All things CoronaVirus

[seacoaster]

Here are the Red Dawn emails, if anyone is interested:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... pdf#page=1

If nothing else, check out Dr. Eva Lee's email of February 3 at 1:45 AM.

[Trinity]

Trump’s supply chain task force, heavily influenced by Kushner, has been dubbed “the children” inside FEMA headquarters, per @NBCNews. Task force leaders “pushed aside the existing response teams...instead, they first reached out to personal contacts.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... y-n1180786

[runrussellrun]

Here are the Red Dawn emails, if anyone is interested:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... pdf#page=1

While you can't read this comment, what is the summary of these "red dawn" emails? What are some take aways that we should be worried about?

hopefully, in the Re-make of Red Dawn, Lea Thompsons' daughter can play C. Thomas Howells role.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Zoey+De ... Ujd7MzEHnM

[runrussellrun]

Trump’s supply chain task force, heavily influenced by Kushner, has been dubbed “the children” inside FEMA headquarters, per @NBCNews. Task force leaders “pushed aside the existing response teams...instead, they first reached out to personal contacts.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... y-n1180786

Is THIS ......following the money?

[seacoaster]

Here are the Red Dawn emails, if anyone is interested:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... pdf#page=1

While you can't read this comment, what is the summary of these "red dawn" emails? What are some take aways that we should be worried about?

hopefully, in the Re-make of Red Dawn, Lea Thompsons' daughter can play C. Thomas Howells role.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Zoey+De ... Ujd7MzEHnM

I think Trinity posted the article from the Times, which summarized the emails. They appear to percolate out from among public health professionals and infectious disease physicians in later January and early February, debating the virus and its attributes, and almost uniformly end with "we should be getting out in front of it" -- when we (government) were not doing so.

[runrussellrun]

Here are the Red Dawn emails, if anyone is interested:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... pdf#page=1

While you can't read this comment, what is the summary of these "red dawn" emails? What are some take aways that we should be worried about?

hopefully, in the Re-make of Red Dawn, Lea Thompsons' daughter can play C. Thomas Howells role.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Zoey+De ... Ujd7MzEHnM

I think Trinity posted the article from the Times, which summarized the emails. They appear to percolate out from among public health professionals and infectious disease physicians in later January and early February, debating the virus and its attributes, and almost uniformly end with "we should be getting out in front of it" -- when we (government) were not doing so.

Yup.....lots of Doctors on these emails. What would Bill Bellicheat be saying to all these DOCS, working for the US citizens...."do your job"

they didn't. blaming a reality tv low life ? this IS the end game, correct? give us a freeking break. ENUFF. Blame the medical community. I specifically blame DOC and his ilk.. ........the PROFESSIONALS. Doubt tRump ever told grips, gaffers and all the other UNION workers on his stupid show, how to do their jobs.

Why didn't the New York Times cover event 201 ? exactly

[Peter Brown]

Here are the Red Dawn emails, if anyone is interested:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... pdf#page=1

While you can't read this comment, what is the summary of these "red dawn" emails? What are some take aways that we should be worried about?

hopefully, in the Re-make of Red Dawn, Lea Thompsons' daughter can play C. Thomas Howells role.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Zoey+De ... Ujd7MzEHnM

I think Trinity posted the article from the Times, which summarized the emails. They appear to percolate out from among public health professionals and infectious disease physicians in later January and early February, debating the virus and its attributes, and almost uniformly end with "we should be getting out in front of it" -- when we (government) were not doing so.

Yup.....lots of Doctors on these emails. What would Bill Bellicheat be saying to all these DOCS, working for the US citizens...."do your job"

they didn't. blaming a reality tv low life ? this IS the end game, correct? give us a freeking break. ENUFF. Blame the medical community. I specifically blame DOC and his ilk.. ........the PROFESSIONALS. Doubt tRump ever told grips, gaffers and all the other UNION workers on his stupid show, how to do their jobs.

Why didn't the New York Times cover event 201 ? exactly

Apparently you did not get the memo. Here's the skinny: Trump, who Trinity's gang calls 'really dumb', should have been smarter than his own CDC who issued mitigation guidelines on February 28th to 5 American communities (this is the same date when it was determined that there could be community spread of the virus, and not as the Chinese had been saying which was animal to human). Trump should have read every email written by every medical professional in every country, ie Red Dawn, and done the CDC' director's job!!! How is he not smart enough to do that!!!!!

Also, at the drop of the first instance of community spread, which Dr. Redfield of the CDC affirmed this morning was February 28th, Drumpf should have issued draconian fascist authoritarian orders for every man woman and child in America to halt all activities and stay home; Trump should have ignored the CDC's orders for only the five communities to begin mitigation efforts and locked down America. Trump simply is not fascist and authoritarian enough!!!

Also, Trump plays way too much golf.

Insert Howard Dean scream please.

[seacoaster]

Here are the Red Dawn emails, if anyone is interested:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... pdf#page=1

While you can't read this comment, what is the summary of these "red dawn" emails? What are some take aways that we should be worried about?

hopefully, in the Re-make of Red Dawn, Lea Thompsons' daughter can play C. Thomas Howells role.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Zoey+De ... Ujd7MzEHnM

I think Trinity posted the article from the Times, which summarized the emails. They appear to percolate out from among public health professionals and infectious disease physicians in later January and early February, debating the virus and its attributes, and almost uniformly end with "we should be getting out in front of it" -- when we (government) were not doing so.

Yup.....lots of Doctors on these emails. What would Bill Bellicheat be saying to all these DOCS, working for the US citizens...."do your job"

they didn't. blaming a reality tv low life ? this IS the end game, correct? give us a freeking break. ENUFF. Blame the medical community. I specifically blame DOC and his ilk.. ........the PROFESSIONALS. Doubt tRump ever told grips, gaffers and all the other UNION workers on his stupid show, how to do their jobs.

Why didn't the New York Times cover event 201 ? exactly

As usual, I really have no idea what you mean, and regret responding as a consequence.

[DocBarrister]

Dr. Corbett’s team is the first in the U.S. to go to clinical trials (phase I) for a novel coronavirus vaccine. If all goes well, a vaccine might arrive by early-to-mid 2021.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/sci ... n-n1181626

That’s pretty much the earliest we can realistically hope for a vaccine, although research groups around the world are trying to shorten that time period as much as possible.

There won’t be a return to the “new normal” until a safe and effective vaccine is available, it is administered to the vast majority of people who should get it, and people have time to actually develop immunity through the vaccine.

Based on what I’m reading, that is looking like the second half of 2021. Doesn’t mean we will be in full shutdown mode until then, but it does mean we will likely still be taking certain mitigation measures until that time frame. That’s only if everything goes well with vaccine development.

The economy will bounce back, but it will likely be more gradual than most folks will like. We’re in this for the long haul.

DocBarrister

P.S. Even Dr. Corbett has had to deal with racist garbage, including someone on Twitter telling her to go back to working at McDonald’s.

[6ftstick]

Horrible—11 people in Mississippi were killed yesterday by Tornadoes.

6 by coronavirus.

25 people in Tennessee killed by Tornado in one night. 101 Total pandemic deaths in two months.

[Peter Brown]

Dr. Corbett’s team is the first in the U.S. to go to clinical trials (phase I) for a novel coronavirus vaccine. If all goes well, a vaccine might arrive by early-to-mid 2021.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/sci ... n-n1181626

That’s pretty much the earliest we can realistically hope for a vaccine, although research groups around the world are trying to shorten that time period as much as possible.

There won’t be a return to the “new normal” until a safe and effective vaccine is available, it is administered to the vast majority of people who should get it, and people have time to actually develop immunity through the vaccine.

Based on what I’m reading, that is looking like the second half of 2021. Doesn’t mean we will be in full shutdown mode until then, but it does mean we will likely still be taking certain mitigation measures until that time frame. That’s only if everything goes well with vaccine development.

The economy will bounce back, but it will likely be more gradual then most folks will like. We’re in this for the long haul.

DocBarrister

P.S. Even Dr. Corbett has had to deal with racist garbage, including someone on Twitter telling her to go back to working at McDonald’s.

There are 70 coronavirus vaccines in development globally, with three candidates already being tested in human trials, The drug industry is hoping to compress the time it takes to get a vaccine to market — usually about 10 to 15 years — to within the next year.


https://time.com/5819887/coronavirus-va ... pment-who/

[DocBarrister]

Horrible—11 people in Mississippi were killed yesterday by Tornadoes.

6 by coronavirus.

25 people in Tennessee killed by Tornado in one night. 101 Total pandemic deaths in two months.

Over 1,500 confirmed deaths from coronavirus yesterday, and you have the temerity to make these comparisons? Every preventable death is tragic.

What is wrong with you?

DocBarrister

[runrussellrun]

Meat packing plants have a long history of hiring illegals. Lots and lots of low wage earners are NOT showing up for work. Can we blame them? Logic would ask, how did THEY get tested for V-19, when you and I can't get tested ? Perhaps NO ONE IS SHOWING UP for work, THAT is why they had to close the plants.


Who knew about WH companies ownership of Smithfield? They own LOTS of US food production. So strange ????


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... 72-billion

[6ftstick]

Horrible—11 people in Mississippi were killed yesterday by Tornadoes.

6 by coronavirus.

25 people in Tennessee killed by Tornado in one night. 101 Total pandemic deaths in two months.

Over 1,500 confirmed deaths from coronavirus yesterday, and you have the temerity to make these comparisons? Every preventable death is tragic.

What is wrong with you?

DocBarrister

And thats terrible.

From the CDC In 2017, an average of 7,708 deaths occurred each day. Whats wrong with you

[DocBarrister]

Horrible—11 people in Mississippi were killed yesterday by Tornadoes.

6 by coronavirus.

25 people in Tennessee killed by Tornado in one night. 101 Total pandemic deaths in two months.

Over 1,500 confirmed deaths from coronavirus yesterday, and you have the temerity to make these comparisons? Every preventable death is tragic.

What is wrong with you?

DocBarrister

And thats terrible.

From the CDC In 2017, an average of 7,708 deaths occurred each day. Whats wrong with you

That’s right ... coronavirus is adding about 20-25% to that daily death count at present. That’s not a small deal.

Please stop trying to downplay the significance of this pandemic. It is an idiotic thing to do, especially if someone actually believes you and fails to follow mitigation measures. If you convince just one person to do that, he or she could endanger 50 others.

DocBarrister

[Brooklyn]

Kramerica

It appears that California is currently doing “so well” with the Coronavirus because they had likely already gotten it from China...months before and been ravaged by it for mos unknown:

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... california

It appears the Covid 19 has been here in the US for months.

My son and a few of his lax teammates all had bouts with very nasty upper respitory illnesses from Dec-Feb. Knocking even some of the biggest, strongest, and physically strong kids on their team out for multiple weeks. All tested negative for the flu...

If the virus had been around unabated in California before anyone took precautions its casualty count would be higher than any other part of the USA.

[seacoaster]

Dr. Fauci made the mistake you cannot make in this administration:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... ronavirus/

President Trump retweeted a call to fire his top infectious disease specialist Anthony S. Fauci on Sunday evening, amid mounting criticism of the federal response to the coronavirus pandemic.

The call, with the hashtag “FireFauci” came from a former Republican congressional candidate, DeAnna Lorraine, who amassed 1.8 percent of the vote in an open primary challenge to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) this year.

It followed an interview with National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases chief Fauci on CNN’s “State of the Union, in which he said a stronger early response by the administration to the outbreak “could have saved lives,” but also characterized the decision to implement social distancing guidelines as “complicated.”

“Obviously, it would have been nice if we had a better head start, but I don’t think you could say that we are where we are right now because of one factor,” Fauci said on CNN Sunday. “It’s very complicated.”

Fauci also confirmed a New York Times story saying that he and other experts had wanted to begin social and physical distancing measures as early as February.

Trump has often in the past shown his anger with critics within his own administration by retweeting the negative or taunting comments of others, sometimes marginal others like Lorraine, rather than saying anything himself. It allows him to cry “fake news” when the media interprets the retweeted material as reflecting his views.

While he may or may not actually want to fire Fauci, he has used Twitter just to discredit the views of officials with whom he disagrees, retweeting stories and commentary from his favorite news outlets, like Fox News and more recently OANN, the One America News Network.

Fauci, known for his candor but also his diplomacy, has implicitly and explicitly taken issue with Trump on several occasions. Trump demonstrated his apparently increasing irritation last week when he stepped in to stop Fauci from answering a question about the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, an unproven drug the president has been touting for treatment of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Fauci has also been skeptical of Trump’s rush to set a date for lightening up on mitigation efforts to get the economy moving as the 2020 election approaches.

Fauci has become a major figure in America because of his prominent role in the White House’s coronavirus task force. He has appeared on television almost daily, standing beside Trump during coronavirus briefings and landing interviews on news programs and even late-night comedy shows. He has become so well-known, people have designed doughnuts, T-shirts and “fan clubs” to celebrate him.

Recent polls have shown that Americans trust Fauci much more than they trust Trump, which could rankle the president.

But any effort to hound out Fauci could also further erode public confidence in the president’s handling of the deadly pandemic.

Fauci is a career government scientist who has never been a partisan figure. First appointed to his position in 1984, Fauci has led the agency, which is part of the National Institutes of Health, under six presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan. George W. Bush said he has “absolute confidence” in Fauci and the other experts leading the way on the coronavirus outbreak. Bush awarded him the nation’s highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom. And Fauci developed a reputation as a skilled public health expert while combating the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.

DeAnna Lorraine, the Pelosi challenger who got Trump going, opined in another tweet that she has “seriously heard enough of the experts’ for now” on how to stem the novel coronavirus.

Sunday’s measured comments by Fauci, which did not mention Trump or explicitly criticize the administration and were elicited by questioning by CNN’s Jake Tapper, led a flurry of right-wing commentators to rebuke him. Some reports have indicated that the president has been calling advisers seeking their opinions on Facui’s performance in recent days.

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Sorry Fake News, it’s all on tape. I banned China long before people spoke up. Thank you @OANN https://twitter.com/deanna4congress/sta ... 8686656512 …

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@DeAnna4Congress
Fauci is now saying that had Trump listened to the medical experts earlier he could've saved more lives.

Fauci was telling people on February 29th that there was nothing to worry about and it posed no threat to the US public at large.

Time to #FireFauci...

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Some right-leaning commentators and Trump’s online base have rallied behind the president, taking shots at Fauci as their relationship has grown increasingly strained. And even as the president repeatedly slammed the mainstream media Sunday, he praised OANN.

Stuck inside the White House because of social distancing limitations, Trump spent his Easter Sunday railing against the “Fake News,” slamming publications ranging from the New York Times and even Fox News, after criticism of the federal government’s slow response to the coronavirus pandemic ramped up over the weekend.

The president attacked the journalists after a New York Times report that the Trump administration had information that could have led to social distancing precautions much earlier and blamed the president’s slow response for the scale of the virus’s spread and rising death toll.

Similar criticisms were echoed in many news reports Sunday, sparking heated retorts from Trump even for Fox News.

In an interview with Fox News’s Chris Wallace, Tom Inglesby, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, also said the U.S. would “be in a much better position” if the Trump administration had acted more quickly. That interview inspired Trump to blast the right-leaning news network and Wallace personally, calling him a “Mike Wallace wannabe,” a reference to Chris Wallace’s father, the legendary investigative broadcaster who died in 2012.

“What the hell is happening to @FoxNews,” Trump tweeted Sunday. “It’s a whole new ballgame over there!”

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Just watched Mike Wallace wannabe, Chris Wallace, on @FoxNews. I am now convinced that he is even worse than Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Meet the Press(please!), or the people over at Deface the Nation. What the hell is happening to @FoxNews. It’s a whole new ballgame over there!

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The personal attack on Wallace drew a rebuke from Jedediah Bila, a weekend co-host of one of the president’s favorite shows, “Fox & Friends.”

“Enough with the 3rd grade name-calling,” she said. “Chris is doing his job.”

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Enough with the 3rd grade name-calling. Chris is doing his job. The news should not be any president’s friend, ally, or buddy. If it bothered you when Obama complained about Fox News, but you’re silent on this complete nonsense, then just stop. Seriously. Enough. https://twitter.com/mediaite/status/1249432060600750084 …

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Trump Goes After Chris Wallace in Continued Attacks on Fox News: 'Worse Than Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd' http://mediaite.com/a/vveqg

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Here are relevant excerpts from Sunday’s Fauci interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper:

TAPPER: The New York Times reported yesterday that you and other top officials wanted to recommend social and physical distancing guidelines to President Trump as far back as the third week of February, but the administration didn’t announce such guidelines to the American public until March 16, almost a month later. Why?

FAUCI: You know, Jake, as I have said many times, we look at it from a pure health standpoint. We make a recommendation. Often, the recommendation is taken. Sometimes, it’s not. But we — it is what it is. We are where we are right now.

TAPPER: Do you think lives could have been saved if social distancing, physical distancing, stay-at-home measures had started third week of February, instead of mid-March?

FAUCI: You know, Jake, again, it’s the what would have, what could have. It’s — it’s very difficult to go back and say that. I mean, obviously, you could logically say, that if you had a process that was ongoing, and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives. Obviously, no one is going to deny that.

But what goes into those kinds of decisions is — is complicated. But you’re right. I mean, obviously, if we had, right from the very beginning, shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different."

[dislaxxic]

One of Don the Con's Rules to Live By:

"If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried."

(h/t, Steven Wright...)

..

[Typical Lax Dad]

Horrible—11 people in Mississippi were killed yesterday by Tornadoes.

6 by coronavirus.

25 people in Tennessee killed by Tornado in one night. 101 Total pandemic deaths in two months.

Over 1,500 confirmed deaths from coronavirus yesterday, and you have the temerity to make these comparisons? Every preventable death is tragic.

What is wrong with you?

DocBarrister

And thats terrible.

From the CDC In 2017, an average of 7,708 deaths occurred each day. Whats wrong with you

So pro forma, that number would be close to 10,000 due to coronavirus...so that would be an extra 60,000 a month, 180,000 a quarter, 360,000 semiannually and 720,000 a year. This assumes a continual spread and continued social distancing. Without social distancing, that number would be higher. How much higher? A factor of 2 would be a very conservative estimate. That’s how math works.

[runrussellrun]

Here are the Red Dawn emails, if anyone is interested:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... pdf#page=1

While you can't read this comment, what is the summary of these "red dawn" emails? What are some take aways that we should be worried about?

hopefully, in the Re-make of Red Dawn, Lea Thompsons' daughter can play C. Thomas Howells role.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Zoey+De ... Ujd7MzEHnM

I think Trinity posted the article from the Times, which summarized the emails. They appear to percolate out from among public health professionals and infectious disease physicians in later January and early February, debating the virus and its attributes, and almost uniformly end with "we should be getting out in front of it" -- when we (government) were not doing so.

Not one of the professionals cared enough, to "do no harm", b/c the government were not doing so? aren't they PART of the government? exactly

I blame the medical community. DOCbarrister didn't say a word about v-19. Thread didn't start until Jan. 29th. But, blame a low level tv reality show guy.......um, ok.

So, the end game is the same ole, same ole, the DOCS knew, but were helpless to go on CNN or morning Joe? Blame tRump?
Producers just wouldn't take the call?

Obvious what this IS all about.

Why does a PRIVATE , foreign,company own so much of the US's meat production? Who approved of a CHINESE company to purchase Smithfield foods? No one cares.