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10stone5 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:46 am

semsox wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:24 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:06 pm The point is that when the season was canceled, none of the senior class had graduated yet. They could have withdrawn from the school at that point and still had a semester remaining to graduate, which they would have taken in the spring of 2021. But Princeton and Harvard wouldn’t allow it, while it appears Yale and Cornell have. As one poster mentioned, for there to be such a discrepancy within the league is a mess.

Every Cornell Senior was listed in their graduate program except for Teat. Maybe that’s wrong, but based on what we know it looks like all of them graduated except for Teat, who is now back.

And we went over this when it was applicable, but the “withdraw and then just come back for lacrosse” thing was not possible. Schools weren’t going to allow that. TD and Teat weren’t on track to graduate just yet, while Sowers was. So TD and Teat are coming back. But if you were on track to graduate, they weren’t gonna let you withdraw and come back like that. That wasn’t what Pannell did either, he hadn’t finished all of his courses that semester.

Are there any official statements that support the bolded above? Because being on track to graduate, withdrawing, and coming back (perhaps with an 'enhanced' curriculum) seems like exactly what Cornell and Yale are allowing with Teat/TD. Maybe Yale feels they can hide behind it a bit better with the credits that didn't transfer, but that's exactly what both schools are doing. I say that without any judgement, as I'm elated both may get a true senior season, but let's call a spade a spade here.

The answer is no.
Its all speculation.
I’m presuming this is protected information,
so only Teat knows if he was on track to graduate
on time.

10stone5 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:46 am

semsox wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:24 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:06 pm The point is that when the season was canceled, none of the senior class had graduated yet. They could have withdrawn from the school at that point and still had a semester remaining to graduate, which they would have taken in the spring of 2021. But Princeton and Harvard wouldn’t allow it, while it appears Yale and Cornell have. As one poster mentioned, for there to be such a discrepancy within the league is a mess.

Every Cornell Senior was listed in their graduate program except for Teat. Maybe that’s wrong, but based on what we know it looks like all of them graduated except for Teat, who is now back.

And we went over this when it was applicable, but the “withdraw and then just come back for lacrosse” thing was not possible. Schools weren’t going to allow that. TD and Teat weren’t on track to graduate just yet, while Sowers was. So TD and Teat are coming back. But if you were on track to graduate, they weren’t gonna let you withdraw and come back like that. That wasn’t what Pannell did either, he hadn’t finished all of his courses that semester.

Are there any official statements that support the bolded above? Because being on track to graduate, withdrawing, and coming back (perhaps with an 'enhanced' curriculum) seems like exactly what Cornell and Yale are allowing with Teat/TD. Maybe Yale feels they can hide behind it a bit better with the credits that didn't transfer, but that's exactly what both schools are doing. I say that without any judgement, as I'm elated both may get a true senior season, but let's call a spade a spade here.

The answer is no.
Its all speculation.
I’m presuming this is protected information,
so only Teat knows if he was on track to graduate
on time.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:50 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:46 am

semsox wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:24 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:06 pm The point is that when the season was canceled, none of the senior class had graduated yet. They could have withdrawn from the school at that point and still had a semester remaining to graduate, which they would have taken in the spring of 2021. But Princeton and Harvard wouldn’t allow it, while it appears Yale and Cornell have. As one poster mentioned, for there to be such a discrepancy within the league is a mess.

Every Cornell Senior was listed in their graduate program except for Teat. Maybe that’s wrong, but based on what we know it looks like all of them graduated except for Teat, who is now back.

And we went over this when it was applicable, but the “withdraw and then just come back for lacrosse” thing was not possible. Schools weren’t going to allow that. TD and Teat weren’t on track to graduate just yet, while Sowers was. So TD and Teat are coming back. But if you were on track to graduate, they weren’t gonna let you withdraw and come back like that. That wasn’t what Pannell did either, he hadn’t finished all of his courses that semester.

Are there any official statements that support the bolded above? Because being on track to graduate, withdrawing, and coming back (perhaps with an 'enhanced' curriculum) seems like exactly what Cornell and Yale are allowing with Teat/TD. Maybe Yale feels they can hide behind it a bit better with the credits that didn't transfer, but that's exactly what both schools are doing. I say that without any judgement, as I'm elated both may get a true senior season, but let's call a spade a spade here.

The answer is no.
Its all speculation.
I’m presuming this is protected information,
so only Teat knows if he was on track to graduate
on time.

I am not sure about Teat. TD was on pace to graduate and start a job.


“Ierlan, a political science major, said he had some employment options after graduating Yale this spring. But the bigger issue is the Ivy League rule that doesn’t allow graduate students to play a sport.”

Gobigred wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:42 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:50 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:46 am

semsox wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:24 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:06 pm The point is that when the season was canceled, none of the senior class had graduated yet. They could have withdrawn from the school at that point and still had a semester remaining to graduate, which they would have taken in the spring of 2021. But Princeton and Harvard wouldn’t allow it, while it appears Yale and Cornell have. As one poster mentioned, for there to be such a discrepancy within the league is a mess.

Every Cornell Senior was listed in their graduate program except for Teat. Maybe that’s wrong, but based on what we know it looks like all of them graduated except for Teat, who is now back.

And we went over this when it was applicable, but the “withdraw and then just come back for lacrosse” thing was not possible. Schools weren’t going to allow that. TD and Teat weren’t on track to graduate just yet, while Sowers was. So TD and Teat are coming back. But if you were on track to graduate, they weren’t gonna let you withdraw and come back like that. That wasn’t what Pannell did either, he hadn’t finished all of his courses that semester.

Are there any official statements that support the bolded above? Because being on track to graduate, withdrawing, and coming back (perhaps with an 'enhanced' curriculum) seems like exactly what Cornell and Yale are allowing with Teat/TD. Maybe Yale feels they can hide behind it a bit better with the credits that didn't transfer, but that's exactly what both schools are doing. I say that without any judgement, as I'm elated both may get a true senior season, but let's call a spade a spade here.

The answer is no.
Its all speculation.
I’m presuming this is protected information,
so only Teat knows if he was on track to graduate
on time.

I am not sure about Teat. TD was on pace to graduate and start a job.


“Ierlan, a political science major, said he had some employment options after graduating Yale this spring. But the bigger issue is the Ivy League rule that doesn’t allow graduate students to play a sport.”

He had to have done something to avoid graduating.

Gobigred wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:42 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:50 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:46 am

semsox wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:24 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:06 pm The point is that when the season was canceled, none of the senior class had graduated yet. They could have withdrawn from the school at that point and still had a semester remaining to graduate, which they would have taken in the spring of 2021. But Princeton and Harvard wouldn’t allow it, while it appears Yale and Cornell have. As one poster mentioned, for there to be such a discrepancy within the league is a mess.

Every Cornell Senior was listed in their graduate program except for Teat. Maybe that’s wrong, but based on what we know it looks like all of them graduated except for Teat, who is now back.

And we went over this when it was applicable, but the “withdraw and then just come back for lacrosse” thing was not possible. Schools weren’t going to allow that. TD and Teat weren’t on track to graduate just yet, while Sowers was. So TD and Teat are coming back. But if you were on track to graduate, they weren’t gonna let you withdraw and come back like that. That wasn’t what Pannell did either, he hadn’t finished all of his courses that semester.

Are there any official statements that support the bolded above? Because being on track to graduate, withdrawing, and coming back (perhaps with an 'enhanced' curriculum) seems like exactly what Cornell and Yale are allowing with Teat/TD. Maybe Yale feels they can hide behind it a bit better with the credits that didn't transfer, but that's exactly what both schools are doing. I say that without any judgement, as I'm elated both may get a true senior season, but let's call a spade a spade here.

The answer is no.
Its all speculation.
I’m presuming this is protected information,
so only Teat knows if he was on track to graduate
on time.

I am not sure about Teat. TD was on pace to graduate and start a job.


“Ierlan, a political science major, said he had some employment options after graduating Yale this spring. But the bigger issue is the Ivy League rule that doesn’t allow graduate students to play a sport.”

He had to have done something to avoid graduating.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:17 pm But the real mistake was the NCAA decision to give everyone an extra year of eligibility rather than just sucking it up like the rest of society.

smoova wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:31 pm A friend of mine chatted with a Ivy player (rising junior at HYP) yesterday. His plan is to take "internships" during the next two fall semesters and be on campus during the spring semesters. Apparently, the coaching staff hatched this plan to allow players to take advantage of the 5th year granted by the NCAA.

The Orfling wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:29 pm It will be nice to see another season of Jeff Teat competing in the Ivy League. If the season can be played (and I think and hope it will be played) no question it will be a weird season in Division I lacrosse after "free agency." I'm curious if this will be a one-year phenomenon or if we'll see top members of the class of 2021 and 2022 and 2023 in the Ivy League look to play a 5th year or take steps to "make up" the lost season at such Ivies as may allow that.

If it's not a 1-year phenomenon we may see the Ivies (and the service academies, for that matter) structurally disadvantaged for a full four-year cycle. It doesn't ultimately matter -- buckle up the helmet and play with the guys on either side of you -- but it's interesting to ponder.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:39 pm

smoova wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:31 pm A friend of mine chatted with a Ivy player (rising junior at HYP) yesterday. His plan is to take "internships" during the next two fall semesters and be on campus during the spring semesters. Apparently, the coaching staff hatched this plan to allow players to take advantage of the 5th year granted by the NCAA.

Was it Harvard?

The Orfling wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:10 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:39 pm

smoova wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:31 pm A friend of mine chatted with a Ivy player (rising junior at HYP) yesterday. His plan is to take "internships" during the next two fall semesters and be on campus during the spring semesters. Apparently, the coaching staff hatched this plan to allow players to take advantage of the 5th year granted by the NCAA.

Was it Harvard?

Most of the Ivies held the line this year because every class of 2020 senior lost their senior spring, whether they were a singer or an actor or artist or athlete. (This was well expressed by the Princeton president in his letter.). In the next three years, when there might not be such a stark issue of an entire "lost spring" (although there might be a "lost fall of 2020" for athletics), one wonders if we'll see the "strategic withdrawal" model happening more and more (and being allowed because most students will be looking to finish in 8 semesters so it won't be perceived as special treatment for those who want to voluntarily prolong their college experience for a 5th year to be able to do so and compete.

FannOLax wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:20 pm If I watch a Denver game, I don't know how I'll feel about seeing Morrill and Cotler in a college uniform that's not Yale's. I just hope that we have that bridge to cross when we get to next year.

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:58 pm I'm not posting this to cause debate, but hopefully reflection. Personally, I'm glad that TD and Jeff Teat have been granted the opportunity to play another season. These are hard working young men, whose future may be tied to lacrosse, and who (in my view) are entitled to a "break". My thoughts are below:

1. How many of us would be sure that they would gain admission to the Ivy League, as an undergraduate or graduate student, if we applied today?

2. For how many of us, did someone doing something kind, or "cutting us a break", were able to either be admitted to an Ivy, or allowed us to get through to graduation?

While I understand that Ivies are not simply about sports, generally, the Ivy League ha become less and less sports friendly as each year goes by. If a few young people are allowed to pursue a passion a bit longer, in my view, that's great. Hopefully, there are some cases of students with other areas of exceptional excellence who are allowed to stay in school a bit longer to explore these interests.

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:48 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:58 pm I'm not posting this to cause debate, but hopefully reflection. Personally, I'm glad that TD and Jeff Teat have been granted the opportunity to play another season. These are hard working young men, whose future may be tied to lacrosse, and who (in my view) are entitled to a "break". My thoughts are below:

1. How many of us would be sure that they would gain admission to the Ivy League, as an undergraduate or graduate student, if we applied today?

2. For how many of us, did someone doing something kind, or "cutting us a break", were able to either be admitted to an Ivy, or allowed us to get through to graduation?

While I understand that Ivies are not simply about sports, generally, the Ivy League ha become less and less sports friendly as each year goes by. If a few young people are allowed to pursue a passion a bit longer, in my view, that's great. Hopefully, there are some cases of students with other areas of exceptional excellence who are allowed to stay in school a bit longer to explore these interests.

Today? I am still amazed Cornell accepted me back in 74 and even more amazed that I graduated in 4 years in 78. To this day, I can only think that my application was mistakenly put in the "accepted" pile and not immediately thrown into the trash can.

I think the only way I graduated had to be my "gift of gab" and that so many professors that I begged for a passing grade actually bought into my begging, whining and convincing that I am a hardworking student and deserve a break.

GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:57 pm

FannOLax wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:20 pm If I watch a Denver game, I don't know how I'll feel about seeing Morrill and Cotler in a college uniform that's not Yale's. I just hope that we have that bridge to cross when we get to next year.

Probably harder for us “lower level” guys watching Eric Holden, or the Holy Cross FOGO at MD and Duke types of places. But point taken surely. For guys like us the interesting thing will be if Holden were to kill it, we will see, and get up around a potential 2nd team AA (more likely if he plays Mid than Attack) to demonstrate that some smaller school guys don’t get enough love in those awards. We will see. I hope.

CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:41 pm

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:48 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:58 pm I'm not posting this to cause debate, but hopefully reflection. Personally, I'm glad that TD and Jeff Teat have been granted the opportunity to play another season. These are hard working young men, whose future may be tied to lacrosse, and who (in my view) are entitled to a "break". My thoughts are below:

1. How many of us would be sure that they would gain admission to the Ivy League, as an undergraduate or graduate student, if we applied today?

2. For how many of us, did someone doing something kind, or "cutting us a break", were able to either be admitted to an Ivy, or allowed us to get through to graduation?

While I understand that Ivies are not simply about sports, generally, the Ivy League ha become less and less sports friendly as each year goes by. If a few young people are allowed to pursue a passion a bit longer, in my view, that's great. Hopefully, there are some cases of students with other areas of exceptional excellence who are allowed to stay in school a bit longer to explore these interests.

Today? I am still amazed Cornell accepted me back in 74 and even more amazed that I graduated in 4 years in 78. To this day, I can only think that my application was mistakenly put in the "accepted" pile and not immediately thrown into the trash can.

I think the only way I graduated had to be my "gift of gab" and that so many professors that I begged for a passing grade actually bought into my begging, whining and convincing that I am a hardworking student and deserve a break.

GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

LOL