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jhu06 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:27 am

coda wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:48 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:37 am

coda wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:13 am
I know it is true. Heard it from Hopkins and Cuse players. He covets tall defensemen. He has coached for 30+ years, so it wont be hard to find some exceptions. Nobody said it was indefensible, people just tend to want to take any statement on the internet and make it an argument.

I think after the success of Navy teams in the 60's, Chic and Scott concluded you needed bigger players to win. So you had a lot of size on defense and midfields like the 78-80 teams, and again in the mid 80's with Petro, Dressel, Kru, Mitchell etc. You had some smaller players like DeTo, who was about ~6', probably would have played football at Penn State if he'd gotten much bigger though. Smaller players saw the field, but the superstars were usually bigger players. Lacrosse is definitely less size determinative than football or basketball, but size can't be discounted in the sport for most roles. It would be nice to see superstars again, whatever size or shape they come in.

I think it is positional. Early in this thread I talked about some recruits and said better players, than recruits. I think when it comes to defense and middies, you want "physical specimens" (in lacrosse terms). That is the preference and most likely path to success. Like all things recruiting related that holds true in the aggregate, but not at the individual level. I think attack is a bit different, much more variety there.

There were games with the 2010-2013 Durkin crew where the size on tv really really stood out. There was one game-maybe Ranagan against umbc where he just bull dodged a umbc ssdm or middie and his shoulder broke the kids stick in half. Size is nice but too many of Petro's later defensemen like kelly/enright struggled mightily in particular against the sankey/bitter 2 man game.

Don't know what happened to the inflatable Pierce Bassett Blue Jay they had at homecoming 15 years ago but loved that.

I would argue 3 of the most important moments/players of the Petro era-Benson Erwin/Jake Byrne/Schwartzmann were under 6'0.

HF16 mentioned there are some quality ssdms coming in/already on the roster who were recruited as freshmen. We saw Kilrain supplant Stuebner so it's not like the UMBC kid is sharpied into anything.

Benson Erwin listed at 6'1" 200
Bryne 5'11 and 195 at attack
Schwartzmann listed 6'1 220.

not single one of them would be considered small at the time.

coda wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:38 am

jhu06 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:27 am

coda wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:48 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:37 am

coda wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:13 am
I know it is true. Heard it from Hopkins and Cuse players. He covets tall defensemen. He has coached for 30+ years, so it wont be hard to find some exceptions. Nobody said it was indefensible, people just tend to want to take any statement on the internet and make it an argument.

I think after the success of Navy teams in the 60's, Chic and Scott concluded you needed bigger players to win. So you had a lot of size on defense and midfields like the 78-80 teams, and again in the mid 80's with Petro, Dressel, Kru, Mitchell etc. You had some smaller players like DeTo, who was about ~6', probably would have played football at Penn State if he'd gotten much bigger though. Smaller players saw the field, but the superstars were usually bigger players. Lacrosse is definitely less size determinative than football or basketball, but size can't be discounted in the sport for most roles. It would be nice to see superstars again, whatever size or shape they come in.

I think it is positional. Early in this thread I talked about some recruits and said better players, than recruits. I think when it comes to defense and middies, you want "physical specimens" (in lacrosse terms). That is the preference and most likely path to success. Like all things recruiting related that holds true in the aggregate, but not at the individual level. I think attack is a bit different, much more variety there.

There were games with the 2010-2013 Durkin crew where the size on tv really really stood out. There was one game-maybe Ranagan against umbc where he just bull dodged a umbc ssdm or middie and his shoulder broke the kids stick in half. Size is nice but too many of Petro's later defensemen like kelly/enright struggled mightily in particular against the sankey/bitter 2 man game.

Don't know what happened to the inflatable Pierce Bassett Blue Jay they had at homecoming 15 years ago but loved that.

I would argue 3 of the most important moments/players of the Petro era-Benson Erwin/Jake Byrne/Schwartzmann were under 6'0.

HF16 mentioned there are some quality ssdms coming in/already on the roster who were recruited as freshmen. We saw Kilrain supplant Stuebner so it's not like the UMBC kid is sharpied into anything.

Benson Erwin listed at 6'1" 200
Bryne 5'11 and 195 at attack
Schwartzmann listed 6'1 220.

not single one of them would be considered small at the time.

Even now. Benson took up boxing to improve his footwork. Tough kid. I believe he went to work for the Secret Service sfter graduation. Might be wrong. His mom and the Harrisons sat in the seats in front of us for 4 years. For four years when Benson was clearing his mother would yell out to pass the ball. In the VA playoff game in 2005 Benson is clearing the ball in OT and his mom is yelling out “Shoot Benson Shoot” He scores. He and Kyle were the best defensive middies i have seen when they were on D on the field together.

Size of players seems to be a visual issue with a couple of fans.

> Schwartzmann listed 6'1 220.

He looked bigger than 220 to me. But I never complained Memorial Day Weekend.

Congratulations to Coach John Grant Jr. for being named HC at Division II Lees-McRae College.

https://lmcbobcats.com/news/2024/6/25/l ... ogram.aspx

DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:05 pm Congratulations to Coach John Grant Jr. for being named HC at Division II Lees-McRae College.

https://lmcbobcats.com/news/2024/6/25/l ... ogram.aspx

DocBarrister

Tough gig. From 2020 through 2024, Lees-McRae College was 8-51 in men’s lacrosse.



DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:16 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:05 pm Congratulations to Coach John Grant Jr. for being named HC at Division II Lees-McRae College.

https://lmcbobcats.com/news/2024/6/25/l ... ogram.aspx

DocBarrister

Tough gig. From 2020 through 2024, Lees-McRae College was 8-51 in men’s lacrosse.



DocBarrister

quoting you quoting yourself so a number of hop posters can see the news.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:09 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:16 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:05 pm Congratulations to Coach John Grant Jr. for being named HC at Division II Lees-McRae College.

https://lmcbobcats.com/news/2024/6/25/l ... ogram.aspx

DocBarrister

Tough gig. From 2020 through 2024, Lees-McRae College was 8-51 in men’s lacrosse.



DocBarrister

quoting you quoting yourself so a number of hop posters can see the news.

They’re missing out on an education.

DocBarrister

Seems like a lot of the previous posts are missing for me.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:05 pm Congratulations to Coach John Grant Jr. for being named HC at Division II Lees-McRae College.

https://lmcbobcats.com/news/2024/6/25/l ... ogram.aspx

DocBarrister

Quint interviewed a guy from a college out in Missouri last summer that I think was making the leap to d1, then the school disbanded the program I think. THAT had to be the toughest year in college lacrosse coaching.

3 current and future Blue Jays among 77 trying out for Nadelen’s U20 team. All long sticks: Kilrain, Eye and Kaestner.

Hopfan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:53 pm 3 current and future Blue Jays among 77 trying out for Nadelen’s U20 team. All long sticks: Kilrain, Eye and Kaestner.

Like Q's chances.

coda wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:30 pm

Hopfan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:53 pm 3 current and future Blue Jays among 77 trying out for Nadelen’s U20 team. All long sticks: Kilrain, Eye and Kaestner.

Like Q's chances.

No offense. Because we now have our 4th offensive coordinator in 6 years?

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:35 pm

coda wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:30 pm

Hopfan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:53 pm 3 current and future Blue Jays among 77 trying out for Nadelen’s U20 team. All long sticks: Kilrain, Eye and Kaestner.

Like Q's chances.

No offense. Because we now have our 4th offensive coordinator in 6 years?

??? Just saying a like Kilrain's chances to make that team.

Parents are becoming a problem.

https://laxallstars.com/stick-tricks-th ... e-culture/

LaxAllStars wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:48 pm Parents are becoming a problem.

https://laxallstars.com/stick-tricks-th ... e-culture/

Your shameless promotion of garbage content that has nothing to do with Hopkins lacrosse is becoming a problem.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:03 pm

LaxAllStars wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:48 pm Parents are becoming a problem.

https://laxallstars.com/stick-tricks-th ... e-culture/

Your shameless promotion of garbage content that has nothing to do with Hopkins lacrosse is becoming a problem.

That piece was written by Quint Kessenich.

DocBarrister

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:03 pm

LaxAllStars wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:48 pm Parents are becoming a problem.

https://laxallstars.com/stick-tricks-th ... e-culture/

Your shameless promotion of garbage content that has nothing to do with Hopkins lacrosse is becoming a problem.

wish i had seen quint wrote it before i read it, could've done it in his voice in my head.

coda wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:38 pm

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:35 pm

coda wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:30 pm

Hopfan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:53 pm 3 current and future Blue Jays among 77 trying out for Nadelen’s U20 team. All long sticks: Kilrain, Eye and Kaestner.

Like Q's chances.

No offense. Because we now have our 4th offensive coordinator in 6 years?

??? Just saying a like Kilrain's chances to make that team.

I love your posts. I was just commenting there are no Hopkins offensive side of the ball players. Probably because we're now on our 4th offensive coordinator in 6 years.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:03 pm

LaxAllStars wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:48 pm Parents are becoming a problem.

https://laxallstars.com/stick-tricks-th ... e-culture/

Your shameless promotion of garbage content that has nothing to do with Hopkins lacrosse is becoming a problem.

He left off message board commenters (and administrators). Guess he likes our forum!

While I am not going so far as to say the article was garbage content - I do have the following thoughts:
- Parents are not becoming a problem - they have been a problem for a while
- The article has nothing to do with Hopkins lacrosse so should not really have been posted here - utterly fine topic for discussion as the summer recruitment calendar is well underway but does not apply here
- The article's title implies these behaviors are somehow unique or more relevant to lacrosse - aside from some actions that may be halfway unique to lacrosse (e.g. glove palms up to a goalie) virtually all of these behaviors cited are applicable to a wide range of sports and because of the potential money involved often way worse - you want to see the true nature of the beast - get yourself to an AAU basketball tournament
- It's only going to get worse - parents were fistfighting at one time just theoretically to get scholarship money - now NIL money is possibly at stake - after what Olivia Dunne made - girls gymnastic meets probably resemble the hunger games - high school quarterbacks are making more than their parents etc..