ODAC 2023

[InsiderRoll]

I’d take Beatty over Cohen in a big spot. First job is to defend, second gain possession. On that score I think Beatty is more solid defensively, doesn’t over commit going for the big check. Far more ground balls(14) than Cohen, and fewer shots. Cohen has taken shots in moments where possession is more important , Beatty I think is a better situational player and just as good offensively. In a big moment no matter the situation I think Beatty is the better decision maker and overall player. Together they are a great tandem. Albregts has played well also.

WnL best DM tandem there? Beatty/Cohen/Albregts
Lynchburg's Nestor is very good too...
HSC has some good guys
Noke runs a lot but no one standing out

So tough to judge this position as you said Dehunt...do you give accolades to the best defenders, best gb grabbers, best ct causers, most points?? Ideal word says a little bit of all that. Wouldn't be surprised to see some of these guys sneak on as regular M if the coaches see how many good ones there are.

I’ll come off biased. But mills is also good for W&L. W&L probably has 4 of the top 6 shortsticks in the ODAC. I spoke with one top 20 coach that said “I thought #18 (Bentley) graduating would hurt them, now they have 3 of him!”

[Laxfan4380]

He’s a quick shot:

OPOY: Mitchell (LYN)
DPOY: Morgan (HSC)
COY: Rostan (HSC)
ROY: Cohen (W&L)

1st Team:
Attack:
Porkorny (W&L)
Kammerman (RC)
O’Brien (HSC)

Midfield:
Mitchell (LYN)
Aust (LYN)
Thompson (HSC)

FO:
Kraus (LYN)

SSDM: Cohen (W&L)

LSM:
Lackey (W&L)

Defense:
Morgan (HSC)
Hubbard (W&L)
Zingo (LYN)

Goalie:
Hadley (LYN)

2nd Team
Attack:
Smith (RMC)
Burns (W&L)
Hastings (LYN)
Whitlow (RC)

Midfield:
Clingerman (SHEN)
Allen (W&L)
Saunders (HSC)

FO:
Alexander (BW)

Ssdm:
Weis (HSC)

Lsm:
Darminio (LYN)

Defense:
Fechter (HSC)
Marindin (LYN)
Heald (W&L)

Goalie:
Perry (HSC)

What about the poles from RMC either #23 or #17 for ROY

[NClacrosse]

ROY: Cohen (W&L)

[InsiderRoll]

ROY: Cohen (W&L) ??

There are other first years with stronger performances. Owen Gucwa(RMC starting goalie). HSC #10 mid and HSC #1 mid(starting for HSC) and had 5 points against Roanoke last weekend.

He’s one of the best SSDMs in the country and has 15 points on the year. He’s also a weapon in their clearing game that is currently one of the best percentages in the country. He isn’t an O mid.

Gucwa is 11th in the conference in save percentage at 46%, I can’t tell if that’s a joke or not.

[ODAD]

Hadley is very good but Perry is playing exceptionally well this season. Also it’s hard to have a ton of saves when your defense doesn’t allow a lot of shots. This will be a great game on Saturday.

[Dehuntshigwa’es]

I’d take Beatty over Cohen in a big spot. First job is to defend, second gain possession. On that score I think Beatty is more solid defensively, doesn’t over commit going for the big check. Far more ground balls(14) than Cohen, and fewer shots. Cohen has taken shots in moments where possession is more important , Beatty I think is a better situational player and just as good offensively. In a big moment no matter the situation I think Beatty is the better decision maker and overall player. Together they are a great tandem. Albregts has played well also.

WnL best DM tandem there? Beatty/Cohen/Albregts
Lynchburg's Nestor is very good too...
HSC has some good guys
Noke runs a lot but no one standing out

So tough to judge this position as you said Dehunt...do you give accolades to the best defenders, best gb grabbers, best ct causers, most points?? Ideal word says a little bit of all that. Wouldn't be surprised to see some of these guys sneak on as regular M if the coaches see how many good ones there are.

I’ll come off biased. But mills is also good for W&L. W&L probably has 4 of the top 6 shortsticks in the ODAC. I spoke with one top 20 coach that said “I thought #18 (Bentley) graduating would hurt them, now they have 3 of him!”

Last June or July I had mentioned Beatty as a ROY potential candidate.I must admit I also considered Lane as well. Beatty jumped off the page in his high school highlight tape both football and lacrosse. Don’t know if Lane is hurt or struggled adjusting to college but he was outstanding in high school. I’m surprised he hasn’t gotten more time. Would they ever consider putting a pole in his hand. Another 23 high school grad , Spano comes in next year. He should make a big impact immediately. Hoping Seed’s confidence has grown, great opportunity for him as tournament play begins shortly. If he plays well W&L could make some noise in May.

[Nothinbutthelax]

Hadley / Perry will depend on outcome of Saturdays game.. “To the victor goes the spoils”.
With bias I’d say Darminio with 73 GB’s / 19 CT’s and 4 points in only 14 games. He’s a disrupter and has many hockey assists. Lackey is very good but his #’s are well below Darminio with 16 games..
Nestor has battled thru injury and has been a leader at LYN. He may get 2nd team.. but LYN needs to win Saturday to expel the RMC let down..

[InsiderRoll]

Hadley / Perry will depend on outcome of Saturdays game.. “To the victor goes the spoils”.
With bias I’d say Darminio with 73 GB’s / 19 CT’s and 4 points in only 14 games. He’s a disrupter and has many hockey assists. Lackey is very good but his #’s are well below Darminio with 16 games..
Nestor has battled thru injury and has been a leader at LYN. He may get 2nd team.. but LYN needs to win Saturday to expel the RMC let down..

Both LSMs are very good. Lackey also takes only 50% of the lsm reps. Darminio takes about 85%. Darminio also takes every single wing.

Lackey has 42gbs, 18cts and 15 points. Not sure that’s “well below”. IMO he’s an also better 1v1 defender.

[InsiderRoll]

Hadley is very good but Perry is playing exceptionally well this season. Also it’s hard to have a ton of saves when your defense doesn’t allow a lot of shots. This will be a great game on Saturday.

Agreed a Perry has the benefit of arguably the best defense in the country in front of him. He sees plenty of savable shots

[DataLax]

Hadley / Perry will depend on outcome of Saturdays game.. “To the victor goes the spoils”.
With bias I’d say Darminio with 73 GB’s / 19 CT’s and 4 points in only 14 games. He’s a disrupter and has many hockey assists. Lackey is very good but his #’s are well below Darminio with 16 games..
Nestor has battled thru injury and has been a leader at LYN. He may get 2nd team.. but LYN needs to win Saturday to expel the RMC let down..

Both LSMs are very good. Lackey also takes only 50% of the lsm reps. Darminio takes about 85%. Darminio also takes every single wing.

Lackey has 42gbs, 18cts and 15 points. Not sure that’s “well below”. IMO he’s an also better 1v1 defender.

Darminio's 73 GB's, Lackey's 15 points (5 points vs HS and Lynchburg!), Kilfeather's 26 CTO's. Each has a stat to hang their hat on. Pretty strong positional group this year.

[DataLax]

POY Watch:

Riley Mitchell M:
25 g 22 a 47 pts in 15 games and 90 shots

Luke Kammerman A:
41 g 43 a 84 pts in 17 games and 132 shots

Hudson Pokorny A:
37 g 49 a 86 pts in 17 games and 98 shots

Make of it what you will

[Laxfan4380]

POY Watch:

Riley Mitchell M:
25 g 22 a 47 pts in 15 games and 90 shots

Luke Kammerman A:
41 g 43 a 84 pts in 17 games and 132 shots

Hudson Pokorny A:
37 g 49 a 86 pts in 17 games and 98 shots

Make of it what you will

Pokorny is very impressive more points than Kammerman with 30+ less shots

[InsiderRoll]

POY Watch:

Riley Mitchell M:
25 g 22 a 47 pts in 15 games and 90 shots

Luke Kammerman A:
41 g 43 a 84 pts in 17 games and 132 shots

Hudson Pokorny A:
37 g 49 a 86 pts in 17 games and 98 shots

Make of it what you will

Pokorny is very impressive more points than Kammerman with 30+ less shots

I will say Pokorny does benefit from Burns drawing every teams #1 defensemen.

[Nothinbutthelax]

Darminio at 78 GB’s and 21 CT’s playing another 2 quarters at Guilford.. with another game Saturday and 1 less game played I’ll raise you to “Considerably below”. Better on ball defender… maybe. If he’s your 1st team why wouldn’t he be on wings more often?
Anyway- these selections weigh on Saturday’s results..

Zingo and Wolfe did not play last night.. #28 Shuster was hurt and has returned to fill in for Zingo.. He’s good on ball in transition but close D experience is lacking. If Zingo out I think Marindin draws O’Brien. Marindin is a punisher on ball but not sure he has the footwork..Without Zingo Hadley will need to be sharp and man down may be a notch weaker..

Will HSC come off the bus like they did at Roanoke?

[DataLax]

Darminio at 78 GB’s and 21 CT’s playing another 2 quarters at Guilford.. with another game Saturday and 1 less game played I’ll raise you to “Considerably below”. Better on ball defender… maybe. If he’s your 1st team why wouldn’t he be on wings more often?
Anyway- these selections weigh on Saturday’s results..

Zingo and Wolfe did not play last night.. #28 Shuster was hurt and has returned to fill in for Zingo.. He’s good on ball in transition but close D experience is lacking. If Zingo out I think Marindin draws O’Brien. Marindin is a punisher on ball but not sure he has the footwork..Without Zingo Hadley will need to be sharp and man down may be a notch weaker..

Will HSC come off the bus like they did at Roanoke?

Updated Stats. Not sure the unbiased picture is being painted for followers here.

GB's
Darminio 78 Lackey 47. (Lackey is considerably below)

CTO's
Darminio 21 Lackey 20 (Lackey is slightly below despite game difference)

Points
Darminio 4 Lackey 17 (Darminio is considerably below)

TOs
Darminio 17 Lackey 8 (Lackey considerably below, but a positive here)

[thescottharris]

Unless the ODAC has split up the Player of the Year awards into Offensive and Defensive, my POY award has to go to Nick Morgan at H-SC.

[InsiderRoll]

Unless the ODAC has split up the Player of the Year awards into Offensive and Defensive, my POY award has to go to Nick Morgan at H-SC.

Great pick. I think there is a long standing tradition of the POY going to POY candidate who has the best tournament. Which is a little odd.

[camskidamski]

Last season All ODAC by team (2022):

Lynchburg (11)
W&L (9)
Noke (8)
HSC (8)
RMC (5)
Bridgewater (5)
Shenandoah (2)
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2023 Predictions (all ?, no deep dive into positional need) :

Lynchburg (11)
W&L (8)
Noke (6)
HSC (10)
RMC (5)
Bridgewater (4)
Shenandoah (2)
VA Wes/Guilford (1 each?)
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~~Any specific players for each team or cases to be made for anyone? Great time of the year to reflect on these great teams and players...

Tried to dig a little here but don't know much about a lot of these teams, anyone want to fill in with what they know?:

Lynchburg (11) (
W&L (8) (Allen, Beatty, Burns, Cohen, Hubbard, Lackey, Pokorny, Seeds) -Brown/Bou?
Noke (6) (Goad, Hammond, J Kammerman, L Kammerman, Whitlow) - Docking?
HSC (10) (
RMC (5) (
Bridgewater (4) (
Shenandoah (2) (
VA Wes/Guilford (1 each?) (

[Laxfan4380]

Last season All ODAC by team (2022):

Lynchburg (11)
W&L (9)
Noke (8)
HSC (8)
RMC (5)
Bridgewater (5)
Shenandoah (2)
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2023 Predictions (all ?, no deep dive into positional need) :

Lynchburg (11)
W&L (8)
Noke (6)
HSC (10)
RMC (5)
Bridgewater (4)
Shenandoah (2)
VA Wes/Guilford (1 each?)
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48

~~Any specific players for each team or cases to be made for anyone? Great time of the year to reflect on these great teams and players...

Tried to dig a little here but don't know much about a lot of these teams, anyone want to fill in with what they know?:

Lynchburg (11) (
W&L (8) (Allen, Beatty, Burns, Cohen, Hubbard, Lackey, Pokorny, Seeds) -Brown/Bou?
Noke (6) (Goad, Hammond, J Kammerman, L Kammerman, Whitlow) - Docking?
HSC (10) (
RMC (5) (
Bridgewater (4) (
Shenandoah (2) (
VA Wes/Guilford (1 each?) (

Jack smith from RMC will get on one of those teams, maybe one of their poles also

[thescottharris]

Unless the ODAC has split up the Player of the Year awards into Offensive and Defensive, my POY award has to go to Nick Morgan at H-SC.

Great pick. I think there is a long standing tradition of the POY going to POY candidate who has the best tournament. Which is a little odd.

That stuff gets voted on before the tournament.