Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:24 am
Can anyone say Kyle LeBlanc and Joey Kamish. That’s as good a reason Hounds dropped this game. Missing 2 key components. Oh well, on to Lafayette.
Wishing them both a successful recovery and return for the 2022 season...Two of our best according to our staff and we miss them...it showed.
Hellooo??? how does this work? I thought Loyola is the #2 seed, don't they ply the #1 seed which is Lehigh or Army in the first Semi final round?NovaHound wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:54 pm That's a good way of looking at it. We all know the drill. About half of any team will get significant playing time. That leaves 20+ other players standing on the sideline, contributing and working hard in practice (in theory) but who might only get time on the field in a blowout game - of which there were none this season really (except maybe Utah/Bucknell). Players will tell you that their team mates who don't get a lot of playing time are happy as long as the team is winning. When you begin losing that's a different story.
The biggest disappointment this year is that there aren't enough W's and it's been a strange year and a half. Nothing is normal and everyone is trying hard to make it work. Cliques or Pods are the result of COVID practices and protocols. No one wants that but that is the hand these players and coaches were dealt. Could things be better? Sure. Hounds could have more Wins. Loyola could have fans at the games and a home field advantage. The team could have normal practices. Fans and family could meet our friends and their players after the game.
I really feel bad for the Freshman and Sophomores on this team, and their families. Nothing has been normal. And these players, at least the Sophomores on up, will get another year if they want it. I don't think the Patriot League lets you redshirt unless it is for a medical reason. From what I hear, A lot of the Seniors will be back. Some won't. So I guess if a player feels he'll be better off someplace else then go for it. I understand. but the grass isn't always greener. Loyola is still a coveted school to attend academically and athletically. There were also a large number of injuries, perhaps more than in other years.
Now for some lacrosse news. I hear Loyola will play Navy again in the first round in the PL tournament. Army and Lehigh get a bye. Navy is a good team and its mission has been to beat Loyola for the past two years. Forget Army. They wanted to beat Loyola and even had the T-Shirts. It was going to happen and now Navy can build its program back and the future games between Navy and Loyola will be intense. Navy, after all, has one of the top recruiting classes according to IL. I hope the game is at Navy so I can attend along with many others. Loyola will beat Navy this time.
My last point is that I thought I saw Poitras running more at Attack and Evan James working more as a Middle in the 2nd half, spurring that 6-0 run. Maybe the coaches do have a clue
This is not correct. It is a 4-team tournament this year - Lehigh, Army, BU, and Loyola. Navy is out. Loyola will be the #3 or #4 seed and face Army or Lehigh in the semifinals.houndace1 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:39 pmHellooo??? how does this work? I thought Loyola is the #2 seed, don't they ply the #1 seed which is Lehigh or Army in the first Semi final round?NovaHound wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:54 pm That's a good way of looking at it. We all know the drill. About half of any team will get significant playing time. That leaves 20+ other players standing on the sideline, contributing and working hard in practice (in theory) but who might only get time on the field in a blowout game - of which there were none this season really (except maybe Utah/Bucknell). Players will tell you that their team mates who don't get a lot of playing time are happy as long as the team is winning. When you begin losing that's a different story.
The biggest disappointment this year is that there aren't enough W's and it's been a strange year and a half. Nothing is normal and everyone is trying hard to make it work. Cliques or Pods are the result of COVID practices and protocols. No one wants that but that is the hand these players and coaches were dealt. Could things be better? Sure. Hounds could have more Wins. Loyola could have fans at the games and a home field advantage. The team could have normal practices. Fans and family could meet our friends and their players after the game.
I really feel bad for the Freshman and Sophomores on this team, and their families. Nothing has been normal. And these players, at least the Sophomores on up, will get another year if they want it. I don't think the Patriot League lets you redshirt unless it is for a medical reason. From what I hear, A lot of the Seniors will be back. Some won't. So I guess if a player feels he'll be better off someplace else then go for it. I understand. but the grass isn't always greener. Loyola is still a coveted school to attend academically and athletically. There were also a large number of injuries, perhaps more than in other years.
Now for some lacrosse news. I hear Loyola will play Navy again in the first round in the PL tournament. Army and Lehigh get a bye. Navy is a good team and its mission has been to beat Loyola for the past two years. Forget Army. They wanted to beat Loyola and even had the T-Shirts. It was going to happen and now Navy can build its program back and the future games between Navy and Loyola will be intense. Navy, after all, has one of the top recruiting classes according to IL. I hope the game is at Navy so I can attend along with many others. Loyola will beat Navy this time.
My last point is that I thought I saw Poitras running more at Attack and Evan James working more as a Middle in the 2nd half, spurring that 6-0 run. Maybe the coaches do have a clue
NovaHound wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:54 pm That's a good way of looking at it. We all know the drill. About half of any team will get significant playing time. That leaves 20+ other players standing on the sideline, contributing and working hard in practice (in theory) but who might only get time on the field in a blowout game - of which there were none this season really (except maybe Utah/Bucknell). Players will tell you that their team mates who don't get a lot of playing time are happy as long as the team is winning. When you begin losing that's a different story.
The biggest disappointment this year is that there aren't enough W's and it's been a strange year and a half. Nothing is normal and everyone is trying hard to make it work. Cliques or Pods are the result of COVID practices and protocols. No one wants that but that is the hand these players and coaches were dealt. Could things be better? Sure. Hounds could have more Wins. Loyola could have fans at the games and a home field advantage. The team could have normal practices. Fans and family could meet our friends and their players after the game.
I really feel bad for the Freshman and Sophomores on this team, and their families. Nothing has been normal. And these players, at least the Sophomores on up, will get another year if they want it. I don't think the Patriot League lets you redshirt unless it is for a medical reason. From what I hear, A lot of the Seniors will be back. Some won't. So I guess if a player feels he'll be better off someplace else then go for it. I understand. but the grass isn't always greener. Loyola is still a coveted school to attend academically and athletically. There were also a large number of injuries, perhaps more than in other years.
Now for some lacrosse news. I hear Loyola will play Navy again in the first round in the PL tournament. Army and Lehigh get a bye. Navy is a good team and its mission has been to beat Loyola for the past two years. Forget Army. They wanted to beat Loyola and even had the T-Shirts. It was going to happen and now Navy can build its program back and the future games between Navy and Loyola will be intense. Navy, after all, has one of the top recruiting classes according to IL. I hope the game is at Navy so I can attend along with many others. Loyola will beat Navy this time.
My last point is that I thought I saw Poitras running more at Attack and Evan James working more as a Middle in the 2nd half, spurring that 6-0 run. Maybe the coaches do have a clue
ftfylaxbro11 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:25 am Takes from the Navy Game:
Offense:
2. There is player development on this team. We have seen no improvement of the middies. they do not produce, they do not created doubles, they cannot beat their man one on one. This comes down to <recruiting. or players getting better.>
Vanarsdale has failed here.
I concur.wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:43 pmftfylaxbro11 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:25 am Takes from the Navy Game:
Offense:
2. There is player development on this team. We have seen no improvement of the middies. they do not produce, they do not created doubles, they cannot beat their man one on one. This comes down to <recruiting. or players getting better.>
Vanarsdale has failed here.
I m struggling with this one. How much preparation is needed to play a team you beat soundly just 2 weeks prior? I'm sure Navy made some adjustments following their loss, but it's not like they totally transformed themselves. Seems to me it also had to be a combination of losing 2 starters coupled with the knowledge that the outcome of the game wouldn't affect anything in terms of the postseason. The team knew they didn't have to win, so they didn't.
Welcome to the Greyhound family! I hope you stay. As a longtime fan (~40 years), I can't tell you how painful this is to hear, but I appreciate you sharing your insights. Most painful of all is that this is such a stark contrast to what I've heard in talking to many, many parents over the years. Toomey has built a reputation around his concern for his players and his appreciation for character and culture over just the on-field performance. I have to assume the pandemic protocols are largely to blame for this situation. I hope we return to "normal" next season.Garygreyhound wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:28 pm Relatively new to the Greyhound family. I have two children who play D1 lacrosse and two completely different experiences playing out simultaneously. We are incredibly unimpressed with how this season has played out. For starters, there has been almost no communication between coaching staff and families. The team is fractured beyond belief and “pods” have turned into cliques. Leadership from team captains is questionable as I’m sure they aren’t strong enough to speak up and advocate for players. There was an earlier discussion about kids entering the transfer portal. We attended this weekends game against Navy and I’m here to tell you, there was a lot of conversation about kids transferring and for various reasons. Lack of leadership on the team and apparently all of the seniors who were feted will be returning next year which may or may not be a good idea. If I ran my business the way this team seems to be operating , I would be out of business. The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result. Imagine being one of the kids on the sidelines or with a couple of runs watching the game unfold every week. They are essentially being told that these 15 players are the best Loyola has to offer, they are not trusted to make a difference and the team is incapable or afraid of change. There is absolutely no ingenuity. The only passion on display was from Navy. They deserved the win. I understand we are down two key players but you would think at this level, you have others more than able to step up. Personally, I think Vanarsdale needs some new tricks up his sleeve instead of his current strategy of slinging jello at a wall each week and hope something sticks.
Definitely. Way to think positive! Toomey has done a great job over the years of picking up impactful transfers, including from the ACC. On the current roster, we have Millhouse (UVA), Hughes (Mercer), and Decker (Marist), and in the recent past, McGovern (UNC) and Mazza (Penn State) to name a few.
Yeah but did they get Millhouse’ mom in the real too?GreyingHound wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:47 amDefinitely. Way to think positive! Toomey has done a great job over the years of picking up impactful transfers, including from the ACC. On the current roster, we have Millhouse (UVA), Hughes (Mercer), and Decker (Marist), and in the recent past, McGovern (UNC) and Mazza (Penn State) to name a few.