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Raymond isn't the guy in my opinion. Probably a great dude and has brought a lot of good kids to campus, but no in-game adjustments and stubbornness when it comes to this GK situation cost them today.

Ted's "this is Hobart's 18th loss since 2019 season, and they had leads in 15 of those games" is damning. This progarm is just stagnant and maybe scholarships will help, but what's the point of staying in D1 if this is consistently what we get in "winnable" games?

Hobart supporter here, and I thought Dartmouth played well. They overcame a 6-goal deficit and hung 20 on the Statesmen.

FL-GO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:34 pm Raymond isn't the guy in my opinion. Probably a great dude and has brought a lot of good kids to campus, but no in-game adjustments and stubbornness when it comes to this GK situation cost them today.

Ted's "this is Hobart's 18th loss since 2019 season, and they had leads in 15 of those games" is damning. This progarm is just stagnant and maybe scholarships will help, but what's the point of staying in D1 if this is consistently what we get in "winnable" games?

Raymond is a good coach and has a lot of excellent qualities. His recruiting is fantastic. Recruiting in the modern day is way more difficult than in the past. More schools are involved and that’s why you’re not seeing teams like Syracuse and Hopkins (blue bloods of the past) dominate like they had. So I give him a lot of credit there.

Loukas cost us the game today, it’s that simple. Their goalie was no better, though. Everyone knows playing goalie in a dome is less than ideal. Still no excuse. He should’ve been pulled, and he wasn’t. I actually felt that Hobart played a great game. They battled and did some great things offensively and defensively. Give credit where it’s due, Dartmouth played really well. Their faceoff guy is excellent, and their wing play and just overall ground ball work is admirable. They embody a lot of the qualities typically seen in an Ivy League group.

Outside of Loukas, what adjustments needed to be made? Their defense played pretty well in a lot of spots I thought. Offensively, Hobart was excellent. I actually think there’s a lot of positives that came from a pretty heartbreaking loss.

You score 16 and it’s gotta be a W. Defense was supposed to be the strength of this team,, I don’t wanna place too much blame at Greg’s feet given the aforementioned difficulty in the recruiting area these days….but, I do think there are better X & O guys out there. That argument is for another day, right now it’s time to circle the wagons and figure out who we are…

The offense was very good. Bach had a breakout game. Scoring was distributed well after him. I've had doubts about Barthelme, but he's been playing great. The O is solid. With one or two exceptions in the second quarter, they stuck to their game plan and moved the ball well. There were not many failed individual heroics.
FO was tricky. The Dartmouth guy was really good, and there wing play was better than ours in the second half. Shea played well and if the refs had not been blind would have gotten a few more as a result of blatant pushes.
On D we made some really good stands. But we were completely inconsistent. We played like a top 20 D for 5 or 10 minutes, then fell apart. I saw simple failed slides, ball watching, and lack of awareness of the clock. The score says it all. No one should be putting 20 points on us ... 19 points in the last 3 quarters. I don't fault Loukas. A bunch of those shots were from point blank. Yeah, there were a couple he should have saved. But you can't hang 20 points on a goalie. That takes a team failure to accomplish.
We could have won today. We have equal talent to Dartmouth. But they held it together. They were the better team.

Thanks for the insight Laxgunea, Nice to see our “bigs” (Barthelme&Bach) take charge—Simas was notably absent…you’re right, 20gs with 19 in the last 3qtrs is awful, no matter how you slice it.

Wow, I am so glad that I did not travel to Geneva to watch this debacle. Is our defense historically bad or what? If there are 75 or so DI teams we must be around 76th in defense.

Sportin' Life wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:10 pm

cooperstef wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:58 pm Might be the black cleats, but Dartmouth looks horrible. Not a good team.

Huh. Last three quarters of play by the Big Green and the final score say otherwise. Hobart might want to try black cleats.

Time stamp. Somebody just forgot it’s a 60 min game.

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:29 pm

cooperstef wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:58 pm Might be the black cleats, but Dartmouth looks horrible. Not a good team.

What? 4-0. What is your definition of a good team?
Hmmm....beat everyone on your schedule but you are not a good team.
Are we living in an alternate universe?

Congrats to the "not a good team" Big Green on your 4-0 start.
Gobigred
Joewillie78

Right now we aren’t a good team.

PDSlax wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:43 pm Hobart supporter here, and I thought Dartmouth played well. They overcame a 6-goal deficit and hung 20 on the Statesmen.

To go with “name your score” 17 by cornell, 14 by Cansius, 12 by a weak
Offense RoMo and 19 by Lehigh. Noticing a trend here?

BigHoss wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:51 pm

FL-GO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:34 pm Raymond isn't the guy in my opinion. Probably a great dude and has brought a lot of good kids to campus, but no in-game adjustments and stubbornness when it comes to this GK situation cost them today.

Ted's "this is Hobart's 18th loss since 2019 season, and they had leads in 15 of those games" is damning. This progarm is just stagnant and maybe scholarships will help, but what's the point of staying in D1 if this is consistently what we get in "winnable" games?

Raymond is a good coach and has a lot of excellent qualities. His recruiting is fantastic. Recruiting in the modern day is way more difficult than in the past. More schools are involved and that’s why you’re not seeing teams like Syracuse and Hopkins (blue bloods of the past) dominate like they had. So I give him a lot of credit there.

Loukas cost us the game today, it’s that simple. Their goalie was no better, though. Everyone knows playing goalie in a dome is less than ideal. Still no excuse. He should’ve been pulled, and he wasn’t. I actually felt that Hobart played a great game. They battled and did some great things offensively and defensively. Give credit where it’s due, Dartmouth played really well. Their faceoff guy is excellent, and their wing play and just overall ground ball work is admirable. They embody a lot of the qualities typically seen in an Ivy League group.

Outside of Loukas, what adjustments needed to be made? Their defense played pretty well in a lot of spots I thought. Offensively, Hobart was excellent. I actually think there’s a lot of positives that came from a pretty heartbreaking loss.

Keep in mind the staff decided to demote 2yr starter Holtby and elect to start someone who got bombed in the second half of a game against Bryant last year and blow a lead in that game. I keep wondering if is brother is such a great pole is some strategy to keep the family happy or something. We also have the NJ goalie of the year on the roster.

Ketch wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:45 pm Wow, I am so glad that I did not travel to Geneva to watch this debacle. Is our defense historically bad or what? If there are 75 or so DI teams we must be around 76th in defense.

There’s always Hampton…

Seriously though HPU and Richmond are going to shred this defense. Spallina is going to even convince Lorin he’s the GOAT.

FMUBart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:19 pm Thanks for the insight Laxgunea, Nice to see our “bigs” (Barthelme&Bach) take charge—Simas was notably absent…you’re right, 20gs with 19 in the last 3qtrs is awful, no matter how you slice it.

No Herlihy or Simas but still put up 16 and lost by four.

LaxGuena, I disagree on Loukas. I'm sure the young man feels terrible now. Yes the defense let too many shooters fire away untouched in every game this season. That doesn't change the fact that Loukas is missing way too many shots. A 44.4% save rate doesn't fly for starting goalies in D I lax. On 2 of todays goals he had a clear view and was beaten high stickhand side, didn't even move. His flopping lead to another goal. When you flop and don't control the rebound it leads to easy goals as we saw today, against Lehigh, Cornell and even Canisius. It's time to give Holtby a shot. It can't get worse. Coach Fisher better get things straightened out. This has to be one of the highest goals against average the team has had to start the season EVER!!

The offense played great for the 1st 16 minutes, then went to sleep and didn't wake up/get their sh!t together till late Q3 . Dartmouths' faceoff line was excellent, They were way ahead of our guys on any GBs. There is only so much and obviously wounded Shea can do. Hope the next 10 day of allow him to get healthy. That goes for Herlihy and the rest of the players on the IR list. Not sure why Simas is not being more aggressive when it comes to shooting. We could use some of his explosiveness. Speaking of exploding... Where was this Chad Bach hiding? I don't think he has been injured. This is the player we all were hoping for. Same too for Barthelme. He is a totally different player now that he's healthy. Too bad he's a senior.


FMU is right, this team needs to figure out who it is. 2 more games before conference play, 1 being the guys holding the Kraus- Simmons trophy. We need to get that back.

The posting on this board is tough to read as a fan of the game. Hobart is a historically great program. Some brutal, anonymous back stabs on individual kids playing their butts off (even if in a losing effort) for your school.

Atticus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:51 pm The posting on this board is tough to read as a fan of the game. Hobart is a historically great program. Some brutal, anonymous back stabs on individual kids playing their butts off (even if in a losing effort) for your school.

Not back stabbing. Observing and relaying what I'm seeing. So are the other posters. That Hobart is a historically great program is why observers are writing these posts. I am sure all the players feel terrible about todays game. Dartmouth pulled it together and took control of a game this team should have had in hand, and let it go. Or am I missing something?

What happened with Holtby? I thought he was a very good goalie? He got benched?

Troy has been a really good player all along. Injuries have hampered him and he wasn’t quite ready when he was a sophomore, but he’s always been a good player. I think he’ll just keep getting more confident and he’ll keep producing. One thing I noticed about him today was he anticipated doubles well. Teams think he’s slow, so they double to his back and try to turn him. Today, he backed his defender down and either took a good shot, or got the ball out as the defense was rotating. He’s going to be a huge piece.

Whoever was posting about the “backstabbing”, the people posting here are avid fans of Hobart lacrosse. Go on other team’s lax powers and tell me how frequently people are posting and how passionate their posters are. Odds are, you won’t find much and there aren’t many fan bases better than Hobart’s in the entire country.

I’ve said it a few times, this is an excellent team… BUT, a mostly inexperienced team. We knew that going in. As frustrating as 3-3 might seem, it’s not as bad as you think. The exciting part is that this team hasn’t even played a full game yet. They are young, and I suspect that things are going to come together late in the year and they’ll be a dangerous team in the A10 tourney. Just my prediction.

Atticus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:51 pm The posting on this board is tough to read as a fan of the game. Hobart is a historically great program. Some brutal, anonymous back stabs on individual kids playing their butts off (even if in a losing effort) for your school.

And your name and relationship to anything here is?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:50 pm

BigHoss wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:51 pm

FL-GO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:34 pm Raymond isn't the guy in my opinion. Probably a great dude and has brought a lot of good kids to campus, but no in-game adjustments and stubbornness when it comes to this GK situation cost them today.

Ted's "this is Hobart's 18th loss since 2019 season, and they had leads in 15 of those games" is damning. This progarm is just stagnant and maybe scholarships will help, but what's the point of staying in D1 if this is consistently what we get in "winnable" games?

Raymond is a good coach and has a lot of excellent qualities. His recruiting is fantastic. Recruiting in the modern day is way more difficult than in the past. More schools are involved and that’s why you’re not seeing teams like Syracuse and Hopkins (blue bloods of the past) dominate like they had. So I give him a lot of credit there.

Loukas cost us the game today, it’s that simple. Their goalie was no better, though. Everyone knows playing goalie in a dome is less than ideal. Still no excuse. He should’ve been pulled, and he wasn’t. I actually felt that Hobart played a great game. They battled and did some great things offensively and defensively. Give credit where it’s due, Dartmouth played really well. Their faceoff guy is excellent, and their wing play and just overall ground ball work is admirable. They embody a lot of the qualities typically seen in an Ivy League group.

Outside of Loukas, what adjustments needed to be made? Their defense played pretty well in a lot of spots I thought. Offensively, Hobart was excellent. I actually think there’s a lot of positives that came from a pretty heartbreaking loss.

Keep in mind the staff decided to demote 2yr starter Holtby and elect to start someone who got bombed in the second half of a game against Bryant last year and blow a lead in that game. I keep wondering if is brother is such a great pole is some strategy to keep the family happy or something. We also have the NJ goalie of the year on the roster.

I am sure Raymond just flipped a coin on January 1 and it came up Loukas and he said...."ok, I'm good". Nothing else could have been a deciding factor. Would it make a difference if there was a switch? IDK but I have to believe there was a difference in what happened in practice for the switch to occur.