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HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:09 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:54 pm it always comes back to rutgers. they were the first team to do it

Why do Rutgers fans keep claiming this? It's not true. There was all sorts of transfer portal stuff already going on — Sowers, Robertson, Adler to Duke; Gray and McCarthy to UNC, Morrill, Cotler, and Ierlan to Denver; Thornton, Yorke, and Gallagher to Notre Dame; Bertrand to Virginia, the list goes on and on. Rutgers did not discover transfers any earlier than any other team did. What they have done is rely on the portal more than any other team. They brought in, what, 15 transfers this year?

that’s what i mean. now look at it and you have every team bringing in huge transfer classes.

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:18 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:09 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:54 pm it always comes back to rutgers. they were the first team to do it

Why do Rutgers fans keep claiming this? It's not true. There was all sorts of transfer portal stuff already going on — Sowers, Robertson, Adler to Duke; Gray and McCarthy to UNC, Morrill, Cotler, and Ierlan to Denver; Thornton, Yorke, and Gallagher to Notre Dame; Bertrand to Virginia, the list goes on and on. Rutgers did not discover transfers any earlier than any other team did. What they have done is rely on the portal more than any other team. They brought in, what, 15 transfers this year?

that’s what i mean. now look at it and you have every team bringing in huge transfer classes.

COVID opened up so many more players being in the portal but 16's point is schools have used transfers long before Rutgers started to. Desko was using them to keep SU propped up years before COVID by bringing in Ben Williams, Nick Mariano, Randy Staats, Brendan Bomberry and a host of others.

JeremyCuse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:37 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:18 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:09 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:54 pm it always comes back to rutgers. they were the first team to do it

Why do Rutgers fans keep claiming this? It's not true. There was all sorts of transfer portal stuff already going on — Sowers, Robertson, Adler to Duke; Gray and McCarthy to UNC, Morrill, Cotler, and Ierlan to Denver; Thornton, Yorke, and Gallagher to Notre Dame; Bertrand to Virginia, the list goes on and on. Rutgers did not discover transfers any earlier than any other team did. What they have done is rely on the portal more than any other team. They brought in, what, 15 transfers this year?

that’s what i mean. now look at it and you have every team bringing in huge transfer classes.

COVID opened up so many more players being in the portal but 16's point is schools have used transfers long before Rutgers started to. Desko was using them to keep SU propped up years before COVID by bringing in Ben Williams, Nick Mariano, Randy Staats, Brendan Bomberry and a host of others.

Staats wasnt a portal guy. He came from Ononadaga. JUCO guy. Cuse has always had a nice native American pipeline. Guys like Bomberry, Staats, and Scanlon.

coda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:39 am

JeremyCuse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:37 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:18 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:09 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:54 pm it always comes back to rutgers. they were the first team to do it

Why do Rutgers fans keep claiming this? It's not true. There was all sorts of transfer portal stuff already going on — Sowers, Robertson, Adler to Duke; Gray and McCarthy to UNC, Morrill, Cotler, and Ierlan to Denver; Thornton, Yorke, and Gallagher to Notre Dame; Bertrand to Virginia, the list goes on and on. Rutgers did not discover transfers any earlier than any other team did. What they have done is rely on the portal more than any other team. They brought in, what, 15 transfers this year?

that’s what i mean. now look at it and you have every team bringing in huge transfer classes.

COVID opened up so many more players being in the portal but 16's point is schools have used transfers long before Rutgers started to. Desko was using them to keep SU propped up years before COVID by bringing in Ben Williams, Nick Mariano, Randy Staats, Brendan Bomberry and a host of others.

Staats wasnt a portal guy. He came from Ononadaga. JUCO guy. Cuse has always had a nice native American pipeline. Guys like Bomberry, Staats, and Scanlon.

Correct he was a transfer from OCC, but back then there was no portal, just players who announced they were transferring. Cuse definitely had a good pipeline going with Native players ie Jeremy Thompson, Bucktooth, Sid Smith, Abrams, Staats, Bomberry just to name a few. SU has Brett Bucktooth Jr coming in this fall and Trey Deere will be a Sophomore. Still a lot of untapped Native American talent that could excel playing D1 lacrosse but eligibility issues are still a problem though it's gotten better.

coda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:39 am

JeremyCuse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:37 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:18 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:09 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:54 pm it always comes back to rutgers. they were the first team to do it

Why do Rutgers fans keep claiming this? It's not true. There was all sorts of transfer portal stuff already going on — Sowers, Robertson, Adler to Duke; Gray and McCarthy to UNC, Morrill, Cotler, and Ierlan to Denver; Thornton, Yorke, and Gallagher to Notre Dame; Bertrand to Virginia, the list goes on and on. Rutgers did not discover transfers any earlier than any other team did. What they have done is rely on the portal more than any other team. They brought in, what, 15 transfers this year?

that’s what i mean. now look at it and you have every team bringing in huge transfer classes.

COVID opened up so many more players being in the portal but 16's point is schools have used transfers long before Rutgers started to. Desko was using them to keep SU propped up years before COVID by bringing in Ben Williams, Nick Mariano, Randy Staats, Brendan Bomberry and a host of others.

Staats wasnt a portal guy. He came from Ononadaga. JUCO guy. Cuse has always had a nice native American pipeline. Guys like Bomberry, Staats, and Scanlon.

that's the same thing with respect to the arriving team. only difference is harvard on the hill wasn't expecting more years out of them.
and no, rutgers was not the 1st team to do it. nor does every team bring in huge transfer classes.

however, the question for now and transfers is whether it's become more normalized in the covid era.
to me, here are the things that dictate that:
- for 2025 and going forward, are we now in the wash of undeveloped, or at least untested, players because of all the grad transferring?
- these coaches have shown they are lemmings with early recruiting. which type teams have the greatest success, because it's a copycat ecosystem?
- how successful in toto are the transfers that are coming up thru mid-major u? not just production, but effects on the locker room, the transfers out, and of course year end results?

roster sizes and recruit classes are in there somewhere, tho outside forces will dictate that.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:09 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:54 pm it always comes back to rutgers. they were the first team to do it

Why do Rutgers fans keep claiming this? It's not true. There was all sorts of transfer portal stuff already going on — Sowers, Robertson, Adler to Duke; Gray and McCarthy to UNC, Morrill, Cotler, and Ierlan to Denver; Thornton, Yorke, and Gallagher to Notre Dame; Bertrand to Virginia, the list goes on and on. Rutgers did not discover transfers any earlier than any other team did. What they have done is rely on the portal more than any other team. They brought in, what, 15 transfers this year?

15 lol. That's crazy. The transfer lore around Rutgers continues to grow and grow.

But yea, Coach Brecht was ahead of the game.

It seems the anti portal crowd is starting to come around on the portal. Except that Lorin guy. He must hate almost every single school in college lacrosse now.

The portal is likely to continue to be very active on a moving forward basis. Coaches covet players that have proven themselves on smaller stages of D1 lacrosse than they do most high school players. Older guys with experience are much less of a risk.

We will continue to see what we are seeing now. A migration of mid major players (and some top tier to top tier) to the bigger leagues. It's happening in every sport and lacrosse is no different. The only thing that might stem that tide is NCAA regulations, but they've shown no penchant for doing such. If anything, they are making it easier to transfer. This is all simply the world of recruiting now, for better or worse.

With the advent of NIL it's only going to get worse and worse or better and better depending on your perspective.

DM

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:48 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:09 am

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:54 pm it always comes back to rutgers. they were the first team to do it

Why do Rutgers fans keep claiming this? It's not true. There was all sorts of transfer portal stuff already going on — Sowers, Robertson, Adler to Duke; Gray and McCarthy to UNC, Morrill, Cotler, and Ierlan to Denver; Thornton, Yorke, and Gallagher to Notre Dame; Bertrand to Virginia, the list goes on and on. Rutgers did not discover transfers any earlier than any other team did. What they have done is rely on the portal more than any other team. They brought in, what, 15 transfers this year?

15 lol. That's crazy. The transfer lore around Rutgers continues to grow and grow.

Soutar
Kelly
Edwards
Rizzotti
Howard
Hund
Brams
Sidorski
Hubbard
Krummenacher
Gourdeau
Fagan
Sommer
McDonough (back in the portal)
Germain

That's 15. I get being embarrassed about that number (especially because most of these guys were duds), but there's no need to gaslight.

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:55 pm The portal is likely to continue to be very active on a moving forward basis. Coaches covet players that have proven themselves on smaller stages of D1 lacrosse than they do most high school players. Older guys with experience are much less of a risk.

We will continue to see what we are seeing now. A migration of mid major players (and some top tier to top tier) to the bigger leagues. It's happening in every sport and lacrosse is no different. The only thing that might stem that tide is NCAA regulations, but they've shown no penchant for doing such. If anything, they are making it easier to transfer. This is all simply the world of recruiting now, for better or worse.

With the advent of NIL it's only going to get worse and worse or better and better depending on your perspective.

it's gonna go any kind of way. don't believe anyone knows. not even the coaches.

I stand corrected. Like any real man, I can admit it.

Some around here should take note.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:27 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:55 pm The portal is likely to continue to be very active on a moving forward basis. Coaches covet players that have proven themselves on smaller stages of D1 lacrosse than they do most high school players. Older guys with experience are much less of a risk.

We will continue to see what we are seeing now. A migration of mid major players (and some top tier to top tier) to the bigger leagues. It's happening in every sport and lacrosse is no different. The only thing that might stem that tide is NCAA regulations, but they've shown no penchant for doing such. If anything, they are making it easier to transfer. This is all simply the world of recruiting now, for better or worse.

With the advent of NIL it's only going to get worse and worse or better and better depending on your perspective.

it's gonna go any kind of way. don't believe anyone knows. not even the coaches.

I think the writing is on the wall. Guys that have performed at places like mid majors are going to get opportunities on bigger stages. It's going to be the odd player who is going to choose not to go that route. It doesn't hurt that the schools in the big boy leagues are often better academically than those in the mid major space too. Players are always going to want to play on that stage if they can and it's never been easier to do so than right now. Will that change? Maybe the NCAA will try to regulate more stringently, but that certainly doesn't appear to be happening now.

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:31 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:27 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:55 pm The portal is likely to continue to be very active on a moving forward basis. Coaches covet players that have proven themselves on smaller stages of D1 lacrosse than they do most high school players. Older guys with experience are much less of a risk.

We will continue to see what we are seeing now. A migration of mid major players (and some top tier to top tier) to the bigger leagues. It's happening in every sport and lacrosse is no different. The only thing that might stem that tide is NCAA regulations, but they've shown no penchant for doing such. If anything, they are making it easier to transfer. This is all simply the world of recruiting now, for better or worse.

With the advent of NIL it's only going to get worse and worse or better and better depending on your perspective.

it's gonna go any kind of way. don't believe anyone knows. not even the coaches.

I think the writing is on the wall. Guys that have performed at places like mid majors are going to get opportunities on bigger stages. It's going to be the odd player who is going to choose not to go that route. It doesn't hurt that the schools in the big boy leagues are often better academically than those in the mid major space too. Players are always going to want to play on that stage if they can and it's never been easier to do so than right now. Will that change? Maybe the NCAA will try to regulate more stringently, but that certainly doesn't appear to be happening now.

the nc$$ is not going to be able to regulate more stringently unless somehow lacrosse players are placed in that bin thru collective bargaining. that does not mean that mid-major stars are going to have carte blanche to take up all the field space as juniors and seniors at "better schools". or that the best players are going to be recruited to mid major u vs. the p4s for their 1st couple years of seasoning. we... are... in... the... 1st.... inning.

but.... speculate away!

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:31 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:27 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:55 pm The portal is likely to continue to be very active on a moving forward basis. Coaches covet players that have proven themselves on smaller stages of D1 lacrosse than they do most high school players. Older guys with experience are much less of a risk.

We will continue to see what we are seeing now. A migration of mid major players (and some top tier to top tier) to the bigger leagues. It's happening in every sport and lacrosse is no different. The only thing that might stem that tide is NCAA regulations, but they've shown no penchant for doing such. If anything, they are making it easier to transfer. This is all simply the world of recruiting now, for better or worse.

With the advent of NIL it's only going to get worse and worse or better and better depending on your perspective.

it's gonna go any kind of way. don't believe anyone knows. not even the coaches.

I think the writing is on the wall. Guys that have performed at places like mid majors are going to get opportunities on bigger stages. It's going to be the odd player who is going to choose not to go that route. It doesn't hurt that the schools in the big boy leagues are often better academically than those in the mid major space too. Players are always going to want to play on that stage if they can and it's never been easier to do so than right now. Will that change? Maybe the NCAA will try to regulate more stringently, but that certainly doesn't appear to be happening now.

There will be a give and take as school simply won't be able to bring in large portal classes year in and year out. Last year Cuse and a few others brought in fairly large portal classes while schools like Maryland, UNC, UVA and a few others only brought in a select few. This year SU and PSU have 1 portal commit while Maryland and Duke and UNC are trying to load up and UVA is somewhere in the middle. It's going to ebb and flow from year to year as teams won't be able to crush it in recruiting and then bring in an 8 man portal haul. NIL and roster sizes won't allow it.

If anything NIL is going to increase roster sizes for the foreseeable future. At least with scholarship level athletes.

NIL is being used to circumvent the 12.6 scholarship limit. The only real question is how far do alums/boosters want to take it at various schools.

Fun look at Shane Knobloch with Mitchell Pehlke

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jyl7AsTsaw4

Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread before but I would create the argument that Coach Brecht goes a bit too hard in the portal. Having a fourth of the team consist of new faces each year has to be demoralizing for the players that have already been there 3 or 4 years. I understand the thought process of not letting a talented transfer prospect go by, but there needs to be a line drawn. While the Big 10 in general relies on transfers, Rutgers can't keep reloading year after year while teams like Penn State carefully develop players. The ceiling can only be so high when you bring in solid 1 year players rather than developing what you have. Losing young studs like Palmer and Remi Reynolds in part due to the influx of transfers, doesn't help the long term vision.

slumdogmillionaire wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:33 am Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread before but I would create the argument that Coach Brecht goes a bit too hard in the portal. Having a fourth of the team consist of new faces each year has to be demoralizing for the players that have already been there 3 or 4 years. I understand the thought process of not letting a talented transfer prospect go by, but there needs to be a line drawn. While the Big 10 in general relies on transfers, Rutgers can't keep reloading year after year while teams like Penn State carefully develop players. The ceiling can only be so high when you bring in solid 1 year players rather than developing what you have. Losing young studs like Palmer and Remi Reynolds in part due to the influx of transfers, doesn't help the long term vision.

I would have my kid go D4 over Rutgers,

slumdogmillionaire wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:33 am Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread before but I would create the argument that Coach Brecht goes a bit too hard in the portal. Having a fourth of the team consist of new faces each year has to be demoralizing for the players that have already been there 3 or 4 years. I understand the thought process of not letting a talented transfer prospect go by, but there needs to be a line drawn. While the Big 10 in general relies on transfers, Rutgers can't keep reloading year after year while teams like Penn State carefully develop players. The ceiling can only be so high when you bring in solid 1 year players rather than developing what you have. Losing young studs like Palmer and Remi Reynolds in part due to the influx of transfers, doesn't help the long term vision.

I am no expert on Rutgers, but the school appears not as popular with the top high school kids as many of their competitor schools. That might be academic reputation, location, social life, etc, etc. Who knows? As a result, Brecht needs to get players from wherever he can. I am not sure what can be done about it, but they certainly are making an effort.

slumdogmillionaire wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:33 am Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread before but I would create the argument that Coach Brecht goes a bit too hard in the portal. Having a fourth of the team consist of new faces each year has to be demoralizing for the players that have already been there 3 or 4 years. I understand the thought process of not letting a talented transfer prospect go by, but there needs to be a line drawn. While the Big 10 in general relies on transfers, Rutgers can't keep reloading year after year while teams like Penn State carefully develop players. The ceiling can only be so high when you bring in solid 1 year players rather than developing what you have. Losing young studs like Palmer and Remi Reynolds in part due to the influx of transfers, doesn't help the long term vision.

Reynolds left because he didn't want to play shortstick. The LSM position got taken by Splaine who is a HS recruit. Palmer? Sometimes things aren't lacrosse related. This is one of those cases. Good luck to him.