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Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:43 am I’m endlessly fascinated with the majority of this boards reluctance to tell folks like DocB and JHU72 to stuff it when they claim all Trump voters are amoral, unethical, disinterested, etc.

I’m the operating partner of an 1100-person aviation company. We are growing fast. We carry zero debt outside weekly trade and accrued expenses. Maybe 5% of our firm has a college degree. Most of our employees have home cooked meals for lunch. I’m not aware of anyone who has a graduate degree. I don’t! I’d say somewhere near 75% of our employee base is what you’d call ‘blue collar’, though given their immense technical skills not to mention work ethic, I look at those who look down upon our people as blue collar, if it’s a pejorative term. We spend inordinate amounts of money investing in our people. Easily 50% carry guns in their pickups. 20% are first generation American.

The only issue of any note we had to deal with in the last year came from one of our college graduates, who’s no longer with us. He objected to HR that some of the employees were wearing those red MAGA hats. I voted for Obama and skipped the last one. The ‘MAGA hat’ decision came down to me and I sided with the employees, who cheered at each location (from what I was told) when HR announced we are a free speech company and you can wear any hat you want provided it’s not vulgar, sexist, etc.

I’d bet 75% of those ‘blue collar’ employees are Trump voters. Every time you denigrate them, as is done here daily by supposed elite educated posters, you lock up one more vote for Trump. Argue with his policies, but when you gratuitously slap his voters, you’re going to be very unhappy come 2021.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:11 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:00 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:33 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:15 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:01 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:48 am

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:07 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:34 am Interesting:

https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/no ... pdf#page=1

Next up: Bill Taylor, principled diplomat
Gordon Sondland, guy who donated campaign money for a sweet job

In spite of at one point saying the President had no quid pro quo, the texts contain ample evidence of exactly that - Ukraine was to sign a statement pledging to investigate the conspiracy theory the Trumpists were pushing in order to get US support on pretty much anything. The texts get cut off just about when the IG report hits Congress...

All the evidence you need for impeachment is confirmed here...

… for reasonable people. We will see when the Trumpnista on the forum chime in, that we are not dealing with reasonable people living in the real world. Besides how did these text messages ever make the news cycle, they are unimportant compared to the real news - you haven't heard, Joe Biden is the father of Hillary Clinton's alien baby.

I still have hope for our Trumpist friends on this forum.

I have no hope for them.

well, there's one truly deranged troll who I would agree is a lost cause, but I'm keeping an open door for the rest.

If you mean by hope you mean they can be turned around without having to drag them kicking and screaming into the daylight -- I don't think so. But feel free to hope. Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.

I don't think they will burst into flames when the daylight hits them.
A lot of blinking, yes.
It's going to be hard for them to adjust to the light.

So, if we actually want that to happen with some/many, how do they 'save face' ?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:39 am That text exchange is remarkable....the declaration that the president does not want quid pro quo was priceless. Sounds like his staff dictated it.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:32 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:43 am I’m endlessly fascinated with the majority of this boards reluctance to tell folks like DocB and JHU72 to stuff it when they claim all Trump voters are amoral, unethical, disinterested, etc.

I’m the operating partner of an 1100-person aviation company. We are growing fast. We carry zero debt outside weekly trade and accrued expenses. Maybe 5% of our firm has a college degree. Most of our employees have home cooked meals for lunch. I’m not aware of anyone who has a graduate degree. I don’t! I’d say somewhere near 75% of our employee base is what you’d call ‘blue collar’, though given their immense technical skills not to mention work ethic, I look at those who look down upon our people as blue collar, if it’s a pejorative term. We spend inordinate amounts of money investing in our people. Easily 50% carry guns in their pickups. 20% are first generation American.

The only issue of any note we had to deal with in the last year came from one of our college graduates, who’s no longer with us. He objected to HR that some of the employees were wearing those red MAGA hats. I voted for Obama and skipped the last one. The ‘MAGA hat’ decision came down to me and I sided with the employees, who cheered at each location (from what I was told) when HR announced we are a free speech company and you can wear any hat you want provided it’s not vulgar, sexist, etc.

I’d bet 75% of those ‘blue collar’ employees are Trump voters. Every time you denigrate them, as is done here daily by supposed elite educated posters, you lock up one more vote for Trump. Argue with his policies, but when you gratuitously slap his voters, you’re going to be very unhappy come 2021.

If they are so insecure, fearful and hateful as to care what I think, then go ahead and vote for Trump. If they wish to cut off their nose to spit their face, then go ahead. They will get what they deserve, as they are in the process now.

If you wish to felate them, knock yourself out. I won't! I grew up in a blue collar family and neighborhood, I more than understand these people and what makes them tic. They are great people, loving, caring, plenty of smarts, but generally insecure and jealous, telling themselves they don't get a fair shake and a general unwillingness (as a class) to get the education, take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them, that would change their situation. Sorry, not my fault. Their favorite story is how the "dumb beans" college graduate engineer misconnected the "check valve" to the waterpump and how they personally saved the day.

By the way, there are many individuals on this forum who have resumes that are as if not more impressive than yours.

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:01 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:39 am That text exchange is remarkable....the declaration that the president does not want quid pro quo was priceless. Sounds like his staff dictated it.

The quid pro quo already happened. Are Americans really so dumb that they don't understand that?

Did we already give the Ukranians arms and cash? Yes.

Did the guy who is in charge of dispensing these arms and cash ask the President for "a favor"? Yes.

Soooo...... 1+1= squirrel, is that it?

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:01 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:39 am That text exchange is remarkable....the declaration that the president does not want quid pro quo was priceless. Sounds like his staff dictated it.

The quid pro quo already happened. Are Americans really so dumb that they don't understand that?

Did we already give the Ukranians arms and cash? Yes.

Did the guy who is in charge of dispensing these arms and cash ask the President for "a favor"? Yes.

Soooo...... 1+1= squirrel, is that it?

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:43 am I’m endlessly fascinated with the majority of this boards reluctance to tell folks like DocB and JHU72 to stuff it when they claim all Trump voters are amoral, unethical, disinterested, etc.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:43 am Every time you denigrate them, as is done here daily by supposed elite educated posters, you lock up one more vote for Trump. Argue with his policies, but when you gratuitously slap his voters, you’re going to be very unhappy come 2021.[/color]

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:37 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:32 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:43 am I’m endlessly fascinated with the majority of this boards reluctance to tell folks like DocB and JHU72 to stuff it when they claim all Trump voters are amoral, unethical, disinterested, etc.

I’m the operating partner of an 1100-person aviation company. We are growing fast. We carry zero debt outside weekly trade and accrued expenses. Maybe 5% of our firm has a college degree. Most of our employees have home cooked meals for lunch. I’m not aware of anyone who has a graduate degree. I don’t! I’d say somewhere near 75% of our employee base is what you’d call ‘blue collar’, though given their immense technical skills not to mention work ethic, I look at those who look down upon our people as blue collar, if it’s a pejorative term. We spend inordinate amounts of money investing in our people. Easily 50% carry guns in their pickups. 20% are first generation American.

The only issue of any note we had to deal with in the last year came from one of our college graduates, who’s no longer with us. He objected to HR that some of the employees were wearing those red MAGA hats. I voted for Obama and skipped the last one. The ‘MAGA hat’ decision came down to me and I sided with the employees, who cheered at each location (from what I was told) when HR announced we are a free speech company and you can wear any hat you want provided it’s not vulgar, sexist, etc.

I’d bet 75% of those ‘blue collar’ employees are Trump voters. Every time you denigrate them, as is done here daily by supposed elite educated posters, you lock up one more vote for Trump. Argue with his policies, but when you gratuitously slap his voters, you’re going to be very unhappy come 2021.

If they are so insecure, fearful and hateful as to care what I think, then go ahead and vote for Trump. If they wish to cut off their nose to spit their face, then go ahead. They will get what they deserve, as they are in the process now.

If you wish to felate them, knock yourself out. I won't! I grew up in a blue collar family and neighborhood, I more than understand these people and what makes them tic. They are great people, loving, caring, plenty of smarts, but generally insecure and jealous, telling themselves they don't get a fair shake and a general unwillingness (as a class) to get the education, take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them, that would change their situation. Sorry, not my fault. Their favorite story is how the "dumb beans" college graduate engineer misconnected the "check valve" to the waterpump and how they personally saved the day.

By the way, there are many individuals on this forum who have resumes that are as if not more impressive than yours.

I may be more on your side on all of this back and forth but don’t get it twisted, there’s plenty of insecurity and jealousy from the effete intellectual class as well. You’ve got one (obvious one, probably more) amongst your college lacrosse posing cohort I’m sure you are fully aware of. Perhaps one with law and medical degrees who liked to point it out every other week on LP?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:45 am
But the guy texted that the POTUS did not want quid pro quo so it is all good now.

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:52 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:45 am
But the guy texted that the POTUS did not want quid pro quo so it is all good now.

Oh, that's iron clad right there, you're right.

"Some guy" said there wasn't a quid pro that. quo. Can't argue with that, now can you?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:37 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:32 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:43 am I’m endlessly fascinated with the majority of this boards reluctance to tell folks like DocB and JHU72 to stuff it when they claim all Trump voters are amoral, unethical, disinterested, etc.

I’m the operating partner of an 1100-person aviation company. We are growing fast. We carry zero debt outside weekly trade and accrued expenses. Maybe 5% of our firm has a college degree. Most of our employees have home cooked meals for lunch. I’m not aware of anyone who has a graduate degree. I don’t! I’d say somewhere near 75% of our employee base is what you’d call ‘blue collar’, though given their immense technical skills not to mention work ethic, I look at those who look down upon our people as blue collar, if it’s a pejorative term. We spend inordinate amounts of money investing in our people. Easily 50% carry guns in their pickups. 20% are first generation American.

The only issue of any note we had to deal with in the last year came from one of our college graduates, who’s no longer with us. He objected to HR that some of the employees were wearing those red MAGA hats. I voted for Obama and skipped the last one. The ‘MAGA hat’ decision came down to me and I sided with the employees, who cheered at each location (from what I was told) when HR announced we are a free speech company and you can wear any hat you want provided it’s not vulgar, sexist, etc.

I’d bet 75% of those ‘blue collar’ employees are Trump voters. Every time you denigrate them, as is done here daily by supposed elite educated posters, you lock up one more vote for Trump. Argue with his policies, but when you gratuitously slap his voters, you’re going to be very unhappy come 2021.

If they are so insecure, fearful and hateful as to care what I think, then go ahead and vote for Trump. If they wish to cut off their nose to spit their face, then go ahead. They will get what they deserve, as they are in the process now.

If you wish to felate them, knock yourself out. I won't! I grew up in a blue collar family and neighborhood, I more than understand these people and what makes them tic. They are great people, loving, caring, plenty of smarts, but generally insecure and jealous, telling themselves they don't get a fair shake and a general unwillingness (as a class) to get the education, take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them, that would change their situation. Sorry, not my fault. Their favorite story is how the "dumb beans" college graduate engineer misconnected the "check valve" to the waterpump and how they personally saved the day.

By the way, there are many individuals on this forum who have resumes that are as if not more impressive than yours.

I may be more on your side on all of this back and forth but don’t get it twisted, there’s plenty of insecurity and jealousy from the effete intellectual class as well. You’ve got one (obvious one, probably more) amongst your college lacrosse posing cohort I’m sure you are fully aware of. Perhaps one with law and medical degrees who liked to point it out every other week on LP?

Trinity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:31 pm Very sloppy State Department work to support Rudy. Bill Taylor gloriously wrecks the Trump “corruption” narrative. Quid met quo and got it drunk and had wall-sex. What’s left? Trump’s right to do whatever he wants?

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:28 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:37 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:32 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:43 am I’m endlessly fascinated with the majority of this boards reluctance to tell folks like DocB and JHU72 to stuff it when they claim all Trump voters are amoral, unethical, disinterested, etc.

I’m the operating partner of an 1100-person aviation company. We are growing fast. We carry zero debt outside weekly trade and accrued expenses. Maybe 5% of our firm has a college degree. Most of our employees have home cooked meals for lunch. I’m not aware of anyone who has a graduate degree. I don’t! I’d say somewhere near 75% of our employee base is what you’d call ‘blue collar’, though given their immense technical skills not to mention work ethic, I look at those who look down upon our people as blue collar, if it’s a pejorative term. We spend inordinate amounts of money investing in our people. Easily 50% carry guns in their pickups. 20% are first generation American.

The only issue of any note we had to deal with in the last year came from one of our college graduates, who’s no longer with us. He objected to HR that some of the employees were wearing those red MAGA hats. I voted for Obama and skipped the last one. The ‘MAGA hat’ decision came down to me and I sided with the employees, who cheered at each location (from what I was told) when HR announced we are a free speech company and you can wear any hat you want provided it’s not vulgar, sexist, etc.

I’d bet 75% of those ‘blue collar’ employees are Trump voters. Every time you denigrate them, as is done here daily by supposed elite educated posters, you lock up one more vote for Trump. Argue with his policies, but when you gratuitously slap his voters, you’re going to be very unhappy come 2021.

If they are so insecure, fearful and hateful as to care what I think, then go ahead and vote for Trump. If they wish to cut off their nose to spit their face, then go ahead. They will get what they deserve, as they are in the process now.

If you wish to felate them, knock yourself out. I won't! I grew up in a blue collar family and neighborhood, I more than understand these people and what makes them tic. They are great people, loving, caring, plenty of smarts, but generally insecure and jealous, telling themselves they don't get a fair shake and a general unwillingness (as a class) to get the education, take advantage of the educational opportunities available to them, that would change their situation. Sorry, not my fault. Their favorite story is how the "dumb beans" college graduate engineer misconnected the "check valve" to the waterpump and how they personally saved the day.

By the way, there are many individuals on this forum who have resumes that are as if not more impressive than yours.

I may be more on your side on all of this back and forth but don’t get it twisted, there’s plenty of insecurity and jealousy from the effete intellectual class as well. You’ve got one (obvious one, probably more) amongst your college lacrosse posing cohort I’m sure you are fully aware of. Perhaps one with law and medical degrees who liked to point it out every other week on LP?

I don't think I said or alluded to these particular issues not effecting other cultures / classes. I am not qualified, can't speak from personal knowledge of other cultures / classes. Can only take an educated guess. I do know the white blue collar working class very well however. As for the individual you described, he is certainly a character and I would not presume to psychoanalyze him - I know him only through his postings. There are multiple possible explanations. He however is not my concern - I am reasonably certain he didn't run off and vote for Orange Duce in a snit.