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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:58 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:53 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:26 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:13 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:36 am Tech, I am not a Fauci hater, but agree. If this was a fortune 500 business trying to accomplish the mission, he'd have to step aside. At this point he's a distraction and hindering the mission.

This depends on one's point of view apparently. I know it is a poll, with all of the relative uncertainty there is with polls, but confidence is still high -- unless you listen to and read right wing media:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/us/f ... sinfo.html

"Trust in the U.S. federal health agencies responding to the coronavirus pandemic remains strong among a significant sector of the American public, according to a survey from the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, but Americans place their deepest faith closer to home.

In a telephone poll of 1,719 adults, 76 percent reported being somewhat or very confident in the trustworthiness of information about Covid-19 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and 77 percent expressed the same confidence about the Food and Drug Administration. Both results, from a survey conducted from June 2 to 22, were largely unchanged from an April poll.

Respondents’ highest confidence, at 83 percent, was reserved for their primary health care provider. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

The agencies have been the targets of frequent criticism over their responses to the pandemic on an evolving variety of frequently politicized topics including testing guidelines, testing accessibility, vaccines, masks, school safety and more.

The survey also found that 68 percent of participants believed that Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s foremost infectious disease specialist, provided trustworthy advice on the pandemic. Dr. Fauci has come under repeated attack from conservative media figures like Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson of Fox News.

In the survey, respondents who relied on conservative media were found to have a lower level of confidence in the health agencies and Dr. Fauci. Only 38 percent of consumers of what the survey called “very conservative media,” for instance, said they had confidence in Dr. Fauci, compared with 84 percent of consumers of “broadcast-newspaper mainstream” media.

The data comes as the U.S. vaccination rate stagnates and the country struggles with a rising number of cases, particularly in states with fewer vaccinated residents, while at the same time the highly infectious Delta variant is spreading.

The survey also found that confidence remained high in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, with 78 percent of respondents believing “definitely or probably” that they were effective in preventing Covid-19."

From a purely pragmatic view:
The goal is to accomplish the mission. Get people who are unvaccinated to vax. People who are already vaccinated are likely going to listen to whoever is up there. Those who haven't vaccinated have a large contingent that don't fully trust Fauci or may be skeptical of him.
You cant replace the president. You can replace Fauci.

I don't disagree with the proposition "You can replace Fauci." I just think placing another scientist in the role will just result in her or his vilification by the Well-Known-A**holes. What I wonder is how many unvaccinated people are out there who now can be convinced to get the jab. If you look at the timeline, we may well be down to the core of anti-vax and untrusting folks who require either relatively coercive measures (you want a job, gotta get the shots), or who need accommodations in the workplace (remote, even if they don't want it). I just don't think Dr. Fauci is the problem here.

It happens in other roles that shouldn't be politicized but are.
If you really want to get it done, find an across-the-aisle option to push to the podium. Move Fauci to a behind the scenes role.

There is no such qualified "across the aisle" scientist at this point.
For instance, Trump appointee Gottlieb would be no more trusted than Fauci.

There's no partisanship among the actual scientists.
And none of them are going to tell the anti-vaxers what they want to hear.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:03 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:58 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:53 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:26 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:13 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:36 am Tech, I am not a Fauci hater, but agree. If this was a fortune 500 business trying to accomplish the mission, he'd have to step aside. At this point he's a distraction and hindering the mission.

This depends on one's point of view apparently. I know it is a poll, with all of the relative uncertainty there is with polls, but confidence is still high -- unless you listen to and read right wing media:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/us/f ... sinfo.html

"Trust in the U.S. federal health agencies responding to the coronavirus pandemic remains strong among a significant sector of the American public, according to a survey from the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, but Americans place their deepest faith closer to home.

In a telephone poll of 1,719 adults, 76 percent reported being somewhat or very confident in the trustworthiness of information about Covid-19 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and 77 percent expressed the same confidence about the Food and Drug Administration. Both results, from a survey conducted from June 2 to 22, were largely unchanged from an April poll.

Respondents’ highest confidence, at 83 percent, was reserved for their primary health care provider. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

The agencies have been the targets of frequent criticism over their responses to the pandemic on an evolving variety of frequently politicized topics including testing guidelines, testing accessibility, vaccines, masks, school safety and more.

The survey also found that 68 percent of participants believed that Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s foremost infectious disease specialist, provided trustworthy advice on the pandemic. Dr. Fauci has come under repeated attack from conservative media figures like Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson of Fox News.

In the survey, respondents who relied on conservative media were found to have a lower level of confidence in the health agencies and Dr. Fauci. Only 38 percent of consumers of what the survey called “very conservative media,” for instance, said they had confidence in Dr. Fauci, compared with 84 percent of consumers of “broadcast-newspaper mainstream” media.

The data comes as the U.S. vaccination rate stagnates and the country struggles with a rising number of cases, particularly in states with fewer vaccinated residents, while at the same time the highly infectious Delta variant is spreading.

The survey also found that confidence remained high in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, with 78 percent of respondents believing “definitely or probably” that they were effective in preventing Covid-19."

From a purely pragmatic view:
The goal is to accomplish the mission. Get people who are unvaccinated to vax. People who are already vaccinated are likely going to listen to whoever is up there. Those who haven't vaccinated have a large contingent that don't fully trust Fauci or may be skeptical of him.
You cant replace the president. You can replace Fauci.

I don't disagree with the proposition "You can replace Fauci." I just think placing another scientist in the role will just result in her or his vilification by the Well-Known-A**holes. What I wonder is how many unvaccinated people are out there who now can be convinced to get the jab. If you look at the timeline, we may well be down to the core of anti-vax and untrusting folks who require either relatively coercive measures (you want a job, gotta get the shots), or who need accommodations in the workplace (remote, even if they don't want it). I just don't think Dr. Fauci is the problem here.

It happens in other roles that shouldn't be politicized but are.
If you really want to get it done, find an across-the-aisle option to push to the podium. Move Fauci to a behind the scenes role.

There is no such qualified "across the aisle" scientist at this point.
For instance, Trump appointee Gottlieb would be no more trusted than Fauci.

There's no partisanship among the actual scientists.
And none of them are going to tell the anti-vaxers what they want to hear.

Agreed. I just don't know who this person could be and, if they vigorously advance vaccination, how they survive America's Disinformation Daily Dose.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:27 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:03 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:58 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:53 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:26 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:13 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:36 am Tech, I am not a Fauci hater, but agree. If this was a fortune 500 business trying to accomplish the mission, he'd have to step aside. At this point he's a distraction and hindering the mission.

This depends on one's point of view apparently. I know it is a poll, with all of the relative uncertainty there is with polls, but confidence is still high -- unless you listen to and read right wing media:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/us/f ... sinfo.html

"Trust in the U.S. federal health agencies responding to the coronavirus pandemic remains strong among a significant sector of the American public, according to a survey from the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, but Americans place their deepest faith closer to home.

In a telephone poll of 1,719 adults, 76 percent reported being somewhat or very confident in the trustworthiness of information about Covid-19 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and 77 percent expressed the same confidence about the Food and Drug Administration. Both results, from a survey conducted from June 2 to 22, were largely unchanged from an April poll.

Respondents’ highest confidence, at 83 percent, was reserved for their primary health care provider. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

The agencies have been the targets of frequent criticism over their responses to the pandemic on an evolving variety of frequently politicized topics including testing guidelines, testing accessibility, vaccines, masks, school safety and more.

The survey also found that 68 percent of participants believed that Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s foremost infectious disease specialist, provided trustworthy advice on the pandemic. Dr. Fauci has come under repeated attack from conservative media figures like Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson of Fox News.

In the survey, respondents who relied on conservative media were found to have a lower level of confidence in the health agencies and Dr. Fauci. Only 38 percent of consumers of what the survey called “very conservative media,” for instance, said they had confidence in Dr. Fauci, compared with 84 percent of consumers of “broadcast-newspaper mainstream” media.

The data comes as the U.S. vaccination rate stagnates and the country struggles with a rising number of cases, particularly in states with fewer vaccinated residents, while at the same time the highly infectious Delta variant is spreading.

The survey also found that confidence remained high in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, with 78 percent of respondents believing “definitely or probably” that they were effective in preventing Covid-19."

From a purely pragmatic view:
The goal is to accomplish the mission. Get people who are unvaccinated to vax. People who are already vaccinated are likely going to listen to whoever is up there. Those who haven't vaccinated have a large contingent that don't fully trust Fauci or may be skeptical of him.
You cant replace the president. You can replace Fauci.

I don't disagree with the proposition "You can replace Fauci." I just think placing another scientist in the role will just result in her or his vilification by the Well-Known-A**holes. What I wonder is how many unvaccinated people are out there who now can be convinced to get the jab. If you look at the timeline, we may well be down to the core of anti-vax and untrusting folks who require either relatively coercive measures (you want a job, gotta get the shots), or who need accommodations in the workplace (remote, even if they don't want it). I just don't think Dr. Fauci is the problem here.

It happens in other roles that shouldn't be politicized but are.
If you really want to get it done, find an across-the-aisle option to push to the podium. Move Fauci to a behind the scenes role.

There is no such qualified "across the aisle" scientist at this point.
For instance, Trump appointee Gottlieb would be no more trusted than Fauci.

There's no partisanship among the actual scientists.
And none of them are going to tell the anti-vaxers what they want to hear.

Agreed. I just don't know who this person could be and, if they vigorously advance vaccination, how they survive America's Disinformation Daily Dose.

So the common denominator is that no one knows everything.....well, except MDLAX Yea, he could do it.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:27 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:03 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:58 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:53 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:26 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:13 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:36 am Tech, I am not a Fauci hater, but agree. If this was a fortune 500 business trying to accomplish the mission, he'd have to step aside. At this point he's a distraction and hindering the mission.

This depends on one's point of view apparently. I know it is a poll, with all of the relative uncertainty there is with polls, but confidence is still high -- unless you listen to and read right wing media:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/us/f ... sinfo.html

"Trust in the U.S. federal health agencies responding to the coronavirus pandemic remains strong among a significant sector of the American public, according to a survey from the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, but Americans place their deepest faith closer to home.

In a telephone poll of 1,719 adults, 76 percent reported being somewhat or very confident in the trustworthiness of information about Covid-19 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and 77 percent expressed the same confidence about the Food and Drug Administration. Both results, from a survey conducted from June 2 to 22, were largely unchanged from an April poll.

Respondents’ highest confidence, at 83 percent, was reserved for their primary health care provider. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

The agencies have been the targets of frequent criticism over their responses to the pandemic on an evolving variety of frequently politicized topics including testing guidelines, testing accessibility, vaccines, masks, school safety and more.

The survey also found that 68 percent of participants believed that Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s foremost infectious disease specialist, provided trustworthy advice on the pandemic. Dr. Fauci has come under repeated attack from conservative media figures like Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson of Fox News.

In the survey, respondents who relied on conservative media were found to have a lower level of confidence in the health agencies and Dr. Fauci. Only 38 percent of consumers of what the survey called “very conservative media,” for instance, said they had confidence in Dr. Fauci, compared with 84 percent of consumers of “broadcast-newspaper mainstream” media.

The data comes as the U.S. vaccination rate stagnates and the country struggles with a rising number of cases, particularly in states with fewer vaccinated residents, while at the same time the highly infectious Delta variant is spreading.

The survey also found that confidence remained high in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, with 78 percent of respondents believing “definitely or probably” that they were effective in preventing Covid-19."

From a purely pragmatic view:
The goal is to accomplish the mission. Get people who are unvaccinated to vax. People who are already vaccinated are likely going to listen to whoever is up there. Those who haven't vaccinated have a large contingent that don't fully trust Fauci or may be skeptical of him.
You cant replace the president. You can replace Fauci.

I don't disagree with the proposition "You can replace Fauci." I just think placing another scientist in the role will just result in her or his vilification by the Well-Known-A**holes. What I wonder is how many unvaccinated people are out there who now can be convinced to get the jab. If you look at the timeline, we may well be down to the core of anti-vax and untrusting folks who require either relatively coercive measures (you want a job, gotta get the shots), or who need accommodations in the workplace (remote, even if they don't want it). I just don't think Dr. Fauci is the problem here.

It happens in other roles that shouldn't be politicized but are.
If you really want to get it done, find an across-the-aisle option to push to the podium. Move Fauci to a behind the scenes role.

There is no such qualified "across the aisle" scientist at this point.
For instance, Trump appointee Gottlieb would be no more trusted than Fauci.

There's no partisanship among the actual scientists.
And none of them are going to tell the anti-vaxers what they want to hear.

Agreed. I just don't know who this person could be and, if they vigorously advance vaccination, how they survive America's Disinformation Daily Dose.

So the common denominator is that no one knows everything.....well, except MDLAX Yea, he could do it.

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I disagree a fan. Fauci is a big problem because he lost the confidence of, IMO, the majority of Americans with his early lies re masks and subsequent evasiveness/obfuscation re Wuhan lab funding and GOF research. His demeanor alone gets in the way of confidence building. His claim that, questioning him is questioning science itself, is the epitome of hubris. In general, how do you think that went over with the public? Fauci's poor messaging and lying wasn't enough to deter my personal risk/benefit analysis re vaccination, but I can see how/why it might other people or at least increased their skepticism in general. If the admin's prime objective was/is to get everyone vaxxed based upon people's assuredness, Fauci should have been taken out of the loop early on when he first lied about masks.

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I also disagree that saying "we don't know" is a negative. If someone trustworthy and on a consistent basis comes out to say, here's what we know, here's what we think we know, and here's what we don't know, that transparency/honesty might have made a difference. This is hindsight of course and I'm afraid it's to late for that sort of clear messaging.

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I agree with others that the current incredible message being conveyed, that illegal immigrants are not required to get vaccinated, is a jaw-dropper. Good luck getting Covid anti-vaxx Americans on board with that sort of policy/messaging.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:29 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I disagree a fan. Fauci is a big problem because he lost the confidence of, IMO, the majority of Americans with his early lies re masks and subsequent evasiveness/obfuscation re Wuhan lab funding and GOF research. His demeanor alone gets in the way of confidence building. His claim that, questioning him is questioning science itself, is the epitome of hubris. In general, how do you think that went over with the public? Fauci's poor messaging and lying wasn't enough to deter my personal risk/benefit analysis re vaccination, but I can see how/why it might other people or at least increased their skepticism in general. If the admin's prime objective was/is to get everyone vaxxed based upon people's assuredness, Fauci should have been taken out of the loop early on when he first lied about masks.

Ok. So who's fault is that? Trump, right? So you're telling me this is Trump's fault, correct? Fire Fauci, and find a better communicator.

My opinion is you could have put G*d himself in that position and it wouldn't make a lick of difference-----right wing Media and R governors undermined every word Fauci uttered 24/7. Where are you on their culpability?

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I also disagree that saying "we don't know" is a negative. If someone trustworthy and on a consistent basis comes out to say, here's what we know, here's what we think we know, and here's what we don't know, that transparency/honesty might have made a difference. This is hindsight of course and I'm afraid it's to late for that sort of clear messaging.

Correct again. And who was in charge, and on a scale of 1-10, how trustworthy would you say Donald Trump is?

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I agree with others that the current incredible message being conveyed, that illegal immigrants are not required to get vaccinated, is a jaw-dropper. Good luck getting Covid anti-vaxx Americans on board with that sort of policy/messaging.

Agree 1000%. Inexcusable. Right up there with hammering businesses and citizens with restrictions on gatherings----and then having dinner at the French Laundry (Calif Gov) or hopping on plane from Denver to Houston to see your family (Denver Mayor).

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:40 am Plenty of Left wing media (which you said doesn't exist )

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:40 am followed Faucis flaws. Plenty. Same with plenty of Dems in Congress.

Fauci lied about funding Wuhaan (sp), it turns out. "

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:52 am

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:40 am Plenty of Left wing media (which you said doesn't exist )

Nope. For the 1000th time, I said that the multinational corporations who own our media broadcast the American center, not the left. And it's laughable to say otherwise. Sure, Corporations are bomb throwing lefty-hippies....makes perfect sense.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:40 am followed Faucis flaws. Plenty. Same with plenty of Dems in Congress.

Fauci lied about funding Wuhaan (sp), it turns out. "

Great. So why wasn't he fired? Now it's on Trump. You going to blame Trump for keeping a "liar" on staff?

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm Trump, nor Biden, can fire Fauci. Fact. He is not "on staff" with the potusa's office...savy.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm why you insist on ignoring civil servants and job protection is beyond me.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm Only right wing media.....no left.....got it.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:14 pm
We don't have left wing media on a large scale.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:14 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm Trump, nor Biden, can fire Fauci. Fact. He is not "on staff" with the potusa's office...savy.

Sure, if you want to split hairs......they can't fire him from his position...we've discussed this before. But they can move him anywhere they please, so long as he collects the same paycheck. There is no law that forces Trump or Biden to give the guy a microphone.

But then you know that. Because you know everything, and the rest of us are dumb.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm why you insist on ignoring civil servants and job protection is beyond me.

Because I don't want to play dumb. But you're welcome to do that.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm Only right wing media.....no left.....got it.

We don't have left wing media on a large scale. But sure, go ahead and tell me that MSNBC serves your needs as a lefty.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm

Stop using absolutism verbage, if you don't want to consider yourself a know it all.

I am not the one posting divisive, hate filled articles and links......... us vs them.

Declarative statements about segments of our population. Don't want to be called a know it all ? Maybe, listen to why people may want to rationalize NOT getting the vaxx, without adding political sauce.

Factually, you have disagreed with very, very little.

It's just politics and personalities.

Who do you like ?

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:22 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:14 pm
We don't have left wing media on a large scale.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:27 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:03 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:58 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:53 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:26 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:13 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:36 am Tech, I am not a Fauci hater, but agree. If this was a fortune 500 business trying to accomplish the mission, he'd have to step aside. At this point he's a distraction and hindering the mission.

This depends on one's point of view apparently. I know it is a poll, with all of the relative uncertainty there is with polls, but confidence is still high -- unless you listen to and read right wing media:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/us/f ... sinfo.html

"Trust in the U.S. federal health agencies responding to the coronavirus pandemic remains strong among a significant sector of the American public, according to a survey from the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, but Americans place their deepest faith closer to home.

In a telephone poll of 1,719 adults, 76 percent reported being somewhat or very confident in the trustworthiness of information about Covid-19 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and 77 percent expressed the same confidence about the Food and Drug Administration. Both results, from a survey conducted from June 2 to 22, were largely unchanged from an April poll.

Respondents’ highest confidence, at 83 percent, was reserved for their primary health care provider. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

The agencies have been the targets of frequent criticism over their responses to the pandemic on an evolving variety of frequently politicized topics including testing guidelines, testing accessibility, vaccines, masks, school safety and more.

The survey also found that 68 percent of participants believed that Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s foremost infectious disease specialist, provided trustworthy advice on the pandemic. Dr. Fauci has come under repeated attack from conservative media figures like Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson of Fox News.

In the survey, respondents who relied on conservative media were found to have a lower level of confidence in the health agencies and Dr. Fauci. Only 38 percent of consumers of what the survey called “very conservative media,” for instance, said they had confidence in Dr. Fauci, compared with 84 percent of consumers of “broadcast-newspaper mainstream” media.

The data comes as the U.S. vaccination rate stagnates and the country struggles with a rising number of cases, particularly in states with fewer vaccinated residents, while at the same time the highly infectious Delta variant is spreading.

The survey also found that confidence remained high in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, with 78 percent of respondents believing “definitely or probably” that they were effective in preventing Covid-19."

From a purely pragmatic view:
The goal is to accomplish the mission. Get people who are unvaccinated to vax. People who are already vaccinated are likely going to listen to whoever is up there. Those who haven't vaccinated have a large contingent that don't fully trust Fauci or may be skeptical of him.
You cant replace the president. You can replace Fauci.

I don't disagree with the proposition "You can replace Fauci." I just think placing another scientist in the role will just result in her or his vilification by the Well-Known-A**holes. What I wonder is how many unvaccinated people are out there who now can be convinced to get the jab. If you look at the timeline, we may well be down to the core of anti-vax and untrusting folks who require either relatively coercive measures (you want a job, gotta get the shots), or who need accommodations in the workplace (remote, even if they don't want it). I just don't think Dr. Fauci is the problem here.

It happens in other roles that shouldn't be politicized but are.
If you really want to get it done, find an across-the-aisle option to push to the podium. Move Fauci to a behind the scenes role.

There is no such qualified "across the aisle" scientist at this point.
For instance, Trump appointee Gottlieb would be no more trusted than Fauci.

There's no partisanship among the actual scientists.
And none of them are going to tell the anti-vaxers what they want to hear.

Agreed. I just don't know who this person could be and, if they vigorously advance vaccination, how they survive America's Disinformation Daily Dose.

So the common denominator is that no one knows everything.....well, except MDLAX Yea, he could do it.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:23 pm
Stop using absolutism verbage, if you don't want to consider yourself a know it all.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:07 am seacoaster is not partisan.....so he says, but enjoys telling the other side they are.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:29 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I disagree a fan. Fauci is a big problem because he lost the confidence of, IMO, the majority of Americans with his early lies re masks and subsequent evasiveness/obfuscation re Wuhan lab funding and GOF research. His demeanor alone gets in the way of confidence building. His claim that, questioning him is questioning science itself, is the epitome of hubris. In general, how do you think that went over with the public? Fauci's poor messaging and lying wasn't enough to deter my personal risk/benefit analysis re vaccination, but I can see how/why it might other people or at least increased their skepticism in general. If the admin's prime objective was/is to get everyone vaxxed based upon people's assuredness, Fauci should have been taken out of the loop early on when he first lied about masks.

Ok. So who's fault is that? Trump, right? So you're telling me this is Trump's fault, correct? Fire Fauci, and find a better communicator.
Absolutely Trump should have fired him. How many times do I have to say how much Trump F'd up re Covid and repercussions. I predicted he'd lose the election due to it. OK?

My opinion is you could have put G*d himself in that position and it wouldn't make a lick of difference-----right wing Media and R governors undermined every word Fauci uttered 24/7.
Before or after he started lying?

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I also disagree that saying "we don't know" is a negative. If someone trustworthy and on a consistent basis comes out to say, here's what we know, here's what we think we know, and here's what we don't know, that transparency/honesty might have made a difference. This is hindsight of course and I'm afraid it's to late for that sort of clear messaging.

Correct again. And who was in charge, and on a scale of 1-10, how trustworthy would you say Donald Trump is?
Dead end a fan. You forget.

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 am I agree with others that the current incredible message being conveyed, that illegal immigrants are not required to get vaccinated, is a jaw-dropper. Good luck getting Covid anti-vaxx Americans on board with that sort of policy/messaging.

Agree 1000%. Inexcusable. Right up there with hammering businesses and citizens with restrictions on gatherings----and then having dinner at the French Laundry (Calif Gov) or hopping on plane from Denver to Houston to see your family (Denver Mayor).
Thank you.