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Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:08 am
by Kismet
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:58 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:56 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:50 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:51 am JDouchebag Vance asserts on national television that he makes up stories (like Springfield OH cat/dog story) to force the media to cover him and his douchebag campaign.

No shame. No morals. No credibility. :oops:
Link? I saw him on CNN Dana Bash and he articulated that he was conveying what his constituents were saying.
and she called him on it right after he said it and he offered NADA in terms of evidence and then asserted that he would continue to tell stories that would force the media to cover the garbage he's peddling. Read the transcript

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/sotu/d ... segment/01
He claimed he had multiple verifiable evidence including 911 calls - He provided nothing more than just saying that again and she fact checked him right there with information from the police, state government and mayor's office - The governor confirmed her facts later in the same show.

He also asserted the Haitian migrants were in the country illegally...which they aren't - They are here under TPS which goes back to the Bush 43 administration and which the Biden administration recently extended

https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/stakehol ... ti-for-tps

How about you provide a link to ANY credible source confirming the scurrilous sh*t he's peddling about Springfield OH as you keep defending this garbage :?: :?: .

I'll wait. :oops:
Where am I defending him? I was asking you for the link or cite where YOU stated.... he asserts he makes things up to be on tv.

Send me some replies when you want cites.....I'd be happy to provide them when asked. Again...never defended a thing regarding JD, maybe the voices in your head heard them...relax.
Jeebus I just DID....and you ignored them all............I even provided a link to the transcript where you can read what he said and that he provided NO EVIDENCE to back up his statement about his constituents' claims including who they were, what was the source of their claims and who/what to follow up with - important given that state and local authorities have stated on multiple occasions that there is no credible evidence of any of the claims he mentioned

As an example, he said
"Let me just say this. My constituents have brought approximately a dozen separate concerns to me. Ten of them are verifiable and confirmable, and a couple of them I talk about because my constituents are telling me firsthand that they're seeing these things."
He was given the opportunity too provide same and he could not produce ANY tangible evidence to support this claim. NONE.

....and you wonder why people react to you this way- :oops:

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am
by youthathletics
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:08 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:58 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:56 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:50 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:51 am JDouchebag Vance asserts on national television that he makes up stories (like Springfield OH cat/dog story) to force the media to cover him and his douchebag campaign.

No shame. No morals. No credibility. :oops:
Link? I saw him on CNN Dana Bash and he articulated that he was conveying what his constituents were saying.
and she called him on it right after he said it and he offered NADA in terms of evidence and then asserted that he would continue to tell stories that would force the media to cover the garbage he's peddling. Read the transcript

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/sotu/d ... segment/01
He claimed he had multiple verifiable evidence including 911 calls - He provided nothing more than just saying that again and she fact checked him right there with information from the police, state government and mayor's office - The governor confirmed her facts later in the same show.

He also asserted the Haitian migrants were in the country illegally...which they aren't - They are here under TPS which goes back to the Bush 43 administration and which the Biden administration recently extended

https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/stakehol ... ti-for-tps

How about you provide a link to ANY credible source confirming the scurrilous sh*t he's peddling about Springfield OH as you keep defending this garbage :?: :?: .

I'll wait. :oops:
Where am I defending him? I was asking you for the link or cite where YOU stated.... he asserts he makes things up to be on tv.

Send me some replies when you want cites.....I'd be happy to provide them when asked. Again...never defended a thing regarding JD, maybe the voices in your head heard them...relax.
Jeebus I just DID....and you ignored them all............I even provided a link to the transcript where you can read what he said and that he provided NO EVIDENCE to back up his statement about his constituents' claims including who they were, what was the source of their claims and who/what to follow up with - important given that state and local authorities have stated on multiple occasions that there is no credible evidence of any of the claims he mentioned (Jeebus is right.....I was referring to your initial post, when I asked you for the 'Cite". )

As an example, he said
"Let me just say this. My constituents have brought approximately a dozen separate concerns to me. Ten of them are verifiable and confirmable, and a couple of them I talk about because my constituents are telling me firsthand that they're seeing these things."
He was given the opportunity too provide same and he could not produce ANY tangible evidence to support this claim. NONE.

....and you wonder why people react to you this way- :oops:
As noted once again, your initial post carried no cite whatsoever, which is why I asked. Then your most recent reply, has you acting as if you provided all the cites and quotes in your initial post.

It would help if you paid attention.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:34 am
by Kismet
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am
As noted once again, your initial post carried no cite whatsoever, which is why I asked. Then your most recent reply, has you acting as if you provided all the cites and quotes in your initial post.

It would help if you paid attention.
Does my subsequent post and links confirm my initial statement or not?

And why would you think my initial post was a lie or fabrication?

You did reference the CNN piece as if you had read it or seen it - but you missed quite a bit of what transpired.

It would also help if you paid attention, too. :oops:

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:37 am
by youthathletics
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:34 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am
As noted once again, your initial post carried no cite whatsoever, which is why I asked. Then your most recent reply, has you acting as if you provided all the cites and quotes in your initial post.

It would help if you paid attention.
Does my subsequent post and links confirm my initial statement or not?

or do you just like to be a noodge in general?

And why would you think my initial post was a lie or fabrication?
Yes, it did, thank you. You can apologize for being mean to me now or send me a bottle of Oban ;)

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:39 am
by Kismet
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:37 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:34 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am
As noted once again, your initial post carried no cite whatsoever, which is why I asked. Then your most recent reply, has you acting as if you provided all the cites and quotes in your initial post.

It would help if you paid attention.
Does my subsequent post and links confirm my initial statement or not?

or do you just like to be a noodge in general?

And why would you think my initial post was a lie or fabrication?
Yes, it did, thank you. You can apologize for being mean to me now or send me a bottle of Oban ;)
I'll take it under advisement ;)

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:30 pm
by youthathletics
So now you've doubled down so much, you now wants to ban the military, said as much, that's how you've rationalized this....b/c wait for it, people die. Even if by suicide, training accident, covid19, etc...the military must cease to exist, even if only one death, regardless if it is combat related.

This should also help save us a bunch of money. ;)

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:42 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:30 pm So now you've doubled down so much, you now wants to ban the military, said as much, that's how you've rationalized this....b/c wait for it, people die. Even if by suicide, training accident, covid19, etc...the military must cease to exist, even if only one death, regardless if it is combat related.

This should also help save us a bunch of money. ;)
So now you move the goalposts to a new place where deaths don't matter now that you figured out that if we stay in Afghanistan, you can count on a dozen or so military deaths per year......meaning you can't find a way to do better than Biden did.

Great. Let's keep the goalposts there: now that you're telling us that military deaths happen no matter what....explain why your underwear is tied in knots over the deaths that happened during the withdrawal?

I'll wait. You are DESPERATE to make Biden bad, and Trump good. And it's just sad watching you feverishly try and move the goalposts to a place when you can make this make sense.

It ain't working.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:55 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:42 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:30 pm So now you've doubled down so much, you now wants to ban the military, said as much, that's how you've rationalized this....b/c wait for it, people die. Even if by suicide, training accident, covid19, etc...the military must cease to exist, even if only one death, regardless if it is combat related.

This should also help save us a bunch of money. ;)
So now you move the goalposts to a new place where deaths don't matter now that you figured out that if we stay in Afghanistan, you can count on a dozen or so military deaths per year......meaning you can't find a way to do better than Biden did.

Great. Let's keep the goalposts there: now that you're telling us that military deaths happen no matter what....explain why your underwear is tied in knots over the deaths that happened during the withdrawal?

I'll wait. You are DESPERATE to make Biden bad, and Trump good. And it's just sad watching you feverishly try and move the goalposts to a place when you can make this make sense.

It ain't working.
Deaths most certainly matter, so much so, you want zero....forever, so let's shutdown the military. But of course, you still can not discern between combat related/KIA vs anything else. Kinda like the guy that got that was eaten by a shark but tested positive, so now he's a CV19 death. :lol:

We've been over this 1000 times, and a dozen this past Sunday.....the plan and execution was poor. OF course it 'could have been worse or even better had another plan taken place....the argument is that the plan that was executed was not favorable for those soldiers and Afghan friendlies.

This has ZERO to do with partisanship...stop making it about that. It's like you have OCD that there must be good side and a bad side...when it just be a good or bad decision...having nothing to do with poltics.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:05 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:55 pm We've been over this 1000 times, and a dozen this past Sunday.....the plan and execution was poor.
According to whom? Partisan breasts? What you're telling us is that the greatest military in the world can't manage to get 2,000 soldiers out of a country in six freaking months. GFTO of here with this. I want my tax dollars back if our Generals can't do that.

And neither you nor OS can give us a better plan, and yet you're on here 100% certain the pull out was "bad".

And you're playing dumb, pretending you're too stupid to get the math: for every additional 12 months in Afghanistan, you can count on another dozen military deaths. Get it? So if you "take your time", that doesn't improve the withdrawal performance.

Is that clear enough for you? "Taking your time leaving the country" doesn't work. Not to mention the US General rubbing your nose in the dog poo, telling you what was coming if we took years to get out....or with your "plan for leaving" of (drumroll) not leaving at all. :roll:

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:12 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:05 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:55 pm We've been over this 1000 times, and a dozen this past Sunday.....the plan and execution was poor.
According to whom? Partisan breasts? What you're telling us is that the greatest military in the world can't manage to get 2,000 soldiers out of a country in six freaking months. GFTO of here with this. I want my tax dollars back if our Generals can't do that.

And neither you nor OS can give us a better plan, and yet you're on here 100% certain the pull out was "bad".

And you're playing dumb, pretending you're too stupid to get the math: for every additional 12 months in Afghanistan, you can count on another dozen military deaths. Get it? So if you "take your time", that doesn't improve the withdrawal performance.

Is that clear enough for you? "Taking your time leaving the country" doesn't work. Not to mention the US General rubbing your nose in the dog poo, telling you what was coming if we took years to get out....or with your "plan for leaving" of (drumroll) not leaving at all. :roll:
You just made our point, perfectly.....the decision by those in charge was bad. Finally, you understand....it is as simple as that. I knew you could do it. ;)

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:13 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:12 pm You just made our point, perfectly.....the decision by those in charge was bad. Finally, you understand....it is as simple as that. I knew you could do it. ;)
:lol: Right. You and OS are blaming the Generals.

I'm mocking YOU BOTH for telling us six months was rushed.

I'm telling you: they did just fine.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:15 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
a fan wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:13 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:12 pm You just made our point, perfectly.....the decision by those in charge was bad. Finally, you understand....it is as simple as that. I knew you could do it. ;)
:lol: Right. You and OS are blaming the Generals.

I'm mocking YOU BOTH for telling us six months was rushed.

I'm telling you: they did just fine.
They are blaming Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:43 pm
by MDlaxfan76
I’d simply like to know how the US military would have done it better under Trump.

I have never heard that Trump actually had a plan to do so. Promises, a formal deal with the Taliban to do so…but never an execution plan from the guy who refused to read his intelligence briefing books.

Sure, an alternative would have been to stay at whatever force level could hold the Taliban at bay, at whatever cost in lives and treasure, but that certainly wasn’t Trump’s plan. Nope, he invited the Taliban to Camp David and undercut the Afghan government, handed over a huge number of Taliban fighters, and promised to leave. That was his “plan”.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:57 pm
by a fan
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:15 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:13 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:12 pm You just made our point, perfectly.....the decision by those in charge was bad. Finally, you understand....it is as simple as that. I knew you could do it. ;)
:lol: Right. You and OS are blaming the Generals.

I'm mocking YOU BOTH for telling us six months was rushed.

I'm telling you: they did just fine.
They are blaming Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.
Of course they are....in what world will the not blame the nearest Dem, as if Biden is a master military tactician....played this same stupid game with Benghazi. And the claim was the Afghan evac was "rushed", which is what I was mocking, and YA knows it. :roll:

Naturally if you recall, it wasn't Trump's fault when Navy ships were colliding under his watch. Isn't this clever? The military is ONLY the responsibility of Dems.

The level of stupidity needed for this game is something to behold. And they're on here telling us it's a "coincidence" that the Dems ALWAYS "do it wrong" and the R's are NEVER at fault for military deaths. And these are grown-*ss men making these drool-in-your shoes partisan complaints.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:05 pm
by a fan
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:43 pm I’d simply like to know how the US military would have done it better under Trump.
Oh, it's simple: if this was Trump? YA and OS would be on here asking us "tell us how you could have planned a better withdrawal. Death is part of being in a war zone".

No one here is fooled by their moronic fake complaints that "just so happen" to blame Dems.

The troops who died under Bush or Trump? "Oh, they were just doing their jobs, and war is hell"

The troops who died under Obama or Biden "OMG, Obama and Biden did it wrong!!!! No one would have died if R's were in charge.".

It's like talking to children with chocolate all over their faces, claiming they don't know what happened to the Hershey bar you left on the table. They want us to believe that death is part of war....except when Dem is to blame. :roll:

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:04 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:13 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:12 pm You just made our point, perfectly.....the decision by those in charge was bad. Finally, you understand....it is as simple as that. I knew you could do it. ;)
:lol: Right. You and OS are blaming the Generals.

I'm mocking YOU BOTH for telling us six months was rushed.

I'm telling you: they did just fine.
Do you actually believe Joe Biden came up with the plan, much less any POTUS for a military plan?....oh vey. Of course the top dog gets the 'blame' ....they are the deciderer in chief, after 'advisement' from their cabinet leaders and top brass.

And hypothetically, if Biden did call the ball, brass would tend to never disrespect their superior.

As to your putting words in our mouth, if TRump had done the same thing, the same result would apply for me....Trumps fault, along with his advisors and brass. Just like he gets the blame for 'trusting' the fuggin Taliban in the DOHA agreement. Which the DOHA agreement is another discussion for another day....something was fishy about the timing of it and our withdrawal.

Really appreciate the denigrating comments.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:09 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:04 pm As to your putting words in our mouth, if TRump had done the same thing, the same result would apply for me....Trumps fault, along with his advisors and brass. Just like he gets the blame for 'trusting' the fuggin Taliban in the DOHA agreement. Which the DOHA agreement is another discussion for another day....something was fishy about the timing of it and our withdrawal.
Great. Then show up the posts where you ripped Trump for combat deaths and we'll believe your claim.

And when you can't do that...now you know why I'm so annoyed. You're claiming evenhandedness that's not there, my man. At no point did you or OS complain about deaths in Afghanistan, and you're telling me this is an accident?
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:04 pm Really appreciate the denigrating comments.
Dude.....you just copped to ripping on Dems, and giving Trump a pass and never criticizing him or the R's here. What reaction do you expect from me?

You KNOW perfectly I hate------HATE-----this partisan garbage where when two Presidents do the exact same thing, and someone rips one and not the other. Did you see me rip apart Brookie and when he was here....DocB? Same hypocrisy, same reaction from yours truly.

Stop playing this game if you don't want me to react like this, and stop handing me this "oh, the others hit Trump plenty" nonsense, because you and OS and Kram have the "Dems are bad" bases completely covered and then some.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:43 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... hostility/

"Just about every part of Sen. JD Vance’s efforts on Sunday to defend his relentless fearmongering about Haitian immigrants was dishonest.

To hear Vance (R-Ohio) tell it — as he told CNN’s Dana Bash and NBC’s Kristen Welker in separate news show appearances — the senator and running mate to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump was simply highlighting long-standing concerns that had been ignored by the media. But those concerns hadn’t been ignored, and his focus on the Ohio city of Springfield and its population that came from Haiti was demonstrably a function of the presidential campaign. Which, Vance admitted to Bash, was the point.

“If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people,” Vance said, “then that’s what I’m going to do, Dana, because you guys are completely letting Kamala Harris coast.”

Bash noted that Vance had just admitted that he “created” these stories, ones asserting (without reliable evidence) that the immigrants were eating people’s pets in an echo of long-standing racist, anti-immigrant rhetoric.

“I say that we’re creating a story, meaning we’re creating the American media focusing on it,” Vance insisted. But, again, that’s not true.

Over and over, to both Bash and Welker, Vance insisted that it was necessary for him to talk about Springfield because no one else was. Two weeks ago, though, the New York Times ran a front-page story about Springfield and the challenges posed by the increase in population from Haitian immigrants. The story noted that Vance had mentioned housing shortages in Springfield during a July Senate hearing, a complaint prompted by a letter the city manager sent to his senators.

Less than a week later, a right-wing social media account shared a screenshot of a post to a Springfield-based Facebook group from a woman who alleged that her neighbor’s daughter’s friend lost a cat, and that immigrants from Haiti had been preparing to eat it. It was paired with a photo of a man in Columbus carrying a goose on a city street and, later, purportedly bolstered by other dubious or unrelated stories of alleged animal-eating.

The story caught fire on pro-Trump social media platforms, with various images generated by artificial intelligence showing Trump saving cats and ducks from people with dark skin. By the time Vance first weighed in, the story was already rampant.

His social media post noted that he’d mentioned Springfield at that hearing, coupling the claim with the update that “[r]eports now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn’t be in this country.” Vance had not mentioned Springfield on X (formerly Twitter) before his post piggybacking on the pet-eating claim.

The woman and her neighbor who drove that initial frenzy subsequently admitted that they had no evidence that the story was true. Based on the evolution of the story since the first flurry of claims, it seems clear that rumors about pet-eating — again, a long-standing bit of anti-immigrant rhetoric — were just rumors, ones circulating throughout the small city.

“Why have I talked about some of the things that I have been talking about?” Vance told Bash. “Let me just say this. My constituents have brought approximately a dozen separate concerns to me. Ten of them are verifiable and confirmable” — though, of course, he never mentioned them until his allies focused on making stolen pets a vehicle for casting immigrants as dangerous.

He didn’t articulate what the 10 verifiable (though not verified) stories were, instead pointing to other stories that were circulating in the right-wing media bubble, including one from conservative activist Chris Rufo. As with the initial stories of pets being taken in Springfield, Rufo’s story, which allegedly occurred in a different city, was flatly rejected by law enforcement.

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson articulated the value of these false claims succinctly during recent comments.

“First of all,” Carlson said, “it makes all the right people mad.” Later, he added a second positive effect: “Now we’re talking about eating pets.”

This is precisely Vance’s approach. When his initial comments about Springfield were met with pushback, he insisted that his allies “keep the cat memes flowing” — rejecting the “crybabies” in the media who insisted on pointing out that his elevation of the stories was dishonest and baseless, if not dangerous.

The danger caused by the stories soon manifested. Bomb threats were made against city facilities and schools in Springfield. The Proud Boys showed up, though somewhat belatedly; neo-Nazis had shown up in the city and made baseless claims about pets back in August. On Monday, the city announced that it was canceling an annual festival out of concern over the onslaught of threats.

“Donald Trump is the only person who brought Springfield to national attention,” Vance insisted to Welker, “and he’s the only president who’s going to fight for the residents, not just their right to live safely in their communities, but for their right to complain about what’s going on in their own community.”

Trump, who once disparaged Haiti with an expletive during a meeting with legislators, and Vance are apparently not concerned about all residents of Springfield living safely in the community. They are, however, very concerned that anyone interested in complaining about immigrants should have those complaints heard loudly, however valid they happen to be.

Particularly when, to Carlson’s point, it drowns out other topics of conversation during the campaign. If the media is “letting Harris coast,” in Vance’s estimation, he’ll need to “create a story” for them to talk about instead.

Better to have the nation debating whether Black immigrants are or are not semi-human killers than to have it focusing on areas where Harris might have an advantage. So keep those “cat memes” flowing, Trump supporters, whatever the cost to those immigrants and to a community that Vance represents."

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:35 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:04 pm As to your putting words in our mouth, if TRump had done the same thing, the same result would apply for me....Trumps fault, along with his advisors and brass. Just like he gets the blame for 'trusting' the fuggin Taliban in the DOHA agreement. Which the DOHA agreement is another discussion for another day....something was fishy about the timing of it and our withdrawal.
Great. Then show up the posts where you ripped Trump for combat deaths and we'll believe your claim.

And when you can't do that...now you know why I'm so annoyed. You're claiming evenhandedness that's not there, my man. At no point did you or OS complain about deaths in Afghanistan, and you're telling me this is an accident?
I know I did....I wanted the GWOT over long-long time ago. I even got chastised for calling that place a Shi(t hole. It's why I started the GWOT to GPC thread, wh I started the in the name of jihaad thread. We aint changing nothing over there. And for further selfish reasons...I also have skin in the game, which makes me even more furious when I hear from the boots on the ground how they were hung out to dry. Again.....your BS argument of this being a Trump vs Biden or R v D is just some make believe assignment / label YOU want to put on it. I've stated at least a dozen times it's not partisan to me, so I don't need to play your silly R v D game.
a fan wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:04 pm Really appreciate the denigrating comments.
Dude.....you just copped to ripping on Dems, and giving Trump a pass and never criticizing him or the R's here. What reaction do you expect from me?

You KNOW perfectly I hate------HATE-----this partisan garbage where when two Presidents do the exact same thing, and someone rips one and not the other. Did you see me rip apart Brookie and when he was here....DocB? Same hypocrisy, same reaction from yours truly.

Stop playing this game if you don't want me to react like this, and stop handing me this "oh, the others hit Trump plenty" nonsense, because you and OS and Kram have the "Dems are bad" bases completely covered and then some.
Same game? Ripping on Dems?.....So now Military Brass are aligned with the party of the POTUS they serve....is that your stance? I just articulated the only reason Biden gets the blame is b/c he is CiC. Would it have changed the argument if we said Abbey Gate was all Austin's fault?...that way you could not use the R v D wet blanket that you throw at every turn, that you claim you hate?

If I don't like a product put out by your business, do I blame the guy on the floor running the equipment or you?.....exactly, I blame you, and I don't give a sh(t to which party you are affiliated.

Pro Tip: you should really consider trying to separate party, from point of discussion, when chatting with me, OS, cradle, Kram, et al.. It may really help the conversation.

For the record, I hated Trumps tax changes, even argued (on here) how it screwed me and so many others and they don't even know it was his doing. I hated his big fuggin mouth and how his return forced me to recently changed party.

Re: 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:01 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:35 pm I also have skin in the game, which makes me even more furious when I hear from the boots on the ground how they were hung out to dry. Again.....your BS argument of this being a Trump vs Biden or R v D is just some make believe assignment / label YOU want to put on it. I've stated at least a dozen times it's not partisan to me, so I don't need to play your silly R v D game.
So then:

1. don't complain when Biden gets us out

2. show me the post where you cite the General in charge (do you even know his name?) of Afghanistan, and rip him a new one.

Did you do that? Nope. How long will it take me to find you blaming Biden for the withdrawal? And yes, this is a trick question....you are LYING, and blamed Biden. It's right there in writing, and here you are, claiming you didn't do that, and instead blamed the General..and that i'm being a jerk.

Steak dinner says you have to Google which General was in charge of the withdrawal.

Two dinners says you never once mentioned him here, let alone criticized him by name.

Dude, if you MEANT to blame the Generals? Great. But you didn't do that here, and I'm not a mind reader.
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:35 pm Pro Tip: you should really consider trying to separate party, from point of discussion, when chatting with me, OS, cradle, Kram, et al.. It may really help the conversation.
oh for f's sake.

Dude: you JUST told me that you refuse to criticize the R's here. And we already know OS and Kram don't either.

Yet you want to give ME grief for calling out this partisan horsesh(t? And better still, tell ME I'm the one putting party before any discussion here?

How hard were you laughing when you typed this out? You're making ZERO sense.
youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:35 pm For the record, I hated Trumps tax changes, even argued (on here) how it screwed me and so many others and they don't even know it was his doing. I hated his big fuggin mouth and how his return forced me to recently changed party.
Great news. Next step: stop playing your petty, silly game where you refuse to criticize Trump or the R's here for your invented reason that makes no sense. Do that? Watch how I react. I'll treat you the same way I treated OS on laxpower, when he criticized both parties, and we had wonderful exchanges.

Don't do that? Sorry mate, you don't get to yell at me for calling out your partisan "Dems are always bad, and I'll never criticize the R's" horsehockey.