white, about a third (33%) are black and 13% are Hispanic.
Across all public housing, about 45% of residents are black while another third (32%) are white and a little over 20% are Hispanic. The residents utilizing housing vouchers resemble those of public housing, with a slightly higher proportion (35%)
of white tenants and a slightly lower proportion (16%) of Hispanic tenants. Black households are 45% of voucher holders (See Chart 2).
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 amAbsolutely.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am49% white in low income housingPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.
This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.
It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.
That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.
Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.
You should have a few of the fine folks from Latrobe Homes set up next door to you. C'mon, lead by example MD!! Let us know how you do!
Lots of those families would do SO much better disaggregated, not trapped in those conditions crammed together in poverty and violence from the drug trade.
That's exactly the sort of public housing that needs to go.
Section 8 is not all low income subsidized housing, with public housing (about 30% over all) in particular being much more skewed racially.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:17 amforeverlax wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:57 amAnother fact-less post.....Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
Blacks - 42%
Whites - 34%
Hispanic - 18%
White are 24% lower....
This didn't take long to debunk. Back to elementary school for you. Section 8:
https://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/H ... ght2-2.pdf
The distribution of residents living in Project-Based Section 8 housing units is similar to the racial composition of ELI renters. About half (49%) of Project-Based Section 8 residents are white, about a third (33%) are black and 13% are Hispanic.
foreverlax's source is from the same PDF, it's the very next line right after PB's quote for those who want to check.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:24 am
Section 8 is not all low income subsidized housing, with public housing (about 30% over all) in particular being much more skewed racially.
But even this stat you cite makes clear that your first statement was incorrect, 49% is not a majority.
I'll let forever cite his source, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's correct when you include all low income subsidized housing.
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:23 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 amAbsolutely.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am49% white in low income housingPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.
This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.
It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.
That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.
Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.
You should have a few of the fine folks from Latrobe Homes set up next door to you. C'mon, lead by example MD!! Let us know how you do!
Lots of those families would do SO much better disaggregated, not trapped in those conditions crammed together in poverty and violence from the drug trade.
That's exactly the sort of public housing that needs to go.
So instead of haranguing the perfectly fine folks of Fanlax who prefer a safe home environment, go downtown today, demand that some residents of Latrobe set up next to Gilman School, and lead by example!
Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income??? After thinking about it more, I would chalk it up as just his style of distraction politics. It's out there to take the focus off the abysmal economic news.
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:28 amforeverlax's source is from the same PDF, it's the very next line right after PB's quote for those who want to check.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:24 am
Section 8 is not all low income subsidized housing, with public housing (about 30% over all) in particular being much more skewed racially.
But even this stat you cite makes clear that your first statement was incorrect, 49% is not a majority.
I'll let forever cite his source, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's correct when you include all low income subsidized housing.
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:28 amforeverlax's source is from the same PDF, it's the very next line right after PB's quote for those who want to check.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:24 am
Section 8 is not all low income subsidized housing, with public housing (about 30% over all) in particular being much more skewed racially.
But even this stat you cite makes clear that your first statement was incorrect, 49% is not a majority.
I'll let forever cite his source, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's correct when you include all low income subsidized housing.
Yes, Trumpist.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:31 amholmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:28 amforeverlax's source is from the same PDF, it's the very next line right after PB's quote for those who want to check.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:24 am
Section 8 is not all low income subsidized housing, with public housing (about 30% over all) in particular being much more skewed racially.
But even this stat you cite makes clear that your first statement was incorrect, 49% is not a majority.
I'll let forever cite his source, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's correct when you include all low income subsidized housing.
None of you fine folks live anywhere near public housing, is my humble guess. I suggest, because clearly this issue animates you, that you open your doors or that of your neighbors to anyone currently being subsidized for low-income housing, regardless of race.
Also, stop berating Trump's doctor who advocates for hydroxychloroquine; she's black. You are racist if you deride her.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 amPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:23 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 amAbsolutely.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am49% white in low income housingPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.
This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.
It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.
That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.
Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.
You should have a few of the fine folks from Latrobe Homes set up next door to you. C'mon, lead by example MD!! Let us know how you do!
Lots of those families would do SO much better disaggregated, not trapped in those conditions crammed together in poverty and violence from the drug trade.
That's exactly the sort of public housing that needs to go.
So instead of haranguing the perfectly fine folks of Fanlax who prefer a safe home environment, go downtown today, demand that some residents of Latrobe set up next to Gilman School, and lead by example!
As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.
Yeah, I kind of see it this way too. But the push back should be real and unanimous, across all political lines. Over 150,000 Union soldiers voted by mail in 1864. We send social security number and cards through the mails; credit cards through the mail; check for services and products through the mail; draft registrations, driver's licenses, etc.
If the election is close in November, and it could very well be, and he loses ... then Trump may try and find a way to send the election to Congress, where he would almost certainly win (states vote as a single block, so CA and NY and TX get one vote each).seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:39 amYeah, I kind of see it this way too. But the push back should be real and unanimous, across all political lines. Over 150,000 Union soldiers voted by mail in 1864. We send social security number and cards through the mails; credit cards through the mail; check for services and products through the mail; draft registrations, driver's licenses, etc.
And of course there is 3 U.S.C. Section 1: "The electors of the President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice." He is suggesting a violation of federal law, of course.
We all live in areas with subsidized housing, Pete. We've been over this.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:31 am None of you fine folks live anywhere near public housing, is my humble guess. I suggest, because clearly this issue animates you, that you open your doors or that of your neighbors to anyone currently being subsidized for low-income housing,
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 amPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:23 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 amAbsolutely.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am49% white in low income housingPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.
This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.
This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.
It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.
That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.
Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.
You should have a few of the fine folks from Latrobe Homes set up next door to you. C'mon, lead by example MD!! Let us know how you do!
Lots of those families would do SO much better disaggregated, not trapped in those conditions crammed together in poverty and violence from the drug trade.
That's exactly the sort of public housing that needs to go.
So instead of haranguing the perfectly fine folks of Fanlax who prefer a safe home environment, go downtown today, demand that some residents of Latrobe set up next to Gilman School, and lead by example!
As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.
Would it hurt you if you learned that those nice persons of color actually don't want to live near you?
https://www.philadelphiafed.org/-/media ... nities.pdf
Did I want the servers to be white and the black servers to be out of a job?? 