Is Duke In Or Out After That Loss To Notre Dame?

[rolldodge]

It can change year to year, but the committee tends to like big wins. Bad for Duke. They also like performance against tournament teams. Good for Duke, but weighted toward the bottom of the field. Then there are the “bad losses” which is a wild card. I think it’s anybodys guess what they are going to do.

[MoralTerpitude]

Just to recap recent performance…

Duke is 4-4 in their last eight games. LWLWLWWL, including losses to Loyola and Syracuse, a win over UVa, wins over UNCx2 and Towson and losses to NDx2. So two “bad” losses in that stretch, three wins over teams that will miss the tournament, two losses to a team that will likely be unseeded in the tournament, and a win over a top-ten team.

Not sure if the committee looks at performance in the stretch run, but aside from the win against UVa, that’s pretty poor. I think it also deflates the Quint/Carc narrative of performing well later in the season.

[CU77]

Stretch run performance is NOT a criterion

[wgdsr]

Stretch run performance is NOT a criterion

neither is one's own rpi supposed to be, so there's that.

i'm not sure anyone knows the definition of what the criteria is in practice until the committee chair says what it is. and even then...

[1766]

Stretch run performance is NOT a criterion

neither is one's own rpi supposed to be, so there's that.

i'm not sure anyone knows the definition of what the criteria is in practice until the committee chair says what it is. and even then...

Ohio St. deserves to be in over both Duke and Harvard due to their wins and as importantly, their losses.

OSU will make it, and either Duke or Harvard at this point given how conference championship games shook out. I'd put Harvard in before Duke personally.

[Ice1570]

There is only room for one of those three, not two....unless you are saying ND, UVA, Brown or Cornell isn’t making it in.

[wgdsr]

Stretch run performance is NOT a criterion

neither is one's own rpi supposed to be, so there's that.

i'm not sure anyone knows the definition of what the criteria is in practice until the committee chair says what it is. and even then...

Ohio St. deserves to be in over both Duke and Harvard due to their wins and as importantly, their losses.

OSU will make it, and either Duke or Harvard at this point given how conference championship games shook out. I'd put Harvard in before Duke personally.

tabulate how you determine ohio state's wins are better than either of those teams?

[CU77]

Stretch run performance is NOT a criterion

neither is one's own rpi supposed to be, so there's that.

i'm not sure anyone knows the definition of what the criteria is in practice until the committee chair says what it is. and even then...

The actual criteria are hopelessly confusing. Some years ago IL published an example of the index card the NCAA prepares on each eligible team for the committee. It was just a mess, impossible to parse. But it did include the RPI number and rank, even though that's not an official criterion. It also included other stuff that's not in the criteria, like out-of-conference record. One year the committee chair said that some team's OOC record had been impressive. People at laxpower were tearing their hair out.

[Farfromgeneva]

Stretch run performance is NOT a criterion

neither is one's own rpi supposed to be, so there's that.

i'm not sure anyone knows the definition of what the criteria is in practice until the committee chair says what it is. and even then...

Ohio St. deserves to be in over both Duke and Harvard due to their wins and as importantly, their losses.

OSU will make it, and either Duke or Harvard at this point given how conference championship games shook out. I'd put Harvard in before Duke personally.

tabulate how you determine ohio state's wins are better than either of those teams?

Because.

[PicLax]

Duke should not get in. Three losses to teams not in the selection discussion. Two of those teams outside of the top 20. Only top 10 win is UVA, who really did not play well that game. Duke’s RPI is high simply because they schedule a lot of games and most of the teams they play themselves have decent RPIs. High Point in the same situation a few years ago where a couple of bad losses kept them out. Need to hold Duke’s consideration to the same standard.

[joewillie78]

When does the Bracket come out? I know the show is 8 or 9 eastern, but doesn't it come out before that or do I need to stay up. If so, I will need to make a beer run.
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Joewillie78

[laxfan1313]

When does the Bracket come out? I know the show is 8 or 9 eastern, but doesn't it come out before that or do I need to stay up. If so, I will need to make a beer run.
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Joewillie78

Unless that Supreme Court clerk is in the conference room, you'll need to do that beer run.

[HGK]

9pm.

[joewillie78]

9pm.

9pm? It will be like when Mantle told Casey, when he asked him to pinch hit and The Mick said Skip, I'm still hungover from last night, and Casey told him, if your seeing 3 balls coming at you, hit the one in the middle. The Mick crushed it about 450 feet.
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Joewillie78

[wgdsr]

Duke should not get in. Three losses to teams not in the selection discussion. Two of those teams outside of the top 20. Only top 10 win is UVA, who really did not play well that game. Duke’s RPI is high simply because they schedule a lot of games and most of the teams they play themselves have decent RPIs. High Point in the same situation a few years ago where a couple of bad losses kept them out. Need to hold Duke’s consideration to the same standard.

high point had a 20 rpi. not the same at all. and they had several very good wins.

[Kismet]

9pm.

ESPNU

[1766]

Stretch run performance is NOT a criterion

neither is one's own rpi supposed to be, so there's that.

i'm not sure anyone knows the definition of what the criteria is in practice until the committee chair says what it is. and even then...

Ohio St. deserves to be in over both Duke and Harvard due to their wins and as importantly, their losses.

OSU will make it, and either Duke or Harvard at this point given how conference championship games shook out. I'd put Harvard in before Duke personally.

tabulate how you determine ohio state's wins are better than either of those teams?

Because.

Looks like the committee "tabulated" it the same way I did. Enjoy watching the teams that actually made it.

[CU77]

Can I change my vote?