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Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:06 am
by cradleandshoot
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:24 am So along with the crazy Florida defamation bill, we've got a red wave of anti-trans bills in various states, some introduced, some passed. Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Dakota, South Carolina, Texas, Missouri, Tennessee, Utah and more.

I get being upset at some random trans powerlifter or genetic woman with higher testosterone being allowed to compete with other girls. But not sure why people get so insanely angry about this issue about a small fraction of the population just simply wanting to exist. They're whipped into a frenzy. Gonna lead to more kids dying, and adults dying as well. Perhaps intentionally.

And who hates on combat medics? Oh, right...

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Live and let live seems to me to be the correct approach. I may not understand how people choose to live their lives. At the end of the day it is none of my business.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:28 am
by PizzaSnake
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:06 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:24 am So along with the crazy Florida defamation bill, we've got a red wave of anti-trans bills in various states, some introduced, some passed. Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Dakota, South Carolina, Texas, Missouri, Tennessee, Utah and more.

I get being upset at some random trans powerlifter or genetic woman with higher testosterone being allowed to compete with other girls. But not sure why people get so insanely angry about this issue about a small fraction of the population just simply wanting to exist. They're whipped into a frenzy. Gonna lead to more kids dying, and adults dying as well. Perhaps intentionally.

And who hates on combat medics? Oh, right...

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Live and let live seems to me to be the correct approach. I may not understand how people choose to live their lives. At the end of the day it is none of my business.
Exactly how I feel as well. Too bad more "Christians" don't adhere to their "Lord and Saviors" dictum:

Matthew 7:1-3
King James Version
"Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

These folks could open a lumberyard with the supply in their eyes.

Maybe they skip this passage in their weekly Bible study classes. Too bad their wasn't enough time for Jimmy to school them all.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:19 pm
by jhu72
... their bibles end with the Old Testament. They have never seen the new. Their god is a real dick! :roll: :roll:

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm
by youthathletics

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:36 pm
by SCLaxAttack

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:54 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
You telling me that kids didn't have sex before 18 in your neck of the woods? Was that what YOU "ultimately wanted".

Or was "that different". ;)

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:11 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:54 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
You telling me that kids didn't have sex before 18 in your neck of the woods? Was that what YOU "ultimately wanted".

Or was "that different". ;)
Usually not with adults, when they're 9 years old.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Who is "they"?

Pedophiles?

I watched what this guy is saying and understood him as being clear that "most" such events are abuse, but that people should not attempt to dissuade an adult looking back from saying that they had consented from being emotionally ok with that.

I disagree as I think the 9 year old never truly had independent 'consent', the event is by definition abuse; I don't want the now adult to be damaged emotionally today by being forced to admit that such consent was not given, but I think it is far, far more likely that such current belief is merely repression for the abuse that actually happened. A 9 year old's brain is simply not developed to make such consent with full understanding.

But I don't see him as saying he ("they") want pedopholes to not be considered abusers.

Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:25 am
by get it to x
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.
So are you saying that "Age of Majority" is just some arbitrary number when defining older/younger sexual relations? Not sure what you mean by young adults? A 15 year old girl and a 24 year old man? The push to redefine pedophiles as "Minor Attracted Persons" should never be associated with adult/adult relationships in any way, gay, straight or otherwise.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:42 am
by youthathletics
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Who is "they"?

Pedophiles?

I watched what this guy is saying and understood him as being clear that "most" such events are abuse, but that people should not attempt to dissuade an adult looking back from saying that they had consented from being emotionally ok with that.

I disagree as I think the 9 year old never truly had independent 'consent', the event is by definition abuse; I don't want the now adult to be damaged emotionally today by being forced to admit that such consent was not given, but I think it is far, far more likely that such current belief is merely repression for the abuse that actually happened. A 9 year old's brain is simply not developed to make such consent with full understanding.

But I don't see him as saying he ("they") want pedopholes to not be considered abusers.

Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.
So what then are you saying? You might want to re-listen a bit more intently. Seems like you are giving the pedophile a reprieve, because the 9 y/o said go for it at the time. I am sure all those pedophiles in prison hoped they could persuade those they abused to say "I consented" so they would not be in prison.

Not sure how you even found a way to begin justifying this.

It is never consensual for a child, ever.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:45 am
by cradleandshoot
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Who is "they"?

Pedophiles?

I watched what this guy is saying and understood him as being clear that "most" such events are abuse, but that people should not attempt to dissuade an adult looking back from saying that they had consented from being emotionally ok with that.

I disagree as I think the 9 year old never truly had independent 'consent', the event is by definition abuse; I don't want the now adult to be damaged emotionally today by being forced to admit that such consent was not given, but I think it is far, far more likely that such current belief is merely repression for the abuse that actually happened. A 9 year old's brain is simply not developed to make such consent with full understanding.

But I don't see him as saying he ("they") want pedopholes to not be considered abusers.

Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.
I could be wrong but I believe the laws pertaining to statutory rape blow a huge hole in your argument. A 14 year old can have consensual sex with a 16 year old. I don't know about it being abuse but it sure as hell is against the law in most states.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:06 am
by Farfromgeneva
youthathletics wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:42 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Who is "they"?

Pedophiles?

I watched what this guy is saying and understood him as being clear that "most" such events are abuse, but that people should not attempt to dissuade an adult looking back from saying that they had consented from being emotionally ok with that.

I disagree as I think the 9 year old never truly had independent 'consent', the event is by definition abuse; I don't want the now adult to be damaged emotionally today by being forced to admit that such consent was not given, but I think it is far, far more likely that such current belief is merely repression for the abuse that actually happened. A 9 year old's brain is simply not developed to make such consent with full understanding.

But I don't see him as saying he ("they") want pedopholes to not be considered abusers.

Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.
So what then are you saying? You might want to re-listen a bit more intently. Seems like you are giving the pedophile a reprieve, because the 9 y/o said go for it at the time. I am sure all those pedophiles in prison hoped they could persuade those they abused to say "I consented" so they would not be in prison.

Not sure how you even found a way to begin justifying this.

It is never consensual for a child, ever.
Two seniors in HS, one 18 one 17 in a state where 18 is law. Is that 17yr old a child?

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:12 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:11 am
a fan wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:54 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
You telling me that kids didn't have sex before 18 in your neck of the woods? Was that what YOU "ultimately wanted".

Or was "that different". ;)
Usually not with adults, when they're 9 years old.
How many friends did you have that had college kids with high school girlfriends?

Is this "grooming"? I say YES. How much more self aware is a 20 year old vs. a 16 or 17 year old? It's grooming, and it's illegal.

Yet no one does a thing about it. BOTH instances are bad AND illegal...that's my point.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:17 am
by MDlaxfan76
get it to x wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:25 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.
So are you saying that "Age of Majority" is just some arbitrary number when defining older/younger sexual relations? Not sure what you mean by young adults? A 15 year old girl and a 24 year old man? The push to redefine pedophiles as "Minor Attracted Persons" should never be associated with adult/adult relationships in any way, gay, straight or otherwise.
I suspect you and I will agree on this one, not sure why you excerpted what I wrote.

However one wants to define "adult", (18, 21, 25-age when insurers give better rates) when there's a substantial age difference with someone under 18 there is an inherent power imbalance. There obviously can be other power imbalances in "relationships", but we're taking about pedophiles for this discussion.

How substantial an age difference?
Is an 18 year old boy and a 17 year old girl, or vice versa, too much, no IMO
18 and 16? (I don't think so), but hey, I met my future wife freshmen week in college, both freshmen, she's just "wicked smaht"...I was 2 months away from 19, she had just turned 17 weeks earlier. We were certainly physical quickly albeit we held off full relations for a good long while. Sure seemed long... So, that's my admittedly biased perspective on that age gap.
21 and 16? Yes, too much IMO.
25 and 16, you betcha....easily wrong.
My wife's college roommate was still "dating" a man, at that point in his 30's, the relationship had started when she'd been babysitting as a 14 year old...we were horrified...

32 and 9, string'em up by the balls....or whatever.

I certainly think that the 17 and 16 year old can and do "consent", likewise (but something I think is problematic) is the 15 and 14, even tougher the 14 and 13....but the bigger the gap between minors, the less likely that "consent" is equally informed. The younger any of them is, the less likely of full recognition of risks.

That said, it's important to understand that girls (in general) mature earlier than boys in this regard, so it's not unusual for the girl to be more aggressive in our current society. Teenage boys are less risk averse, but girls are more motivated by social acceptance. Just the ways the teenage brains develop differently. They end up very similarly, but the pattern is different along the development path...different parts of the brain literally light up when addressing various questions.

Totally agree that none of this has to do with sexual preference.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:21 am
by MDlaxfan76
a fan wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:12 am
old salt wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:11 am
a fan wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:54 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
You telling me that kids didn't have sex before 18 in your neck of the woods? Was that what YOU "ultimately wanted".

Or was "that different". ;)
Usually not with adults, when they're 9 years old.
How many friends did you have that had college kids with high school girlfriends?

Is this "grooming"? I say YES. How much more self aware is a 20 year old vs. a 16 or 17 year old? It's grooming, and it's illegal.

Yet no one does a thing about it. BOTH instances are bad AND illegal...that's my point.
I dunno, freshman in college dating HS sweetheart, senior?
Totally agree about creepy if 20 year old and HS junior...imbalance.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:26 am
by a fan
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:45 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Who is "they"?

Pedophiles?

I watched what this guy is saying and understood him as being clear that "most" such events are abuse, but that people should not attempt to dissuade an adult looking back from saying that they had consented from being emotionally ok with that.

I disagree as I think the 9 year old never truly had independent 'consent', the event is by definition abuse; I don't want the now adult to be damaged emotionally today by being forced to admit that such consent was not given, but I think it is far, far more likely that such current belief is merely repression for the abuse that actually happened. A 9 year old's brain is simply not developed to make such consent with full understanding.

But I don't see him as saying he ("they") want pedopholes to not be considered abusers.

Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.
I could be wrong but I believe the laws pertaining to statutory rape blow a huge hole in your argument. A 14 year old can have consensual sex with a 16 year old. I don't know about it being abuse but it sure as hell is against the law in most states.
That's illegal, too. BTW? In "olden days", as you guys very well know....the age of consent was 12. Super-cool, right? And we all know it was the girls that the old guys were "waiting" on to turn 12.

The controlling fact for most States is a 2 year difference in age. I know TONS of guys in HS who could have done jail time for dating a couple classes below theirs.

NONE of this behavior is ok. Grooming is grooming.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/reports/statutory- ... irements-1

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:27 am
by a fan
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:21 am
a fan wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:12 am
old salt wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:11 am
a fan wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:54 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
You telling me that kids didn't have sex before 18 in your neck of the woods? Was that what YOU "ultimately wanted".

Or was "that different". ;)
Usually not with adults, when they're 9 years old.
How many friends did you have that had college kids with high school girlfriends?

Is this "grooming"? I say YES. How much more self aware is a 20 year old vs. a 16 or 17 year old? It's grooming, and it's illegal.

Yet no one does a thing about it. BOTH instances are bad AND illegal...that's my point.
I dunno, freshman in college dating HS sweetheart, senior?
Totally agree about creepy if 20 year old and HS junior...imbalance.
As I just cited....the standard in most States is 2 years or more difference in age. The fact that most States have settled on that tells me that's a reasonable marker.

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:31 am
by get it to x
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:17 am
get it to x wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:25 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.
So are you saying that "Age of Majority" is just some arbitrary number when defining older/younger sexual relations? Not sure what you mean by young adults? A 15 year old girl and a 24 year old man? The push to redefine pedophiles as "Minor Attracted Persons" should never be associated with adult/adult relationships in any way, gay, straight or otherwise.
I suspect you and I will agree on this one, not sure why you excerpted what I wrote.

However one wants to define "adult", (18, 21, 25-age when insurers give better rates) when there's a substantial age difference with someone under 18 there is an inherent power imbalance. There obviously can be other power imbalances in "relationships", but we're taking about pedophiles for this discussion.

How substantial an age difference?
Is an 18 year old boy and a 17 year old girl, or vice versa, too much, no IMO
18 and 16? (I don't think so), but hey, I met my future wife freshmen week in college, both freshmen, she's just "wicked smaht"...I was 2 months away from 19, she had just turned 17 weeks earlier. We were certainly physical quickly albeit we held off full relations for a good long while. Sure seemed long... So, that's my admittedly biased perspective on that age gap.
21 and 16? Yes, too much IMO.
25 and 16, you betcha....easily wrong.
My wife's college roommate was still "dating" a man, at that point in his 30's, the relationship had started when she'd been babysitting as a 14 year old...we were horrified...

32 and 9, string'em up by the balls....or whatever.

I certainly think that the 17 and 16 year old can and do "consent", likewise (but something I think is problematic) is the 15 and 14, even tougher the 14 and 13....but the bigger the gap between minors, the less likely that "consent" is equally informed. The younger any of them is, the less likely of full recognition of risks.

That said, it's important to understand that girls (in general) mature earlier than boys in this regard, so it's not unusual for the girl to be more aggressive in our current society. Teenage boys are less risk averse, but girls are more motivated by social acceptance. Just the ways the teenage brains develop differently. They end up very similarly, but the pattern is different along the development path...different parts of the brain literally light up when addressing various questions.

Totally agree that none of this has to do with sexual preference.
We don't 100% agree, but close. My views on 13 year old children having sex, no matter how young the partner is (or how "mature" they are in the case of girls) would probably be considered puritanical by some. I told my son when he was in 7th grade "If a girl says no, that means NO!.. And if a girl says yes, that means NO!".

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:49 am
by Farfromgeneva
a fan wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:12 am
old salt wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:11 am
a fan wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:54 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
You telling me that kids didn't have sex before 18 in your neck of the woods? Was that what YOU "ultimately wanted".

Or was "that different". ;)
Usually not with adults, when they're 9 years old.
How many friends did you have that had college kids with high school girlfriends?

Is this "grooming"? I say YES. How much more self aware is a 20 year old vs. a 16 or 17 year old? It's grooming, and it's illegal.

Yet no one does a thing about it. BOTH instances are bad AND illegal...that's my point.
I never cared for senior on freshman action that wasn’t uncommon in my neck of the woods. Meaning HS, I may be a POS (check that, I AM), but my bare min threshold was Soph and that wasn’t really my style anyways but not off limits.

But if you figure the girls who are FR and Sophs that are the ones at the parties and keggers in the woods (Hotchkiss forever!) are the most at risk and prone to being taken advantage of then that’s not a great way to reflect inwardly.

Or you could be like Jake the Snake Roberts parents, MAGA!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Roberts

Aurelian Smith Jr.[4] was born in Houston, Texas. His father, Aurelian "Grizzly" Smith (1932–2010), was also a wrestler, left his mother when she was 17 by which time she had given birth to another child. Roberts lived with his grandmother until she died in 1966, forcing him to move back to live with his father and his new wife. Roberts had a strained relationship with his pedophilic father,[5] and was sexually and physically abused by his stepmother during his childhood, which included vaginal penetration - his father was doing the same thing to his daughters (Aurelian Jr.'s sisters) too.[5] He has a half-brother, Michael Smith, and a half-sister, Robin Smith, both of whom also became wrestlers. During the late 1980s, all three wrestled at the same time for the WWF (now WWE).[6]

Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:51 am
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:17 am
get it to x wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:25 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:49 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:19 pm Is this what they ultimately want?

https://twitter.com/_barringtonii/statu ... p6_4JgXSkQ
Putting that aside, I do think young adults can and do consent to one another to have sex and none of that is automatically abuse. Teenage brains do not process risk tolerance as well as adult brains do, and hormones are ranging, so "consent" is not well-informed, but it's not abuse. The only instances of abuse is where there's a real power imbalance between them.
So are you saying that "Age of Majority" is just some arbitrary number when defining older/younger sexual relations? Not sure what you mean by young adults? A 15 year old girl and a 24 year old man? The push to redefine pedophiles as "Minor Attracted Persons" should never be associated with adult/adult relationships in any way, gay, straight or otherwise.
I suspect you and I will agree on this one, not sure why you excerpted what I wrote.

However one wants to define "adult", (18, 21, 25-age when insurers give better rates) when there's a substantial age difference with someone under 18 there is an inherent power imbalance. There obviously can be other power imbalances in "relationships", but we're taking about pedophiles for this discussion.

How substantial an age difference?
Is an 18 year old boy and a 17 year old girl, or vice versa, too much, no IMO
18 and 16? (I don't think so), but hey, I met my future wife freshmen week in college, both freshmen, she's just "wicked smaht"...I was 2 months away from 19, she had just turned 17 weeks earlier. We were certainly physical quickly albeit we held off full relations for a good long while. Sure seemed long... So, that's my admittedly biased perspective on that age gap.
21 and 16? Yes, too much IMO.
25 and 16, you betcha....easily wrong.
My wife's college roommate was still "dating" a man, at that point in his 30's, the relationship had started when she'd been babysitting as a 14 year old...we were horrified...

32 and 9, string'em up by the balls....or whatever.

I certainly think that the 17 and 16 year old can and do "consent", likewise (but something I think is problematic) is the 15 and 14, even tougher the 14 and 13....but the bigger the gap between minors, the less likely that "consent" is equally informed. The younger any of them is, the less likely of full recognition of risks.

That said, it's important to understand that girls (in general) mature earlier than boys in this regard, so it's not unusual for the girl to be more aggressive in our current society. Teenage boys are less risk averse, but girls are more motivated by social acceptance. Just the ways the teenage brains develop differently. They end up very similarly, but the pattern is different along the development path...different parts of the brain literally light up when addressing various questions.

Totally agree that none of this has to do with sexual preference.
Yeah boy! Get it get it get it!