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Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
by PizzaSnake
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:00 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Dartmouth College is Dartmouth College, undergraduate and any graduate programs (medical, business, engineering)...no U ever.
Harvard's undergraduate is Harvard College (the whole institution is Harvard University).
Princeton is always Princeton University.
Penn is always The University of ...Pennsylvania.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:24 pm
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:00 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Dartmouth College is Dartmouth College, undergraduate and any graduate programs (medical, business, engineering)...no U ever.
Harvard's undergraduate is Harvard College (the whole institution is Harvard University).
Princeton is always Princeton University.
Penn is always The University of ...Pennsylvania.
that's what I thought but use the USNWR defintion of university vs. liberal arts, but fair clarification
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
My son actually asked if UPenn was a public school.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:35 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
My son actually asked if UPenn was a public school.
And then there's Cornell, which has multiple state colleges and 'school of' along with the private...
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:58 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
My son actually asked if UPenn was a public school.
And then there's Cornell, which has multiple state colleges and 'school of' along with the private...
The UPenn question was funny. He was so young. Hadn’t given that much thought to college…. It all came up much sooner than we had anticipated.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:52 pm
by Ezra White
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
My son actually asked if UPenn was a public school.
And then there's Cornell, which has multiple state colleges and 'school of' along with the private...
Sigh ...
Cornell has NO STATE COLLEGES. It has several schools that are run under contract with the state.
As such, the state specifies tuition.
As a "land grant college," the entire operation has a rather close relation with the state. But it's 100% private.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
by OCanada
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:42 am
by Gobigred
OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
A lot of interesting stories involved with the land-grant act, with some ties also to Dartmouth, Yale and Brown, among others. See:
http://www.dartmo.com/nhc/http://www.dartmo.com/nhc/
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:11 am
by MDlaxfan76
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:58 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
My son actually asked if UPenn was a public school.
And then there's Cornell, which has multiple state colleges and 'school of' along with the private...
The UPenn question was funny. He was so young. Hadn’t given that much thought to college…. It all came up much sooner than we had anticipated.
Ahh, ER...
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:15 am
by MDlaxfan76
Ezra White wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:52 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
My son actually asked if UPenn was a public school.
And then there's Cornell, which has multiple state colleges and 'school of' along with the private...
Sigh ...
Cornell has NO STATE COLLEGES. It has several schools that are run under contract with the state.
As such, the state specifies tuition.
As a "land grant college," the entire operation has a rather close relation with the state. But it's 100% private.
You stated it much more accurately than I did:
https://www.suny.edu/campuses/cornell/
Yes, under contract with the state.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:58 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:58 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
My son actually asked if UPenn was a public school.
And then there's Cornell, which has multiple state colleges and 'school of' along with the private...
The UPenn question was funny. He was so young. Hadn’t given that much thought to college…. It all came up much sooner than we had anticipated.
At least you didn't have to ask about the policies and procedures around coaches using the showers
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:00 am
by Farfromgeneva
Ezra White wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:52 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:38 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:35 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:10 am
Funny I follow Cornell a little bit bc of hobart relationship and know the university quite well but somehow whenever I see it written as Cornell university it jumps at me. They all are universities in Ivies I get but see optically Harvard U more than Cornell U.
To me is just Cornell. Like Prince. Or ideally like Kanye for all future games against Bart…
Yep, and Penn is !PennState...
My son actually asked if UPenn was a public school.
And then there's Cornell, which has multiple state colleges and 'school of' along with the private...
Sigh ...
Cornell has NO STATE COLLEGES. It has several schools that are run under contract with the state.
As such, the state specifies tuition.
As a "land grant college," the entire operation has a rather close relation with the state. But it's 100% private.
I know this sticks in the craw of cornell folks and is often misunderstood or poorly described by others, sometimes intentionally.
But...does pushing back so hard and so frequently (not you buy collectively) signal a good look? What is the message hard and fast rebuttals look like to others? Just putting that in the ether to consider.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:03 am
by Farfromgeneva
OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
Whatever the reality is, it only works as an effective "donkey punch" to Cornell folks becuase they seem to care too much about protecting and declaring their private status. If they let their actions on the field and as people stand on their own and let this slide like water off their backs the conversation would stop pretty quick.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm
by bearlaxfan
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:03 am
OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
Whatever the reality is, it only works as an effective "donkey punch" to Cornell folks becuase they seem to care too much about protecting and declaring their private status. If they let their actions on the field and as people stand on their own and let this slide like water off their backs the conversation would stop pretty quick.
Maybe like the response to negative political ads, whether ads are true or lies: "if you're explaining, you're losing."
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:06 pm
by Gobigred
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:03 am
OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
Whatever the reality is, it only works as an effective "donkey punch" to Cornell folks becuase they seem to care too much about protecting and declaring their private status. If they let their actions on the field and as people stand on their own and let this slide like water off their backs the conversation would stop pretty quick.
It would stop quicker without your unnecessary postings. Accuracy matters, in case you haven't noticed over the last six or so years.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:14 pm
by Farfromgeneva
bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:03 am
OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
Whatever the reality is, it only works as an effective "donkey punch" to Cornell folks becuase they seem to care too much about protecting and declaring their private status. If they let their actions on the field and as people stand on their own and let this slide like water off their backs the conversation would stop pretty quick.
Maybe like the response to negative political ads, whether ads are true or lies: "if you're explaining, you're losing."
Works
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:17 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Gobigred wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:06 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:03 am
OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
Whatever the reality is, it only works as an effective "donkey punch" to Cornell folks becuase they seem to care too much about protecting and declaring their private status. If they let their actions on the field and as people stand on their own and let this slide like water off their backs the conversation would stop pretty quick.
It would stop quicker without your unnecessary postings. Accuracy matters, in case you haven't noticed over the last six or so years.
What's accurate is how little respect you treat others with regularly. But for a person to have value others have to care. I don't with respect to you.
Technical and domain knowledge have little value when one doesn't understand humanity...accuracy is often a myth, eleganat mathematical models that never accurately reflect what happens in reality. Some people miss the point completely...
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:51 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Gobigred wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:06 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:03 am
OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
Whatever the reality is, it only works as an effective "donkey punch" to Cornell folks becuase they seem to care too much about protecting and declaring their private status. If they let their actions on the field and as people stand on their own and let this slide like water off their backs the conversation would stop pretty quick.
It would stop quicker without your unnecessary postings. Accuracy matters, in case you haven't noticed over the last six or so years.
Just to be clear, I didn't mind Ezra's correction a bit...the "sigh" was unnecessary, but the correction was appreciated at least by me. I didn't intend to misstate, just pointing out that these questions are more complicated than what one might assume.
I don't think there's any need to be defensive, at least in terms of
my intent. It had nothing to do with any sort of criticism; never occurred to me.
From a lax perspective, I, too, recall that Cornell was able to pull a few players into those colleges. Helped, at least in eras past...I'd think it might still?
It also helps that the AI is calculated on the entire undergrad body, which enables CU to have a slightly lower AI than any of the other Ivies. But it's still darn high, so no need to be defensive.
Re: Ivy League 2023
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:19 am
by Gobigred
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:51 pm
Gobigred wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:06 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:03 am
OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:53 am
Cornell is a land grant college. So is MIT and Tuskegee.
In the four contracted colleges admission standards are less onerous for in-state students, in-state tuition is available for in state students etc.
Cornell would recruit some athletes into the contract schools for that reason when i was in college. The lax team would occasionally get some lax players from Farmingdale ( hope that is the right one). A few first teamers. Other schools referred to it as a farm school. MIT is pretty good company to be in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university
Whatever the reality is, it only works as an effective "donkey punch" to Cornell folks becuase they seem to care too much about protecting and declaring their private status. If they let their actions on the field and as people stand on their own and let this slide like water off their backs the conversation would stop pretty quick.
It would stop quicker without your unnecessary postings. Accuracy matters, in case you haven't noticed over the last six or so years.
Just to be clear, I didn't mind Ezra's correction a bit...the "sigh" was unnecessary, but the correction was appreciated at least by me. I didn't intend to misstate, just pointing out that these questions are more complicated than what one might assume.
I don't think there's any need to be defensive, at least in terms of
my intent. It had nothing to do with any sort of criticism; never occurred to me.
From a lax perspective, I, too, recall that Cornell was able to pull a few players into those colleges. Helped, at least in eras past...I'd think it might still?
It also helps that the AI is calculated on the entire undergrad body, which enables CU to have a slightly lower AI than any of the other Ivies. But it's still darn high, so no need to be defensive.
Who's defensive? Everything you wrote above is true. I didn't like Farfrom's unnecessary assertion that Cornell guys are "defensive" about the fact that Cornell is contracted to operate a number of schools for the state. We just like it expressed correctly, as Ezra did. We understand the advantage it gives in recruiting within New York.