While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
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I can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
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Id bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Re: Ivy League 2022
What the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
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Why me on a string of three? I dropped in a recruit no one was talking about two weeks ago and theres one week a year I hate Cornell more than anything else in life.lorin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 amWhat the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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de-stress, not distress though.lorin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 amWhat the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
Agreed, howdyyall threw quite a bomb into the works and we knee jerked responded, yet again.
Typical off season stuff.
(I chuckled at InsiderRoll's meme though!)
Not a lot of Ivy lax to talk about, though some scrimmages coming up.
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Class of 2023 recruiting has been particularly strong. Wondering if ACC teams are holding a couple of slots for transfers?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:54 amde-stress, not distress though.lorin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 amWhat the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
Agreed, howdyyall threw quite a bomb into the works and we knee jerked responded, yet again.
Typical off season stuff.
(I chuckled at InsiderRoll's meme though!)
Not a lot of Ivy lax to talk about, though some scrimmages coming up.
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If Murphy can figure it out, and he seems close, he recruits like a killer. Would be cool to see Penn in a finals. Always hoped MVA could get them deep but wasn’t meant to be and he stands today as a shining example of some guys aren’t necessarily the best HCs but can be game changing ACsTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:00 amClass of 2023 recruiting has been particularly strong. Wondering if ACC teams are holding a couple of slots for transfers?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:54 amde-stress, not distress though.lorin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 amWhat the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
Agreed, howdyyall threw quite a bomb into the works and we knee jerked responded, yet again.
Typical off season stuff.
(I chuckled at InsiderRoll's meme though!)
Not a lot of Ivy lax to talk about, though some scrimmages coming up.
ACC - It’s an IL ranking category so I wonder if for perception sake they have to manage to that consideration. (Half serious, many coaches recognize and accept managing to media perception as part of the job)
Hop folks seem disturbed they aren’t reeling the superstars in and then consoling with the “nah we want the diamonds in the rough”. Never thought they’d be the blue collar guys.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Why are you obsessed with us? Every time I look at a new thread, there you are, without fail, finding some way to talk about Hopkins. As sure as the sun will rise.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:02 am Hop folks seem disturbed they aren’t reeling the superstars in and then consoling with the “nah we want the diamonds in the rough”. Never thought they’d be the blue collar guys.
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A compliment?HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:07 amWhy are you obsessed with us? Every time I look at a new thread, there you are, without fail, finding some way to talk about Hopkins. As sure as the sun will rise.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:02 am Hop folks seem disturbed they aren’t reeling the superstars in and then consoling with the “nah we want the diamonds in the rough”. Never thought they’d be the blue collar guys.
ACC recruiting was raised...
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I don’t know why people get so bitchy. Not enough coffee in the am? Dogs needs walking? .MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:09 amA compliment?HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:07 amWhy are you obsessed with us? Every time I look at a new thread, there you are, without fail, finding some way to talk about Hopkins. As sure as the sun will rise.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:02 am Hop folks seem disturbed they aren’t reeling the superstars in and then consoling with the “nah we want the diamonds in the rough”. Never thought they’d be the blue collar guys.
ACC recruiting was raised...
Yes I benchmark Hop w ACC and Big Ten so that’s a big part of including it. Also bring the only other D3 school playing D1 lacrosse and yes having long successful histories with very different infrastructure and resources but in two hearts of lacrosse tradition. And I even enjoyed our football playoff game in 2014 as well. Lot of schadenfruede and personal issues bleed out in some of this it seems.
And there’s a ton of posts without “they who their fans wish won’t be named” but yet want a free pass for whining at someone else in absolute terms.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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I have very little faith in IL rankings. I know a few of the kids that have committed. Don’t care where they are ranked. Hopkins will be fine. The end of 8th and 9th grade recruiting will help. Hopkins has turned the corner. I saw it two seasons ago. It’s not going to take long.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:02 amIf Murphy can figure it out, and he seems close, he recruits like a killer. Would be cool to see Penn in a finals. Always hoped MVA could get them deep but wasn’t meant to be and he stands today as a shining example of some guys aren’t necessarily the best HCs but can be game changing ACsTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:00 amClass of 2023 recruiting has been particularly strong. Wondering if ACC teams are holding a couple of slots for transfers?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:54 amde-stress, not distress though.lorin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 amWhat the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
Agreed, howdyyall threw quite a bomb into the works and we knee jerked responded, yet again.
Typical off season stuff.
(I chuckled at InsiderRoll's meme though!)
Not a lot of Ivy lax to talk about, though some scrimmages coming up.
ACC - It’s an IL ranking category so I wonder if for perception sake they have to manage to that consideration. (Half serious, many coaches recognize and accept managing to media perception as part of the job)
Hop folks seem disturbed they aren’t reeling the superstars in and then consoling with the “nah we want the diamonds in the rough”. Never thought they’d be the blue collar guys.
“I wish you would!”
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If Kirson can get hot for Hopkins they will be in a very good place...He had a tough go of it last year
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It’s interesting because I wasn’t sold on Milligan’s ability as HC, particularly on the defensive end, at Cornell. So that hire will either be brilliant or raise serious doubts over time. And what does it say about Petros later years? Should we hold HCs accountable for that stretch in general as it’s impossible to game out kids so young with respect to development. Or conversely reward the coaches like Shay who were prepared to flip guys closer in? (acknowledging that the Ivies are hamstrung like the academies and, though apparently we suck and everyone hates Hobart, us as well without scholarships to commit).Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:17 amI have very little faith in IL rankings. I know a few of the kids that have committed. Don’t care where they are ranked. Hopkins will be fine. The end of 8th and 9th grade recruiting will help. Hopkins has turned the corner. I saw it two seasons ago. It’s not going to take long.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:02 amIf Murphy can figure it out, and he seems close, he recruits like a killer. Would be cool to see Penn in a finals. Always hoped MVA could get them deep but wasn’t meant to be and he stands today as a shining example of some guys aren’t necessarily the best HCs but can be game changing ACsTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:00 amClass of 2023 recruiting has been particularly strong. Wondering if ACC teams are holding a couple of slots for transfers?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:54 amde-stress, not distress though.lorin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 amWhat the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
Agreed, howdyyall threw quite a bomb into the works and we knee jerked responded, yet again.
Typical off season stuff.
(I chuckled at InsiderRoll's meme though!)
Not a lot of Ivy lax to talk about, though some scrimmages coming up.
ACC - It’s an IL ranking category so I wonder if for perception sake they have to manage to that consideration. (Half serious, many coaches recognize and accept managing to media perception as part of the job)
Hop folks seem disturbed they aren’t reeling the superstars in and then consoling with the “nah we want the diamonds in the rough”. Never thought they’d be the blue collar guys.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Coach Milliman hired Coach Koesterer for the D, maybe the smartest move he has made as Hopkins head coach.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:27 amIt’s interesting because I wasn’t sold on Milligan’s ability as HC, particularly on the defensive end, at Cornell. So that hire will either be brilliant or raise serious doubts over time. And what does it say about Petros later years? Should we hold HCs accountable for that stretch in general as it’s impossible to game out kids so young with respect to development. Or conversely reward the coaches like Shay who were prepared to flip guys closer in? (acknowledging that the Ivies are hamstrung like the academies and, though apparently we suck and everyone hates Hobart, us as well without scholarships to commit).Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:17 amI have very little faith in IL rankings. I know a few of the kids that have committed. Don’t care where they are ranked. Hopkins will be fine. The end of 8th and 9th grade recruiting will help. Hopkins has turned the corner. I saw it two seasons ago. It’s not going to take long.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:02 amIf Murphy can figure it out, and he seems close, he recruits like a killer. Would be cool to see Penn in a finals. Always hoped MVA could get them deep but wasn’t meant to be and he stands today as a shining example of some guys aren’t necessarily the best HCs but can be game changing ACsTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:00 amClass of 2023 recruiting has been particularly strong. Wondering if ACC teams are holding a couple of slots for transfers?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:54 amde-stress, not distress though.lorin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 amWhat the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
Agreed, howdyyall threw quite a bomb into the works and we knee jerked responded, yet again.
Typical off season stuff.
(I chuckled at InsiderRoll's meme though!)
Not a lot of Ivy lax to talk about, though some scrimmages coming up.
ACC - It’s an IL ranking category so I wonder if for perception sake they have to manage to that consideration. (Half serious, many coaches recognize and accept managing to media perception as part of the job)
Hop folks seem disturbed they aren’t reeling the superstars in and then consoling with the “nah we want the diamonds in the rough”. Never thought they’d be the blue collar guys.
Koesterer’s most impressive accomplishment in 2021 was improving the Hopkins off-ball defense. Improving on-ball defense is a relatively simple thing compared to off-ball D. Need complete teamwork and buy-in to play good off-ball defense, and the Blue Jays were playing good off-ball defense by the B1G tournament.
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Re: Ivy League 2022
Petro is a good coach. Milliman will do a good job.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:27 amIt’s interesting because I wasn’t sold on Milligan’s ability as HC, particularly on the defensive end, at Cornell. So that hire will either be brilliant or raise serious doubts over time. And what does it say about Petros later years? Should we hold HCs accountable for that stretch in general as it’s impossible to game out kids so young with respect to development. Or conversely reward the coaches like Shay who were prepared to flip guys closer in? (acknowledging that the Ivies are hamstrung like the academies and, though apparently we suck and everyone hates Hobart, us as well without scholarships to commit).Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:17 amI have very little faith in IL rankings. I know a few of the kids that have committed. Don’t care where they are ranked. Hopkins will be fine. The end of 8th and 9th grade recruiting will help. Hopkins has turned the corner. I saw it two seasons ago. It’s not going to take long.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:02 amIf Murphy can figure it out, and he seems close, he recruits like a killer. Would be cool to see Penn in a finals. Always hoped MVA could get them deep but wasn’t meant to be and he stands today as a shining example of some guys aren’t necessarily the best HCs but can be game changing ACsTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:00 amClass of 2023 recruiting has been particularly strong. Wondering if ACC teams are holding a couple of slots for transfers?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:54 amde-stress, not distress though.lorin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 amWhat the heckFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:01 amId bounce the self selective nature of the tenure track process but that’s a higher Ed wide issue for me. Do think it’s become problematic in the last 20 or so years for those that teach moreso than those who do research as there’s so few outlets for PhDs who aren’t researchers to justify the cost and time at this stage in our country. Let the researchers unknown each other over ideas with little programmatic value.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:52 pmI can safely say that was not only true when my wife and I went to an Ivy, it was true as well of my son and his peers at an Ivy, 2016 grads.faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:55 pm While I believe that we may be straying into politics, and away from athletics, I'd make the following observations:
1. Most students admitted to Ivy schools are expected to show "leadership" of some sort in their activities. Such leadership tends to involve independent thinking and strong mindedness (if not some stubbornness). While the world may have changed, I'm not sure that the "brainwashing" argument is particularly valid (can you tell your 18-23 year old what to think?).
2. My further belief is that the real value of Ivy schools is the peer group interaction. While some professors might capture the imaginations of students, the views of students' peers, and interactions with them will be the best education that an Ivy student will receive.
3. Finally, being exposed to a diversity of ideas is important for young adults who will enter the workforce. If today's youth are anything like the students with whom I attended Ivy institutions with, they will take any forms of "indoctrination" with a grain of salt, or with a firm analytical dissection of what they are being asked to believe.
Obviously there will always be exceptions, but overwhelmingly accurate.
I come on this site hopefully to distress from the every day BS, can we please get back to talking lacrosse
Agreed, howdyyall threw quite a bomb into the works and we knee jerked responded, yet again.
Typical off season stuff.
(I chuckled at InsiderRoll's meme though!)
Not a lot of Ivy lax to talk about, though some scrimmages coming up.
ACC - It’s an IL ranking category so I wonder if for perception sake they have to manage to that consideration. (Half serious, many coaches recognize and accept managing to media perception as part of the job)
Hop folks seem disturbed they aren’t reeling the superstars in and then consoling with the “nah we want the diamonds in the rough”. Never thought they’d be the blue collar guys.
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Re: Ivy League 2022
From a fan of the school that can generate 759 pages on their uniform's numeric font.Why are you obsessed with us?
Re: Ivy League 2022
Yes and we keep all that nonsense in the Hopkins threadbearlaxfan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:01 amFrom a fan of the school that can generate 759 pages on their uniform's numeric font.Why are you obsessed with us?
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Re: Ivy League 2022
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:45 amYes and we keep all that nonsense in the Hopkins threadbearlaxfan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:01 amFrom a fan of the school that can generate 759 pages on their uniform's numeric font.Why are you obsessed with us?