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July 9 D brief from Defense One :
The fate of Afghanistan is up to the Afghan people, President Joe Biden said repeatedly Thursday, as American troops continued their withdrawal and Taliban forces swept through the country. "It's up to the people of Afghanistan to decide on what government they want, not us to impose the government on them," he said during an address at the White House, Defense One's Jacqueline Felscher reports.

Biden also rejected calls that the U.S. military drawdown should slow or stop because security in Afghanistan is degrading so fast. He said it is "not inevitable" that Afghanistan will fall to the Taliban, citing the 300,000 trained members of the Afghan National Security and Defense Forces and their ability to defend against an estimated 75,000 Taliban fighters.

But he also said it is "highly unlikely" that the country will have one unified government, and that it's not America's job to ensure that happens."
For what it's worth: This week we learned "77% of Americans said they approved of the U.S. removing its troops from Afghanistan," which CBS News reported Thursday "was majority approval across the political spectrum." (That's from a survey conducted in April.)

SecDef Lloyd Austin called up his Turkish counterpart for the second time in two days, the Pentagon announced Thursday evening, saying the two "continue[d] discussions over the ongoing drawdown in Afghanistan" and "agreed to stay engaged with respect to arrangements at the Hamid Karzai International Airport."

A Taliban delegation traveled to Russia on Thursday to say the group controls 85% of Afghanistan, and that it would try hard to keep ISIS and other terrorist groups out, Reuters reports from Moscow.

The Pentagon insists the U.S. isn't abandoning the Afghan Air Force. "It's not like we're clapping our hands and walking away," spokesman John Kirby said Thursday. "We're going to continue to work on improving their Air Force. The [Defense] Secretary just recently agreed to help them to deliver two—this month—UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters, with another 35 to come. We're going to help manage an overhaul process for some of their MI-17 helicopters. And we are going to purchase another three Super Tucano … A-29 aircraft. So we're committed in very tangible ways to improving their Air Force capabilities."

The Taliban have allegedly assassinated at least seven Afghan Air Force pilots over the past several months, according to a special report this week from Reuters. And this is especially concerning because it seems to "illustrate what U.S. and Afghan officials believe is a deliberate Taliban effort to destroy one of Afghanistan's most valuable military assets: its corps of U.S.- and NATO-trained military pilots," Reuters writes. "In so doing, the Taliban—who have no air force—are looking to level the playing field as they press major ground offensives."

The Taliban say they are indeed behind the killings, with a spokesman telling Reuters the pilots were "targeted and eliminated because all of them do bombardment against their people." Read on, here.

The Taliban are killing government workers across the country, too, which is "part of the Taliban's broader strategy of trying to rebrand themselves as capable governors while they press a ruthless, land-grabbing offensive," the New York Times reported Tuesday.

Meanwhile next door, "panic is spreading through Pakistan's halls of power," the Wall Street Journal reports from Islamabad, where "After years of publicly railing against American strategy in Afghanistan and saying there is no military solution, Pakistani officials now complain that the U.S. exited Afghanistan too quickly."

Like the U.S. in Afghanistan, the French military has a drawdown dilemma of its own in the African Sahel, the Associated Press reported Thursday from Mali.

Background: "In June, French President Emmanuel Macron announced the end of Operation Barkhane, France's seven-year effort fighting extremists linked to al-Qaida and the Islamic State in Africa's Sahel region. France's more than 5,000 troops will be reduced in the coming months, although no timeframe has been given. Instead, France will participate in a special forces unit with other European countries and African countries will be responsible for patrolling the Sahel."

BTW: France's Defense Minister Florence Parly dropped by the Pentagon this morning to meet with SecDef Austin.
If it becomes necessary, we need to have a plan to evacuate the Afghan Air Force pilots, flight crews, maintainers, their families & aircraft.
I'd delay sending any more H-60's & A-29's until we see if the govt will hold on & for how long.
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Remember how the republican base was all for ending stupid wars. Well not so much anymore. :lol: Dems and Independents support the plan to leave Afghanistan by margins of at least 2.8 to 1. Republicans by less than 1 to 1. Can't imagine why they changed their minds.
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I can see how to do it technically (given today's computers) but it will be a real problem maintaining the systems. DOD will have to invest heavily in mapping the earths magnetic fields on a global grid. Earths magnetic field is in a period of pretty rapid change.
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Maybe quantum entanglement is up and running and coupled with magnetic metrics we are good to go. 8-)
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jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:55 pm I can see how to do it technically (given today's computers) but it will be a real problem maintaining the systems. DOD will have to invest heavily in mapping the earths magnetic fields on a global grid. Earths magnetic field is in a period of pretty rapid change.
The magnetic mapping is already being done.
By aircraft until 1994, then by satellite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Magnet_(USN)
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180962612/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0180901120
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old salt wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:53 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:55 pm I can see how to do it technically (given today's computers) but it will be a real problem maintaining the systems. DOD will have to invest heavily in mapping the earths magnetic fields on a global grid. Earths magnetic field is in a period of pretty rapid change.
The magnetic mapping is already being done.
By aircraft until 1994, then by satellite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Magnet_(USN)
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180962612/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0180901120
... problem is, you have to be doing it regularly because the field is changing pretty quickly. Whatever they did in 1994 is pretty useless today. Not saying it can't be done, just it is currently more difficult than it was say 50 years ago, because of rate of change of the field. I assume they want to approach GPS precision as best they can. If all you are trying to do is get to within some number of miles from your destination and the human does the rest, 27 year old data might be good enough. You have to believe the goal is to be able to deliver some munitions as well. 1994 is not going to be good enough. Probably should be mapping at least once a year, more frequently would be better.

I didn't read your reference, but I would guess doing a whole globe map would take best case a year. Satellites probably improve that but if the enemy is knocking out satellites ....? Of course you can identify a region of interest and only map that region, which could be done more quickly.

Not knocking the system, just pointing out the obvious problems.
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youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:30 pm Maybe quantum entanglement is up and running and coupled with magnetic metrics we are good to go. 8-)
... ahhhh, yea right. :lol:
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jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:33 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:53 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:55 pm I can see how to do it technically (given today's computers) but it will be a real problem maintaining the systems. DOD will have to invest heavily in mapping the earths magnetic fields on a global grid. Earths magnetic field is in a period of pretty rapid change.
The magnetic mapping is already being done.
By aircraft until 1994, then by satellite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Magnet_(USN)
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180962612/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0180901120
... problem is, you have to be doing it regularly because the field is changing pretty quickly. Whatever they did in 1994 is pretty useless today. Not saying it can't be done, just it is currently more difficult than it was say 50 years ago, because of rate of change of the field. I assume they want to approach GPS precision as best they can. If all you are trying to do is get to within some number of miles from your destination and the human does the rest, 27 year old data might be good enough. You have to believe the goal is to be able to deliver some munitions as well. 1994 is not going to be good enough. Probably should be mapping at least once a year, more frequently would be better.

I didn't read your reference, but I would guess doing a whole globe map would take best case a year. Satellites probably improve that but if the enemy is knocking out satellites ....? Of course you can identify a region of interest and only map that region, which could be done more quickly.

Not knocking the system, just pointing out the obvious problems.
I didn't say they were still using 1994 data. I pointed out that the constant global mapping had to be done by aircraft until 1994 when it became practical to do it via satellite.
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old salt wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:09 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:33 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:53 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:55 pm I can see how to do it technically (given today's computers) but it will be a real problem maintaining the systems. DOD will have to invest heavily in mapping the earths magnetic fields on a global grid. Earths magnetic field is in a period of pretty rapid change.
The magnetic mapping is already being done.
By aircraft until 1994, then by satellite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Magnet_(USN)
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180962612/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0180901120
... problem is, you have to be doing it regularly because the field is changing pretty quickly. Whatever they did in 1994 is pretty useless today. Not saying it can't be done, just it is currently more difficult than it was say 50 years ago, because of rate of change of the field. I assume they want to approach GPS precision as best they can. If all you are trying to do is get to within some number of miles from your destination and the human does the rest, 27 year old data might be good enough. You have to believe the goal is to be able to deliver some munitions as well. 1994 is not going to be good enough. Probably should be mapping at least once a year, more frequently would be better.

I didn't read your reference, but I would guess doing a whole globe map would take best case a year. Satellites probably improve that but if the enemy is knocking out satellites ....? Of course you can identify a region of interest and only map that region, which could be done more quickly.

Not knocking the system, just pointing out the obvious problems.
I didn't say they were still using 1994 data. I pointed out that the constant global mapping had to be done by aircraft until 1994 when it became practical to do it via satellite.
... I understood your point.
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Flooding in Germany. They're used to flooding along the Mosele River (my favorite area in Europe) but seldom this bad.
Our forces are still there to pitch in.
https://apnews.com/article/europe-envir ... 9e3df07874
The 52nd Civil Engineer squadron and several volunteers from the U.S. air base at Spangdahlem filled and distributed hundreds of sandbags to help protect homes and businesses in the area, the U.S. European Command said.
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This certainly has chaos written all over it. LOBBYING
Huawei hiring former Democratic super lobbyist Tony Podesta

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There's a search under way for a location to stash our Afghan interpreters & their families until processed for their US visas.

This is a 2008 image of the massive US Army hospital at Landstuhl Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landstuhl ... (2008).jpg
Note the numerous wings, most of which were empty. It was constructed to treat NATO mass casualties if the Cold Wat went hot.
It treated & forwarded thousands of patients in our post 9-11 wars.
It's adjacent to Ramstein Air Base, a frequent stopover for flights to the US.
Afghan interpreters also served with German forces in Afghanistan.
This would seem like a good return on our investment, justifying US force presence in Germany.
Hopefully, the facility has not been downsized yet.
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I wrote a letter tonight about the rising radicalism of the Republican Party. But then, sorting through the dark chaos of today’s news, I found myself thinking instead about the Battle of Mobile Bay, which happened on this date in 1864.

By the spring of 1864, victory in the Civil War depended on which side could endure longest. Confederates were starving as they mourned their many dead; Union supporters were tired of losing sons to battles that seemed to accomplish nothing. President Abraham Lincoln knew he must land a crushing blow on the South or lose the upcoming presidential election. If he lost, the best Americans could hope for was a negotiated peace that tore the nation in two. In March 1864, Lincoln appointed Ulysses S. Grant commander-in-chief of all the Union armies, hoping that this stubborn westerner could win the war.

Grant set out to press the Confederacy on all fronts. In the past, the Union armies had acted independently, permitting Confederates to move troops to the places they were most needed. Grant immediately coordinated all the Union armies to move against the South at once.

In the East, the Army of the Potomac would hit Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia. In Georgia, William T. Sherman’s western troops would smash their way from Tennessee to Atlanta. Finally, Grant wanted the U.S. Navy to move against Mobile, Alabama, a port on the Gulf Coast so well protected by shifting sands that it had become the major harbor for the blockade runners that still linked the Confederacy to Europe. Grant hoped this strategy would lock the South in a vise.

By midsummer, the plan had faltered. The Army of the Potomac had stalled in Virginia after an appalling 17,000 casualties at the Battle of the Wilderness, 18,000 at Spotsylvania, and another 12,000 at Cold Harbor, where soldiers pinned their names and addresses to the backs of their uniforms before the battle so their bodies could be identified. Sherman was stopped outside Atlanta. And the navy had run aground up the Red River in Louisiana as it made a feint in that direction before the move against Mobile Bay. Union morale was so low that even President Lincoln thought he would lose the election and the war would end in an armistice.

By late summer, the pressure was on Admiral David G. Farragut to deliver a victory in Mobile Bay. After weeks of waiting for reinforcements, on the morning of August 5, Farragut ordered the captains of the fourteen wooden ships and four ironclads under his command to “strip your vessels and prepare for the conflict.” At 5:40 a.m., with the wooden ships lashed together in pairs and the ironclads protecting them, the vessels set out in a line to pass the three forts and four warships that guarded the harbor above water, and the minefield that guarded all but a 500-yard channel below. The admiral’s flagship, the Hartford, was in the second pair in line, behind the Brooklyn and its partner.

As the ships proceeded under heavy fire, going slowly to stay behind the lumbering ironclads, the foremost ironclad hit a torpedo, turned over, and sank instantly, taking all hands with it. Aware he was on the edge of the minefield, the commander of the Brooklyn hung back, throwing the whole line into confusion under the pummeling of the land batteries. Farragut ordered the captain of the Hartford to take over the lead. As the Hartford passed the stalled Brooklyn, the Brooklyn’s captain warned that they were “running into a nest of torpedoes.”

“Damn the torpedoes!” Farragut allegedly shot back. “Full speed ahead!”

By 10:00 a.m., the U.S. Navy had taken Mobile Bay, cutting off all Confederate contact with Europe. It was the victory the Union needed, and others followed in its wake: Atlanta fell on September 2, and the Army of the Potomac began to gain ground in Virginia. Finally able to believe that victory was near, voters rallied behind Lincoln’s determination to win the war and backed his administration in November. They gave him 55% of the popular vote and gave the Republicans supermajorities in both the House and the Senate.

Damn the torpedoes, indeed.
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old salt wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:22 am The fate of Afghanistan is up to the Afghan people, President Joe Biden said repeatedly Thursday, as American troops continued their withdrawal and Taliban forces swept through the country. "It's up to the people of Afghanistan to decide on what government they want, not us to impose the government on them,"

Biden also rejected calls that the U.S. military drawdown should slow or stop because security in Afghanistan is degrading so fast. He said it is "not inevitable" that Afghanistan will fall to the Taliban, citing the 300,000 trained members of the Afghan National Security and Defense Forces and their ability to defend against an estimated 75,000 Taliban fighters.

But he also said it is "highly unlikely" that the country will have one unified government, and that it's not America's job to ensure that happens."


A Taliban delegation traveled to Russia on Thursday to say the group controls 85% of Afghanistan, and that it would try hard to keep ISIS and other terrorist groups out, Reuters reports from Moscow.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ta ... d=msedgntp


Contrary to all the right wing propaganda and mythic beliefs, the Taliban represent the majority of Afghanistani people. This is why it is reemerging and returning to its rightful place as the leadership of that country.

As President Biden said, the USA has no right to march into that country and to dictate what government it should have. Only imperialists feel that someone has a right to invade, conquer, and dictate leadership. This is the type of thinking that got us into that needless war that cost us a trillion dollars which Republicans refuse to pay for.

Note how the Taliban has its own conflict with ISIS. All too often, far right delusionals seem to confuse the two.

Bottom line is that Taliban represent Afghanistan's majority. This is why they will win the war, one started by traitor Bush.
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India joins the Quad battle group at sea.

https://today.rtl.lu/dossier/olympic-ga ... 66399.html

from Fri's D1 brief :
...this new carrier will be India's second after the Russian-made INS Vikramaditya, which New Delhi bought from Moscow 17 years ago.

One reason this matters: "China, vying for influence in the Indian Ocean where New Delhi has traditionally held sway, is currently building its third aircraft carrier," AFP writes. And on that influence note, AFP continues, "The Indian Navy said separately on Monday that it was sending a task force of four ships to South East Asia, the South China Sea and Western Pacific for two months of exercises including with Vietnam, the Philippines, Indonesia, Japan, Australia and the United States."

Also: :!: Palau's president is dropping by the Pentagon today to meet with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin. President Surangel Whipps Jr. will be met with an honor cordon ceremony at about 1:30 p.m. ET.
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