Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon May 03, 2021 2:57 pm
I really hope he hangs around as well. This years version is the Connor I had been hoping to see at Homewood ever since I saw his Youtube recruiting highlight tape like 6 years ago.
I really hope he hangs around as well. This years version is the Connor I had been hoping to see at Homewood ever since I saw his Youtube recruiting highlight tape like 6 years ago.
Also didn't help that he had to play out of position his freshman year and had Marr as the primary lefty for his first 3 years.jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:37 pmPerry Year 1: 14 G, 4 A, 18 points, 28 GB, 32% shooter, 1.1 PPGrandom observer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 1:34 pmPerry was a 20+ goal, 30+ point guy from the midfield even before Gray got there. He mostly delivered from day one. Williams did better than Willetts & Manown for sure, but the guys above him became stars, and there are a number of attack men behind him in the top 25 and top 50 that became all-time greats; Kraus, Morrill, Tierney, O'Keefe to name a few. This is all to say Cole has been a victim of being a decent player in an absolutely loaded class, which is somewhat out of his control. I thought #6 was too high a rating at the time, and it's borne out to be true. But he's been a solid player when judged on his own merits, and certainly not a "miss" like a lot of other highly touted guys have been over the years.jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:55 pmHe was never an AA guy and thus if you consider his HS ranking of #6 you’d consider him a disappointment. But look at the 3 names behind him. Joey Manown, William Perry, Brian Willetts. He’s better than Manown was. Perry is an All-American this year but UNC fans were saying similar things about him and some of their other guys as you guys do about Williams before Chris Gray arrived on campus. Willetts...don’t think he ever amounted to much more than a serviceable body. Of course, #10 that year was Michael Sowers but not everyone is Michael Sowers. You look at the Top 20 that year and there’s a lot of Duke guys who wound up being just okay. It was a year with 3 perennial All-American guys (Teat, Bernhardt, Sowers) but then a lot of good players and Williams was at the top end of that groupflalax22 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:40 amThis is exactly why the Jays have a shot here. Goaltending appears to have stabilized and they have a face-off tandem with Narewski and Dunn who can hang with anyone.Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:05 amIf Marcille can save ~55% and Narewsky can win ~60% of the draws, the Jays have a chance.
The postseason is mostly about face-offs and goaltending.
Unlike Penn State though, there's no one guy like OKeefe that you can shut down and curtail their offense.
The Jays will have to play some serious team defense to pull off the upset. Let's hope Rutgers comes in overconfident...
As for Cole, short of leading the Jays to the NCAA tournament I believe he is symbolic of what has been wrong with the program the last decade. Extremely talented player but has he really developed into what we thought he would be? I don’t remember his IL ranking but it was up there, All American in High School, MVP of the UA AA game. So many predicted he was the second coming of Terry O’Riordan. Too often inconsistent play, too often he hangs onto the ball far too long. When he plays like last weekend I just wonder what prevents him for putting that out every game or more often. It’s not like he’s drawing the top defender game in and game out.
Williams Year 1: 6 G, 4 A, 10 points, 19% shooter, 0.6 PPG
Perry Year 2: 22 G, 9 A, 31 points, 17 GB, 26% shooter, 2.2 PPG
Williams Year 2: 35 G, 14 assists, 49 points, 19 GB 27% shooter, 2.9 PPG
Perry Year 3: 26 G, 6 A, 32 points, 13 GB, 27% shooter, 2.1 PPG
Williams Year 3: 27 G, 19 A, 46 points, 23 GB, 26% shooter, 2.9 PPG
Perry Year 4: 8 G, 4 A, 12 points, 3 GB, 23.5% shooter, 1.7 PPG
Williams Year 4: 11 G, 6 A, 17 points, 14 GB, 25% shooter, 2.8 PPG
Perry Year 5: 25 G, 9 A, 34 points, 10 GB, 41% shooter, 2.8 PPG
Williams Year 5: 22 G, 10 A, 32 points, 10 GB 39% shooter, 2.9 PPG
Obviously Williams has a bump in PPG from being an attackmen compared to Perry as a midfielder; but I think the #'s bear out they were both good players at their positions relative to the country for most of their careers until this year when Perry jumps 14% in sh% from his previous best and 0.6 in PPG from previous career best. Playing on the best offense in the country.
I don't know if I'd call Kraus, Morrill, and especially Tierney "all-time greats." Kraus was elite and Morrill's been very good, but Kraus also played with Matt Moore and Ryan Conrad and Dox Aitken. Morrill played with Ben Reeves for a couple of years. Williams didn't have that talent around him for most of his Hopkins career
That’s absolutely possible. I’m saying I’ve seen these “great” performances out of Cole periodically and then he disappears for a few games. I’m hopeful he dominates the next two and puts the Jays in the tourney.
Folks keep saying that, and the optimism is great.HappyHourLax wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:38 pm - Goalie problem seems to be solved. That was one of the best performances I’ve seen by a Blue Jay goalie in quite some time. Looked calm, composed and confident in net. 67% save percentage is one of the highest they have seen in a significant game in quite some time.
The Perry and Williams comparison should begin and end with your caveat that Williams was playing attack; a 30-35 point midfielder is IMO considerably more valuable than a 45-50 pt attack man. And Perry was putting up those numbers on a team that was getting nothing out of its attack unit; he very nearly led the Heels in points in 2019.jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:37 pmPerry Year 1: 14 G, 4 A, 18 points, 28 GB, 32% shooter, 1.1 PPGrandom observer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 1:34 pmPerry was a 20+ goal, 30+ point guy from the midfield even before Gray got there. He mostly delivered from day one. Williams did better than Willetts & Manown for sure, but the guys above him became stars, and there are a number of attack men behind him in the top 25 and top 50 that became all-time greats; Kraus, Morrill, Tierney, O'Keefe to name a few. This is all to say Cole has been a victim of being a decent player in an absolutely loaded class, which is somewhat out of his control. I thought #6 was too high a rating at the time, and it's borne out to be true. But he's been a solid player when judged on his own merits, and certainly not a "miss" like a lot of other highly touted guys have been over the years.jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:55 pmHe was never an AA guy and thus if you consider his HS ranking of #6 you’d consider him a disappointment. But look at the 3 names behind him. Joey Manown, William Perry, Brian Willetts. He’s better than Manown was. Perry is an All-American this year but UNC fans were saying similar things about him and some of their other guys as you guys do about Williams before Chris Gray arrived on campus. Willetts...don’t think he ever amounted to much more than a serviceable body. Of course, #10 that year was Michael Sowers but not everyone is Michael Sowers. You look at the Top 20 that year and there’s a lot of Duke guys who wound up being just okay. It was a year with 3 perennial All-American guys (Teat, Bernhardt, Sowers) but then a lot of good players and Williams was at the top end of that groupflalax22 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:40 amThis is exactly why the Jays have a shot here. Goaltending appears to have stabilized and they have a face-off tandem with Narewski and Dunn who can hang with anyone.Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:05 amIf Marcille can save ~55% and Narewsky can win ~60% of the draws, the Jays have a chance.
The postseason is mostly about face-offs and goaltending.
Unlike Penn State though, there's no one guy like OKeefe that you can shut down and curtail their offense.
The Jays will have to play some serious team defense to pull off the upset. Let's hope Rutgers comes in overconfident...
As for Cole, short of leading the Jays to the NCAA tournament I believe he is symbolic of what has been wrong with the program the last decade. Extremely talented player but has he really developed into what we thought he would be? I don’t remember his IL ranking but it was up there, All American in High School, MVP of the UA AA game. So many predicted he was the second coming of Terry O’Riordan. Too often inconsistent play, too often he hangs onto the ball far too long. When he plays like last weekend I just wonder what prevents him for putting that out every game or more often. It’s not like he’s drawing the top defender game in and game out.
Williams Year 1: 6 G, 4 A, 10 points, 19% shooter, 0.6 PPG
Perry Year 2: 22 G, 9 A, 31 points, 17 GB, 26% shooter, 2.2 PPG
Williams Year 2: 35 G, 14 assists, 49 points, 19 GB 27% shooter, 2.9 PPG
Perry Year 3: 26 G, 6 A, 32 points, 13 GB, 27% shooter, 2.1 PPG
Williams Year 3: 27 G, 19 A, 46 points, 23 GB, 26% shooter, 2.9 PPG
Perry Year 4: 8 G, 4 A, 12 points, 3 GB, 23.5% shooter, 1.7 PPG
Williams Year 4: 11 G, 6 A, 17 points, 14 GB, 25% shooter, 2.8 PPG
Perry Year 5: 25 G, 9 A, 34 points, 10 GB, 41% shooter, 2.8 PPG
Williams Year 5: 22 G, 10 A, 32 points, 10 GB 39% shooter, 2.9 PPG
Obviously Williams has a bump in PPG from being an attackmen compared to Perry as a midfielder; but I think the #'s bear out they were both good players at their positions relative to the country for most of their careers until this year when Perry jumps 14% in sh% from his previous best and 0.6 in PPG from previous career best. Playing on the best offense in the country.
I don't know if I'd call Kraus, Morrill, and especially Tierney "all-time greats." Kraus was elite and Morrill's been very good, but Kraus also played with Matt Moore and Ryan Conrad and Dox Aitken. Morrill played with Ben Reeves for a couple of years. Williams didn't have that talent around him for most of his Hopkins career
Really enjoyed watching this past game, and #10 in goal! I don't think anyone is saying he's the next best goalie in college lacrosse, just that he's putting up the performances needed and somewhat expected. 67% against any team is good! And I think the point is, JHU received a 45% performance in their previous loss to Penn State and a combined 38% in the loss to Michigan. Even with his below 50% effort against Maryland, I remember at the end of the first quarter he came up with 3 really strong saves that kept it a 4 goal difference instead of a 7, in addition to a number of other key saves during that game.a fan wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:50 pmFolks keep saying that, and the optimism is great.HappyHourLax wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:38 pm - Goalie problem seems to be solved. That was one of the best performances I’ve seen by a Blue Jay goalie in quite some time. Looked calm, composed and confident in net. 67% save percentage is one of the highest they have seen in a significant game in quite some time.
But Penn St. averages around 10 goals a game, which puts them as the #42 offense in the nation. Both the Rutgers goalie (twice) and the UMd goalie (twice) was 60%+ save percentage against PSU shooters.
Maybe wait until they play a couple of top offenses before setting unrealistic expectations......
Just a thought. Rutgers will help tell the story. I hope he goes 60%+ on them, too.
First, the UMD goalie is playing behind the UMD defense, so you expect more of the shots he faces to be saveable.a fan wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:50 pmFolks keep saying that, and the optimism is great.HappyHourLax wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:38 pm - Goalie problem seems to be solved. That was one of the best performances I’ve seen by a Blue Jay goalie in quite some time. Looked calm, composed and confident in net. 67% save percentage is one of the highest they have seen in a significant game in quite some time.
But Penn St. averages around 10 goals a game, which puts them as the #42 offense in the nation. Both the Rutgers goalie (twice) and the UMd goalie (twice) was 60%+ save percentage against PSU shooters.
Maybe wait until they play a couple of top offenses before setting unrealistic expectations......
Just a thought. Rutgers will help tell the story. I hope he goes 60%+ on them, too.
I agree on both points. I'm simply saying, maybe wait and see how he does against tougher competition before loading the kid up with expectations.44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:05 pm First, the UMD goalie is playing behind the UMD defense, so you expect more of the shots he faces to be saveable.
But if the Jays can equal Kirst in goal on Thursday night, that goes a long way towards evening the contest.
That was a big change and it flipped the narrative of the season from a downward slope to an upward one in the last few games.steel_hop wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 8:55 am The team did a lot of good things on Saturday. They should be congratulated on fighting through. They could have easily folded up a few weeks ago. Also congrats to Millman to seeing some changes needed to be made (particularly at goalie).
We are on to Rutgers!
I wouldn't put it at 50/50 (Rutgers is definitely the better and more "experienced" team this year), but it also wouldn't be completely unepected for Hop to win. Both of the previous 2 games were competitive, with GK being the big difference in both. If Hop gets good GK and limits turnovers, they could win.