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@inthe8m wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:39 pm ...It is almost as if his formula puts more emphasis on quality losses than quality wins.

I looked for an answer to your question (and did not find it) but I did find a sample page of their paid, pro version. https://pro.lacrossereference.com/trial ... w4OF9kd23w Lots of data...

@inthe8m wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:39 pm

Justalaxdad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:22 pm

OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:58 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:55 am Crazy Top 20 Poll removed

As long as teams like Vermont and Davidson show up in top 20 lists, this method of ranking teams has no credibility in my estimation.

Agreed and didn’t UVA beat Richmond by 10? I don’t think anyone is going to argue UVA’s SOS either. Some people/polls refuse to look any deeper than a w/l record.

That is some wild and crazy stuff. I would love to see the formula behind that Top 20. Vermont and Davidson - really? Navy - as someone who has watched quite a few of their games, they are just not very good. JMU has beaten three of his Top 20 teams but is not listed? It is almost as if his formula puts more emphasis on quality losses than quality wins.

Wow, I missed the JMU omission. That alone dismisses this poll or ranking as a joke!

1 NC beat Notre Dame 15-7
2 BC beat VT 18-8
3 NU beat PSU 17-6 & Penn 17-9
4 Syracuse beat Loyola 14-13 & Pitt 18-6
5 Stony Brook beat Princeton 16-8 Az St 16-4

6 Duke beat Liberty 8-7 & Virginia 13-8
7 JMU beat Towson 14-8 and Hofstra 17-10
8 Denver beat Butler 17-8
9 Loyola lost to Syr 14-13; beat Holy Cross 14-6
10 Maryland beat Gtown 15-3 and JHU 17-6

11 Florida beat Mercer 19-5
12 Stanford beat Colorado 16-9 & Oregon 17-5
13 Rutgers beat Michigan 13-8; lost to Az St in OT
14 Princeton lost to Stony Brook 16-8
15 USC beat Michigan 15-9

16 Arizona St lost to SB 16-4; beat Rutgers in OT
17 Richmond beat Duquesne 17-8 & St Joe’s 14-5
18 Jacksonville beat CC 18-5 & Cornell 10-9
19 Virginia lost to Duke 13-8
20 Ohio St beat Louisville 13-12

21 Yale beat Brown 15-13
22 Army beat Lehigh 22-15; American 17-14
23 UMass beat VCU 20-7 & G Mason 19-7
24 Virginia Tech lost to BC 18-8
25 Colorado lost to Stanford 16-9 and beat Cal

OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:56 pm 1 NC beat Notre Dame 15-7
2 BC beat VT 18-8
3 NU beat PSU 17-6 & Penn 17-9
4 Syracuse beat Loyola 14-13 & Pitt 18-6
5 Stony Brook beat Princeton 16-8 Az St 16-4

6 Duke beat Liberty 8-7 & Virginia 13-8
7 JMU beat Towson 14-8 and Hofstra 17-10
8 Denver beat Butler 17-8
9 Loyola lost to Syr 14-13; beat Holy Cross 14-6 {21-7}
10 Maryland beat Gtown 15-3 and JHU 17-6

11 Florida beat Mercer 19-5
12 Stanford beat Colorado 16-9 & Oregon 17-5
13 Rutgers beat Michigan 13-8; lost to Az St in OT
14 Princeton lost to Stony Brook 16-8
15 USC beat Michigan 15-9

16 Arizona St lost to SB 16-4; beat Rutgers in OT
17 Richmond beat Duquesne 17-8 & St Joe’s 14-5
18 Jacksonville beat CC 18-5 & Cornell 10-9
19 Virginia lost to Duke 13-8
20 Ohio St beat Louisville 13-12

21 Yale beat Brown 15-13
22 Army beat Lehigh 22-15; American 17-14
23 UMass beat VCU 20-7 & G Mason 19-7
24 Virginia Tech lost to BC 18-8
25 Colorado lost to Stanford 16-9 and beat Cal

Fixed it for you

Dr. Tact wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:23 pm

OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:56 pm 1 NC beat Notre Dame 15-7
2 BC beat VT 18-8
3 NU beat PSU 17-6 & Penn 17-9
4 Syracuse beat Loyola 14-13 & Pitt 18-6
5 Stony Brook beat Princeton 16-8 Az St 16-4

6 Duke beat Liberty 8-7 & Virginia 13-8
7 JMU beat Towson 14-8 and Hofstra 17-10
8 Denver beat Butler 17-8
9 Loyola lost to Syr 14-13; beat Holy Cross 14-6 {21-7}
10 Maryland beat Gtown 15-3 and JHU 17-6

11 Florida beat Mercer 19-5
12 Stanford beat Colorado 16-9 & Oregon 17-5
13 Rutgers beat Michigan 13-8; lost to Az St in OT
14 Princeton lost to Stony Brook 16-8
15 USC beat Michigan 15-9

16 Arizona St lost to SB 16-4; beat Rutgers in OT
17 Richmond beat Duquesne 17-8 & St Joe’s 14-5
18 Jacksonville beat CC 18-5 & Cornell 10-9
19 Virginia lost to Duke 13-8
20 Ohio St beat Louisville 13-12

21 Yale beat Brown 15-13
22 Army beat Lehigh 22-15; American 17-14
23 UMass beat VCU 20-7 & G Mason 19-7
24 Virginia Tech lost to BC 18-8
25 Colorado lost to Stanford 16-9 and beat Cal

Fixed it for you

Thanks Doc – but this isn’t meant to be an exact list of scores. This is just my scratch sheet in helping me come up with the positions. You’ll notice that Colorado doesn’t have a final score for Cal, as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are other errors. But, that’s my top 25 anyway.

I think, as you read this, it'll become pretty clear that I have no idea what I'm doing.

1. UNC

2. BC

3. Syracuse

4. NU

5. Stony Brook

6. Loyola

7. Denver

8. Duke

9. JMU

10. Princeton

11. Maryland

12. USC

13. Rutgers

14. Stanford

15. ASU

17. Richmond

18. Virginia

19. Notre Dame

20. Jacksonville

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:58 am I think, as you read this, it'll become pretty clear that I have no idea what I'm doing.

No more or less than any of the rest of us--lol

Forum Rankings due at noon EST. https://fanlax.com/2020/01/30/fanlax-forum-polls/

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:58 am I think, as you read this, it'll become pretty clear that I have no idea what I'm doing.

1. UNC

2. BC

3. Syracuse

4. NU

5. Stony Brook

6. Loyola

7. Denver

8. Duke

9. JMU

10. Princeton

11. Maryland

12. USC

13. Rutgers

14. Stanford

15. ASU

17. Richmond

18. Virginia

19. Notre Dame

20. Jacksonville

The original seacoaster would have nailed it!

8meterPA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:32 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:58 am I think, as you read this, it'll become pretty clear that I have no idea what I'm doing.

1. UNC

2. BC

3. Syracuse

4. NU

5. Stony Brook

6. Loyola

7. Denver

8. Duke

9. JMU

10. Princeton

11. Maryland

12. USC

13. Rutgers

14. Stanford

15. ASU

17. Richmond

18. Virginia

19. Notre Dame

20. Jacksonville

The original seacoaster would have nailed it!

Dammit, it's me!!! I swear.

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:46 am

8meterPA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:32 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:58 am I think, as you read this, it'll become pretty clear that I have no idea what I'm doing.

1. UNC

2. BC

3. Syracuse

4. NU

5. Stony Brook

6. Loyola

7. Denver

8. Duke

9. JMU

10. Princeton

11. Maryland

12. USC

13. Rutgers

14. Stanford

15. ASU

17. Richmond

18. Virginia

19. Notre Dame

20. Jacksonville

The original seacoaster would have nailed it!

Dammit, it's me!!! I swear.

Who is #16?

I submitted my Fanlax poll with some bracketology mixed in, attempting to get inside the committee’s head to project the eight seeds. I tried to take into account their criteria which includes:
Win-loss record
RPI (arguably the most important metric they look at based on past years)
SOS
Significant wins (wins vs top 20 RPI teams)
Significant losses (loss vs teams outside the top 20)
Evaluation of 10 highest rated teams on schedule

Top 10
Seed RPI Wins Losses SOS Top 20 Wins non-T20 losses Avg RPI
UNC 1 1 12 0 6 5 JMU, Fla, NW, BC, ND 0 12
Syr 2 2 10 2 2 5 SB, Duke, Temp, Loy, ND 0 11
BC 3 3 11 1 7 2 NW, Den 0 15
NW 4 4 10 2 4 4 Syr, SB, OSU, ND 0 11
SB 5 5 8 2 9 3 Fla, JHU, Prince 0 22
Loy 6 13 10 1 18 3 JHU, Fla, Prince 0 25
MD 7 11 10 1 16 3 Fla, Rutg, JHU 0 14
Den 8 7 11 1 23 2 Vand, OSU 0 25
Fla 8 7 4 15 1 Syr 0 17
Duke 15 13 1 32 1 ND 0 23
Prince 6 6 2 8 2 Temp, USC 0 22
JMU 9 8 4 5 3 Uconn, Mary,OSU 1 VT 20
Rutg 10 10 2 17 3 Temp, JMU, JHU 1 ASU 18
USC 14 8 2 43 1 Jack 1 Stan 26



I made a comment on another thread that Duke’s SOS and lack of significant wins could hurt them, and it really stands out here. Interesting sidebar on SOS is that the other mid-tier ACC teams have a strong SOS (UVA at 1, ND at 3). My message to Duke would be if you want to be considered among the best then schedule among the best.

I don’t believe there’s any argument among the top 5. At this point, I have Syracuse at 2, BC at 3 because they have a better RPI, SOS, and more significant wins. Obviously, that could change when they settle it on the field.

Denver is “last seed in” by virtue of #7 RPI, 11-1 record, and 2 significant wins. Close call in my mind over the “first four out” in Florida, Duke, Princeton, and JMU.

Florida: #8 RPI, #15 SOS, average RPI of their top ten on schedule is 17, but 4 losses.

Duke: nuff said about their schedule

Princeton: All the metrics look good, but Temple and USC are in the bottom half of top 20 and Ivy doesn’t present opportunity for another significant win. Does Ivy League winner get a seed??

JMU: #9 RPI, #5 SOS very strong, but that significant loss to VT among 4 total hurts

D1 WOMEN: FanLax Forum Poll (04/04/22)
https://fanlax.com/2022/04/04/d1-women- ... -04-04-22/

Team Seed RPI W-L SOS Sig Wins Sig Losses Avg RPI of Top 10
UNC 1 1 12-0 6 5 JMU, Fla, NW, BC, ND 0 12
Syr 2 2 10-2 2 5 SB, Duke, Temp, Loy, ND 0 11
BC 3 3 11-1 7 2 NW, Den 0 15
NW 4 4 10-2 4 4 Syr, SB, OSU, ND 0 11
SB 5 5 8-2 9 3 Flor, JHU, Prince 0 22
Loy 6 13 10-1 18 3 JHU, Flor, Prince 0 25
MD 7 11 10-1 16 3 Flor, Rutg, JHU 0 17
Den 8 7 11-1 23 1 OSU 0 25
Fla - 8 7-4 15 1 Syr 0 17
Duke - 15 13-1 32 1 ND 0 23
Prince - 6 6-2 8 2 Temp, USC 0 22
JMU - 9 8-4 5 3 UConn, MD, OSU 1 VT 20
Rutg - 10 10-2 17 3 Temp, JMU, JHU 1 ASU 18
USC - 14 8-2 43 1 Jack 0 26

Dr. Tact wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:48 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:46 am

8meterPA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:32 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:58 am I think, as you read this, it'll become pretty clear that I have no idea what I'm doing.

1. UNC

2. BC

3. Syracuse

4. NU

5. Stony Brook

6. Loyola

7. Denver

8. Duke

9. JMU

10. Princeton

11. Maryland

12. USC

13. Rutgers

14. Stanford

15. ASU

17. Richmond

18. Virginia

19. Notre Dame

20. Jacksonville

The original seacoaster would have nailed it!

Dammit, it's me!!! I swear.

Who is #16?

Dammit. I missed Florida, so probably stick the Gators in there somewhere. Where, Doc, do you think?

If ND manages to have a record of 500, do they get an at large bid based on the RPI rating and whatever else if looked at. They will likely have no significant wins but a handful of 1 goal losses to very good teams.

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:36 pm D1 WOMEN: FanLax Forum Poll (04/04/22)
https://fanlax.com/2022/04/04/d1-women- ... -04-04-22/

Rats! My #5 was supposed to be Stony Brook. I could have sworn I clicked on Stony Brook. Does the format allow double votes?

Lax101 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:28 pm If ND manages to have a record of 500, do they get an at large bid based on the RPI rating and whatever else if looked at. They will likely have no significant wins but a handful of 1 goal losses to very good teams.

They should finish the season 8-8, then will likely face Duke in ACC tournament. A loss and they're sub-500. A win gives them the significant win they need plus strong RPI and top 3 SOS should be enough except...they have what would currently be classified as three significant losses to Vanderbilt, Michigan, and Va Tech. Will just have to see how that all stacks up in the pecking order for the 14 at large spots.

OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:29 pm Does the format allow double votes?

I think it does...

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:27 pm

OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:29 pm Does the format allow double votes?

I think it does...

Made the change and updated the jpg/rankings.