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Can Opener wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:23 am You are correct, Schleicher got the ball, but North took the DC. This has been a pet peeve of mine for some time. DCs should be recorded as in men’s lacrosse where the person taking the draw/FO gets the win if their team gains control. That is a more accurate portrayal of DC success.

Here's a pet peeve of mine. People who try to make a change to the women's game based on something done on the men's side.

How about if we do the reverse? I have an idea to change the men's game. Adopt the women's draw rules instead of the face down or face plant or whatever it is they call the play to start the men's game. The draw takes much more skill. The face plant only requires brute force. Two pigs rolling around in the mud, grunting and squealing, until one emerges with the ball. Not only does the draw take more skill to execute, but it is much more fun to watch from a fan's perspective. Who wants to watch two sumo wrestlers go at it?

So let's make a change to men's lacrosse, adopting a women's rule, for a change.

Now, to your point, which you have made before. It depends on the particular draw as to whether the center should get any credit if her team, but not she, wins the draw. If the center intends to, and does, direct the ball to a teammate on the circle, then, yes, she should get some credit. But if the ball simply squirts out in this direction or that, then, no, she shouldn't because she did nothing to help her team win the draw. Perhaps if there were a PFF type organization, they could provide this type of micro-analysis.

Edit to add: Maryland won the draw 23-14. In your view then, does North get all the blame for BC getting so badly beaten on the draw?

njbill wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:31 am

Can Opener wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:23 am You are correct, Schleicher got the ball, but North took the DC. This has been a pet peeve of mine for some time. DCs should be recorded as in men’s lacrosse where the person taking the draw/FO gets the win if their team gains control. That is a more accurate portrayal of DC success.

Here's a pet peeve of mine. People who try to make a change to the women's game based on something done on the men's side.

How about if we do the reverse? I have an idea to change the men's game. Adopt the women's draw rules instead of the face down or face plant or whatever it is they call the play to start the men's game. The draw takes much more skill. The face plant only requires brute force. Two pigs rolling around in the mud, grunting and squealing, until one emerges with the ball. Not only does the draw take more skill to execute, but it is much more fun to watch from a fan's perspective. Who wants to watch two sumo wrestlers go at it?

So let's make a change to men's lacrosse, adopting a women's rule, for a change.

Now, to your point, which you have made before. It depends on the particular draw as to whether the center should get any credit if her team, but not she, wins the draw. If the center intends to, and does, direct the ball to a teammate on the circle, then, yes, she should get some credit. But if the ball simply squirts out in this direction or that, then, no, she shouldn't because she did nothing to help her team win the draw. Perhaps if there were a PFF type organization, they could provide this type of micro-analysis.

Edit to add: Maryland won the draw 23-14. In your view then, does North get all the blame for BC getting so badly beaten on the draw?

Oh my. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. We enjoyed a couple of nice exchanges on the Tewaaraton earlier, so I'm not sure what I did to set you off.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:53 am

njbill wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:31 am

Can Opener wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:23 am You are correct, Schleicher got the ball, but North took the DC. This has been a pet peeve of mine for some time. DCs should be recorded as in men’s lacrosse where the person taking the draw/FO gets the win if their team gains control. That is a more accurate portrayal of DC success.

Here's a pet peeve of mine. People who try to make a change to the women's game based on something done on the men's side.

How about if we do the reverse? I have an idea to change the men's game. Adopt the women's draw rules instead of the face down or face plant or whatever it is they call the play to start the men's game. The draw takes much more skill. The face plant only requires brute force. Two pigs rolling around in the mud, grunting and squealing, until one emerges with the ball. Not only does the draw take more skill to execute, but it is much more fun to watch from a fan's perspective. Who wants to watch two sumo wrestlers go at it?

So let's make a change to men's lacrosse, adopting a women's rule, for a change.

Now, to your point, which you have made before. It depends on the particular draw as to whether the center should get any credit if her team, but not she, wins the draw. If the center intends to, and does, direct the ball to a teammate on the circle, then, yes, she should get some credit. But if the ball simply squirts out in this direction or that, then, no, she shouldn't because she did nothing to help her team win the draw. Perhaps if there were a PFF type organization, they could provide this type of micro-analysis.

Edit to add: Maryland won the draw 23-14. In your view then, does North get all the blame for BC getting so badly beaten on the draw?

Oh my. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. We enjoyed a couple of nice exchanges on the Tewaaraton earlier, so I'm not sure what I did to set you off.

I think it's spelled out pretty clearly in njb's first sentence.

I cannot speak for njb but I would not take it too personally. Over many years fans of women's lacrosse have constantly heard, that the sport would be made better if: they played in pads and helmets, were allowed to hit each other, got rid of shooting space & 3 seconds because "they're stupid", played with a stick that had an actual pocket instead of a tennis racquet, etc. etc. All stuff from the men's game that would make the women's game less "lame". Many of those suggestions come from someone not even bothering to understand the rationale for these rules & not bothering to appreciate the game for what it is or recognizing the different (not lesser) skills involved.

If you want to give credit for a center directing the ball at their player, I think it would have to be a completely new and separate statistic. And it would only count if the player the ball was directed at gained possession. If you make an assist you don't get credit for the goal as well. The one who actually gains possession of the ball for their team is the one that wins the draw control IMO.

Hard to disagree with CO in your waking up on the wrong side of the bed, nj...Geezuz H.
JFTR, I suggested years ago that the men adopt some form of the women's draw (and I find it a little hard to believe you don't know it's called a face off in the men's game) but I'd like to see them drive the ball to the ground rather than in the air...then let the battle begin. This is quite a description of the face off you put up here. Somehow I'm not thinking an Ierlan, Baptise, or Phaup would agree with much of anything you say here. There's a whole lot more skill and technique involved in it than what you're saying here.

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:34 am Hard to disagree with CO in your waking up on the wrong side of the bed, nj...Geezuz H.
JFTR, I suggested years ago that the men adopt some form of the women's draw (and I find it a little hard to believe you don't know it's called a face off in the men's game) but I'd like to see them drive the ball to the ground rather than in the air...then let the battle begin. This is quite a description of the face off you put up here. Somehow I'm not thinking an Ierlan, Baptise, or Phaup would agree with much of anything you say here. There's a whole lot more skill and technique involved in it than what you're saying here.

I thought the description of the face off by NJ Bill quite humorous. I do think there is more skill than meets the eye and given credit for here.

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:34 am Hard to disagree with CO in your waking up on the wrong side of the bed, nj...Geezuz H.
JFTR, I suggested years ago that the men adopt some form of the women's draw (and I find it a little hard to believe you don't know it's called a face off in the men's game) but I'd like to see them drive the ball to the ground rather than in the air...then let the battle begin. This is quite a description of the face off you put up here. Somehow I'm not thinking an Ierlan, Baptise, or Phaup would agree with much of anything you say here. There's a whole lot more skill and technique involved in it than what you're saying here.

If it makes you feel better, Sumo wrestling is a centuries old martial art that requires years of training and skill development as well as a strictly regimented lifestyle. I also think that the fact that the position of face-off specialist has existed on it's own and been so highly prized in the mens game for so many years speaks for itself (as opposed to the women's game where, while draw-specialists are now more common, straight up FOGOs are not).

Completely agree on the T Award thing, I appreciate the award less and less every year. While I see North as the most lethal offensive threat in the game, I sure don't see a complete player in her. She'll never make a play like Weeks did yesterday, for example, or give you what Belle Smith gives you on both ends of the field (plenty of other examples there too). By the same token, whose stick do you want the ball in when you most need a goal? This award is too much about goals, IMO, though.

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:58 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:34 am Hard to disagree with CO in your waking up on the wrong side of the bed, nj...Geezuz H.
JFTR, I suggested years ago that the men adopt some form of the women's draw (and I find it a little hard to believe you don't know it's called a face off in the men's game) but I'd like to see them drive the ball to the ground rather than in the air...then let the battle begin. This is quite a description of the face off you put up here. Somehow I'm not thinking an Ierlan, Baptise, or Phaup would agree with much of anything you say here. There's a whole lot more skill and technique involved in it than what you're saying here.

If it makes you feel better, Sumo wrestling is a centuries old martial art that requires years of training and skill development as well as a strictly regimented lifestyle. I also think that the fact that the position of face-off specialist has existed on it's own and been so highly prized in the mens game for so many years speaks for itself (as opposed to the women's game where, while draw-specialists are now more common, straight up FOGOs are not).

I don't know about "specialist'', w20, FOGO is a relatively new word (acronym) in the men's game. For a whole lot of years the guy doing the face stayed on the field and was a complete player, was a typical middie who played at both ends. This FOGO thing is relatively new.
JFTR, I've suggested DIVA as the acronym for the women.
Draw, Immediately Vamoose ASAP.

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:17 am

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:58 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:34 am Hard to disagree with CO in your waking up on the wrong side of the bed, nj...Geezuz H.
JFTR, I suggested years ago that the men adopt some form of the women's draw (and I find it a little hard to believe you don't know it's called a face off in the men's game) but I'd like to see them drive the ball to the ground rather than in the air...then let the battle begin. This is quite a description of the face off you put up here. Somehow I'm not thinking an Ierlan, Baptise, or Phaup would agree with much of anything you say here. There's a whole lot more skill and technique involved in it than what you're saying here.

If it makes you feel better, Sumo wrestling is a centuries old martial art that requires years of training and skill development as well as a strictly regimented lifestyle. I also think that the fact that the position of face-off specialist has existed on it's own and been so highly prized in the mens game for so many years speaks for itself (as opposed to the women's game where, while draw-specialists are now more common, straight up FOGOs are not).

I don't know about "specialist'', w20, FOGO is a relatively new word (acronym) in the men's game. For a whole lot of years the guy doing the face stayed on the field and was a complete player, was a typical middie who played at both ends. This FOGO thing is relatively new.
JFTR, I've suggested DIVA as the acronym for the women.
Draw, Immediately Vamoose ASAP.

I definitely don't keep up with the men's game as much, but I thought it was a fairly common to have a FOGO/specialist starting in the mid-late 2000s. "For years" might have implied much longer than I meant

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:22 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:17 am

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:58 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:34 am Hard to disagree with CO in your waking up on the wrong side of the bed, nj...Geezuz H.
JFTR, I suggested years ago that the men adopt some form of the women's draw (and I find it a little hard to believe you don't know it's called a face off in the men's game) but I'd like to see them drive the ball to the ground rather than in the air...then let the battle begin. This is quite a description of the face off you put up here. Somehow I'm not thinking an Ierlan, Baptise, or Phaup would agree with much of anything you say here. There's a whole lot more skill and technique involved in it than what you're saying here.

If it makes you feel better, Sumo wrestling is a centuries old martial art that requires years of training and skill development as well as a strictly regimented lifestyle. I also think that the fact that the position of face-off specialist has existed on it's own and been so highly prized in the mens game for so many years speaks for itself (as opposed to the women's game where, while draw-specialists are now more common, straight up FOGOs are not).

I don't know about "specialist'', w20, FOGO is a relatively new word (acronym) in the men's game. For a whole lot of years the guy doing the face stayed on the field and was a complete player, was a typical middie who played at both ends. This FOGO thing is relatively new.
JFTR, I've suggested DIVA as the acronym for the women.
Draw, Immediately Vamoose ASAP.

I definitely don't keep up with the men's game as much, but I thought it was a fairly common to have a FOGO/specialist starting in the mid-late 2000s. "For years" might have implied much longer than I meant

Depends on the team. They were around back in the mid to late 80's.

Bart wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:25 am

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:22 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:17 am

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:58 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:34 am Hard to disagree with CO in your waking up on the wrong side of the bed, nj...Geezuz H.
JFTR, I suggested years ago that the men adopt some form of the women's draw (and I find it a little hard to believe you don't know it's called a face off in the men's game) but I'd like to see them drive the ball to the ground rather than in the air...then let the battle begin. This is quite a description of the face off you put up here. Somehow I'm not thinking an Ierlan, Baptise, or Phaup would agree with much of anything you say here. There's a whole lot more skill and technique involved in it than what you're saying here.

If it makes you feel better, Sumo wrestling is a centuries old martial art that requires years of training and skill development as well as a strictly regimented lifestyle. I also think that the fact that the position of face-off specialist has existed on it's own and been so highly prized in the mens game for so many years speaks for itself (as opposed to the women's game where, while draw-specialists are now more common, straight up FOGOs are not).

I don't know about "specialist'', w20, FOGO is a relatively new word (acronym) in the men's game. For a whole lot of years the guy doing the face stayed on the field and was a complete player, was a typical middie who played at both ends. This FOGO thing is relatively new.
JFTR, I've suggested DIVA as the acronym for the women.
Draw, Immediately Vamoose ASAP.

I definitely don't keep up with the men's game as much, but I thought it was a fairly common to have a FOGO/specialist starting in the mid-late 2000s. "For years" might have implied much longer than I meant

Depends on the team. They were around back in the mid to late 80's.

Got it, thanks! I also should have clarified that "starting in the mid-late 2000s" = "when I started paying attention in the mid-late 2000s"

I was going back to the early '60s when I first saw lacrosse, it stayed that way for a long time too.

DMac wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:29 am I was going back to the early '60s when I first saw lacrosse, it stayed that way for a long time too.

Yes, time is relative. If you started following lacrosse 60 years ago, something only being around for the last 20 is "relatively recent".

njbill wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:31 am
Here's a pet peeve of mine. People who try to make a change to the women's game based on something done on the men's side.

How about if we do the reverse? I have an idea to change the men's game. Adopt the women's draw rules instead of the face down or face plant or whatever it is they call the play to start the men's game. The draw takes much more skill. The face plant only requires brute force. Two pigs rolling around in the mud, grunting and squealing, until one emerges with the ball. Not only does the draw take more skill to execute, but it is much more fun to watch from a fan's perspective. Who wants to watch two sumo wrestlers go at it?

So let's make a change to men's lacrosse, adopting a women's rule, for a change.

Now, to your point, which you have made before. It depends on the particular draw as to whether the center should get any credit if her team, but not she, wins the draw. If the center intends to, and does, direct the ball to a teammate on the circle, then, yes, she should get some credit. But if the ball simply squirts out in this direction or that, then, no, she shouldn't because she did nothing to help her team win the draw. Perhaps if there were a PFF type organization, they could provide this type of micro-analysis.

Edit to add: Maryland won the draw 23-14. In your view then, does North get all the blame for BC getting so badly beaten on the draw?

This had me rolling as it is a perfect description of the faceoff in mlax.

Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:05 am

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:18 am This is really just my opinion and not based on much fact, but I think this year, in order for the finalist on the losing team to have a chance at winning the award:

- they will need to have incredible game and put up big numbers
- the finalist(s) on the winning team will have to simultaneously have a pretty quiet game

I could just be misremembering how much emphasis the committee puts on the winner being on the national championship team, but like I said, this is really almost pure opinion.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 7:59 am She was rather quiet in the Carolina comeback yesterday while North willed her team to victory, scoring two of the team’s last three goals and adding a hockey assist on the game winner with 18 seconds left. She then won the draw control to seal the victory.

JO had one of the quietest 3g 3a performances I've seen. She had 2g and 2a in the final 21 minutes of the game including a goal to make it 14-9 with 8:15 left and assisted SRG to make it 14-11 at the 5:00. From there it was all Geiersbach, but Ortega (along with most of the team) shot well below their usual standard. BTW that was Schleicher that won the DC to seal the victory, wasn't it?

Geisbach had the weakest defender on her and was told keep shooting on her . Hence why ortega and others were not shooting at the end.

Geiersbach beat the following NW players on her 5 Gs ... #6, #29, #21, #19, and #15 - she pretty much beat the entire NW defense. Geiersbach was shooting because she was on fire and you keep feeding the hot player.

njbill wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:05 am CO is North's father AND publicist.

It is hard to tell whether you actually believe that I am CN's father or not. You have made that reference many times. I'm not cool enough to know if the laughing emoji means you are joking or means you are laughing at me. Just for the record, I am not CN's dad. Having said that, I think it's valuable to have posters on here who have children currently playing college lacrosse. Even adjusting for bias, they typically have a pretty good handle on the tone and direction of their kids' programs. While we're on the subject of old tropes, you have mentioned several times that I am new to the sport of women's lacrosse. I have been following the game fairly closely since 1984 when I covered women's lacrosse as a journalist. I've gained a heightened interest as my daughter fell in love with the game over the past 10 years. If that makes me a bad person or too green to post here, then I apologize. To paraphrase RFK from his 1964 campaign for a U.S. Senate seat in New York, perhaps we should limit FanLax posting to only the oldest registered member.
https://nypost.com/2000/02/20/how-rfk-s ... -outsider/

I think it's valuable to have posters on here who have children currently playing college lacrosse.

Don't necessarily disagree with this but it is a double edged sword too. They also bring a sensitivity and pave the road of the forum with eggshells making it difficult to tread on sometimes. I used to communicate semi regularly via PMs with a real superstar's mom (a real sweetie with a good sense of humor), daughter forbade Mom from posting on LaxPower. I very much get that part too.

DMac wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:55 am

I think it's valuable to have posters on here who have children currently playing college lacrosse.

Don't necessarily disagree with this but it is a double edged sword too. They also bring a sensitivity and pave the road of the forum with eggshells making it difficult to tread on sometimes. I used to communicate semi regularly via PMs with a real superstar's mom (a real sweetie with a good sense of humor), daughter forbade Mom from posting on LaxPower. I very much get that part too.

Fair point!

njbill wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:31 am

Can Opener wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:23 am You are correct, Schleicher got the ball, but North took the DC. This has been a pet peeve of mine for some time. DCs should be recorded as in men’s lacrosse where the person taking the draw/FO gets the win if their team gains control. That is a more accurate portrayal of DC success.

Here's a pet peeve of mine. People who try to make a change to the women's game based on something done on the men's side.

How about if we do the reverse? I have an idea to change the men's game. Adopt the women's draw rules instead of the face down or face plant or whatever it is they call the play to start the men's game. The draw takes much more skill. The face plant only requires brute force. Two pigs rolling around in the mud, grunting and squealing, until one emerges with the ball. Not only does the draw take more skill to execute, but it is much more fun to watch from a fan's perspective. Who wants to watch two sumo wrestlers go at it?

So let's make a change to men's lacrosse, adopting a women's rule, for a change.

Now, to your point, which you have made before. It depends on the particular draw as to whether the center should get any credit if her team, but not she, wins the draw. If the center intends to, and does, direct the ball to a teammate on the circle, then, yes, she should get some credit. But if the ball simply squirts out in this direction or that, then, no, she shouldn't because she did nothing to help her team win the draw. Perhaps if there were a PFF type organization, they could provide this type of micro-analysis.

Edit to add: Maryland won the draw 23-14. In your view then, does North get all the blame for BC getting so badly beaten on the draw?

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I can't tell if you are serious with this post or not. As Mrs. CO might tell you, it wouldn't be the first time I failed to read the room. In case this was a sincere post, I will offer a few responses.

I am not trying to change the women's game, I was really just making a nerdy stat-keeping point about how DC success is measured. Maybe, as WLP alluded to, tracking who took the draw could be a supplemental stat, not a replacement. It would actually be quite simple to do. Either the men's way or the women's way of measuring FO/DC success has flaws. In the men's game, you could win control of the clamp, direct it perfectly to a teammate on the wing who flubs it and the other FO specialist gets credit for the win when his teammate makes a spectacular GB pick up. OTOH, a woman taking the draw could direct it perfectly to her teammate who gathers in the easy "pass" and the receiver gets credit for a DC. Recording who took the draw and whether her team gained control is a relevant stat, and yes, in the case of the MD game, I would be arguing against interest in supporting CN's case for the Tewy.

On the larger point of getting upset about "people who try to make a change to the women's game based on something done on the men's side," I really don't see why it's a problem to learn from what's done in the other gender's version of the game or in other sports. Women's NCAA basketball and lacrosse implemented a shot clock before NCAA men did. In each case, the men's pro league in the sport had adopted the shot clock before the NCAA women. Nothing evil there, just good iteration in both directions -- sometimes the men lead, sometimes the women lead. You would be hard-pressed to find many folks today who would say that free movement was a bad rule change. Or that adding fixed sideline and end line boundaries to women's lacrosse was a mistake. Or limiting the number of players involved in the draw area was dumb. Those changes all moved the women's game closer to the men's, but just because they were improvements, it doesn't mean that the women's game should add helmets and padded gloves or eliminate shooting space. Measured, thoughtful progress and evolution is a good thing.

I am confident that your description of the men's faceoff was just hyperbole, but I will address it anyway: "The face plant only requires brute force." Men's FO specialists are highly skilled athletes who need extremely quick reaction time, strategy, multiple moves/counter moves, grit and durability. Conor Calderone, BU's excellent Second Team All Patriot League FO man is listed generously in the program at 5' 7" and 170 pounds. Petey Lasalla, the All American from Virginia, is also 5' 7" and has 27 career goals and 11 assists. Of course you are free to campaign for the men to adopt the women's draw control, but I think you will have an easier time convincing the NRA to renounce the Second Amendment.

Otherwise, not much has changed since you and I agreed about the basic contours of the Tewaaraton race. The most likely scenario is that the winner of today's game will also produce the Tewy winner. That's really cool and exciting. I don't know why you got so angry yesterday when I think we are agreeing on this. Even on the "edge cases" where Carolina wins, but JO has a so-so day while CN has an outstanding individual performance, I don't think we are very far apart. I'd say 60-40 CN in that case, while I think you would acknowledge at least some probability greater than zero for her.

Peace, love & lacrosse.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:40 am

njbill wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:05 am CO is North's father AND publicist.

It is hard to tell whether you actually believe that I am CN's father or not. You have made that reference many times. I'm not cool enough to know if the laughing emoji means you are joking or means you are laughing at me. Just for the record, I am not CN's dad. Having said that, I think it's valuable to have posters on here who have children currently playing college lacrosse. Even adjusting for bias, they typically have a pretty good handle on the tone and direction of their kids' programs. While we're on the subject of old tropes, you have mentioned several times that I am new to the sport of women's lacrosse. I have been following the game fairly closely since 1984 when I covered women's lacrosse as a journalist. I've gained a heightened interest as my daughter fell in love with the game over the past 10 years. If that makes me a bad person or too green to post here, then I apologize. To paraphrase RFK from his 1964 campaign for a U.S. Senate seat in New York, perhaps we should limit FanLax posting to only the oldest registered member.
https://nypost.com/2000/02/20/how-rfk-s ... -outsider/

I don't know if you are "cool" or not, but sometimes your cluelessness astounds me. You are from Boston. North's father is from Texas. Does that answer your question? You have referred to yourself as her "father." You are no doubt "cooler" than me, but I have always understood that was a joke. I, too, have referred to you as her "father" (I think I did it first) because you are as biased about her as, I suspect, her father is. He has a very valid excuse. Yours is that you are a fan of the Boston team and North. That's fine, but you rarely, if ever, acknowledge your bias.

You, yourself, said you are new to the women's game. You predominantly post on the men's side. I believe you have said you played the men's game. You have never mentioned the "journalist from the 80s" part before. My guess is you covered a couple of games while in college. Am I warm? Nevertheless, your posts reveal a relative (relative to other posters here) ignorance of the women's game.