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nyjay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:22 pm I have three boys who play relatively serious lacrosse - 17, 15, 12. And maybe my experience is atypical, but irrespective of lacrosse, they all just watch a lot less sports that I did when I was their age (or even now frankly). A lot of my peers say the same thing about their kids. As we were different from our parents, kids are just different these days, largely because of the entertainment options they have. That's not to say Gait's and Petro's status as living legends won't help them with recruiting, it will, but I think it's very unlikely to be a deciding factor in many cases. I do think (unfortunately) that Cuse will recruit very well over the next couple of years, but that's primarily because of who I understand Gait and Petro are as people and coaches rather than who they were as players.

As for the hire in general, while it's easy to assume that the entire program is going to get back up with Duke, UMd, UVa, etc., it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. I think there's a realistic chance this doesn't work. Gait's hire doesn't change the location, the weather, the amount of local talent or any other challenges that the program has faced recently. But we'll see, and if Cuse has some early success, that momentum could snowball.

nyjay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:22 pm I have three boys who play relatively serious lacrosse - 17, 15, 12. And maybe my experience is atypical, but irrespective of lacrosse, they all just watch a lot less sports that I did when I was their age (or even now frankly). A lot of my peers say the same thing about their kids. As we were different from our parents, kids are just different these days, largely because of the entertainment options they have. That's not to say Gait's and Petro's status as living legends won't help them with recruiting, it will, but I think it's very unlikely to be a deciding factor in many cases. I do think (unfortunately) that Cuse will recruit very well over the next couple of years, but that's primarily because of who I understand Gait and Petro are as people and coaches rather than who they were as players.

nyjay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:22 pm As for the hire in general, while it's easy to assume that the entire program is going to get back up with Duke, UMd, UVa, etc., it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. I think there's a realistic chance this doesn't work. Gait's hire doesn't change the location, the weather, the amount of local talent or any other challenges that the program has faced recently.

JeremyCuse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:36 pm

nyjay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:22 pm I have three boys who play relatively serious lacrosse - 17, 15, 12. And maybe my experience is atypical, but irrespective of lacrosse, they all just watch a lot less sports that I did when I was their age (or even now frankly). A lot of my peers say the same thing about their kids. As we were different from our parents, kids are just different these days, largely because of the entertainment options they have. That's not to say Gait's and Petro's status as living legends won't help them with recruiting, it will, but I think it's very unlikely to be a deciding factor in many cases. I do think (unfortunately) that Cuse will recruit very well over the next couple of years, but that's primarily because of who I understand Gait and Petro are as people and coaches rather than who they were as players.

As for the hire in general, while it's easy to assume that the entire program is going to get back up with Duke, UMd, UVa, etc., it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. I think there's a realistic chance this doesn't work. Gait's hire doesn't change the location, the weather, the amount of local talent or any other challenges that the program has faced recently. But we'll see, and if Cuse has some early success, that momentum could snowball.

Not to be a homer SU fan here but they did just beat the National Champion twice and save for this year when they lost by one goal had beat Duke like 4 straight times. Not saying their on the same level as the lack of tourney success sticks out big time but Gait isn't taking over at Canisius or something, SU is right there.

nyjay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:51 pm

JeremyCuse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:36 pm

nyjay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:22 pm I have three boys who play relatively serious lacrosse - 17, 15, 12. And maybe my experience is atypical, but irrespective of lacrosse, they all just watch a lot less sports that I did when I was their age (or even now frankly). A lot of my peers say the same thing about their kids. As we were different from our parents, kids are just different these days, largely because of the entertainment options they have. That's not to say Gait's and Petro's status as living legends won't help them with recruiting, it will, but I think it's very unlikely to be a deciding factor in many cases. I do think (unfortunately) that Cuse will recruit very well over the next couple of years, but that's primarily because of who I understand Gait and Petro are as people and coaches rather than who they were as players.

As for the hire in general, while it's easy to assume that the entire program is going to get back up with Duke, UMd, UVa, etc., it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. I think there's a realistic chance this doesn't work. Gait's hire doesn't change the location, the weather, the amount of local talent or any other challenges that the program has faced recently. But we'll see, and if Cuse has some early success, that momentum could snowball.

Not to be a homer SU fan here but they did just beat the National Champion twice and save for this year when they lost by one goal had beat Duke like 4 straight times. Not saying their on the same level as the lack of tourney success sticks out big time but Gait isn't taking over at Canisius or something, SU is right there.

I guess, but if that were actually the case, wouldn't Desko be back? Trying to be objective (which is hard for me), I think the team has been consistently overrated for awhile, and I think that's led to disappointment among the fan base. This year's expectations were totally unrealistic. Losing in the quarters (i.e. a top 9-12 team), is a fair reflection of where I think the program is and has been for a bit. I don't doubt they'll stay in a similar spot. What I question is whether they get back to being a fairly regular participant in the final four, which is what I think success means at Cuse.

DMac wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:47 am It's official. What a duo, watched these two play against each other a couple of times, what a match up!
Both of these guys have a lot of respect for one another, think this is going to be very interesting.
Welcome to Cuse, Dave, glad to have you.
https://cuse.com/news/2021/6/15/mens-la ... coach.aspx

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:25 pm similar story at the World Games. Petro walked away with the MVP trophy (I believe).

DMac wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:15 am I agree.

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:03 am I believe you're 100% right about that. Pretty sure this discussion started out as Gary's going to have a hard time recruiting because today's young laxers don't know who he is and never saw him play. The never saw him play part is just ridiculous, how many D1 laxers saw their coaches play and chose that school because of that? While some here claim that none of the kids they're coaching/are around know who Gait is, I'll tell you my son down in Texas laughed at that when I told him and said all the kids down here sure as hell know who he is. Frankly, I'd take the no one knowing who he is with a grain of salt.
Agree with the likability/personality factor being a very big part of recruiting. Don't know how many of you have had the opportunity to be around Gary and get to know him a little bit but I can tell you the likability factor is pretty high with him. He's pretty laid back, quick to smile, and very easy to talk to. Then enter what he accomplished as a player and coach and that young recruit is going to know who he is. Bring that kid to a game in the Dome now (the kid will probably recognize Gary as the guy in the picture on the wall doing the Air Gait at that point) and have him experience that atmosphere while looking at the eleven national championship banners hanging from rafters. I don't think Gary is going to have a whole lot of trouble with recruiting. While there's a lot of competition out there, Cuse is still a mighty attractive place to come and play. While kids might decide to go elsewhere, it's not going to be because they don't know who Gary and Dave are or never saw them play. Gary's been a mighty successful recruiter on the wlax side and I don't see a reason in the world why he won't be the same on the mlax side. This whole discussion of him having trouble with the recruiting part of the job is ridiculous, IMO. It's still Cuse lacrosse, it's far from dead and has been given a real jolt and new look, pretty hard for me to believe a young laxer isn't going to be able to get excited about that even if they never saw Gary and Dave play. JMHO.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:02 am If you guys pick up Jason Knox I’m literally going to firebomb the dome...

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:31 am Petro had top 5 and usually top 3 and sometimes top 1 classes annually over his tenure at Hopkins which is a much more difficult place to recruit students to and get them to maintain success on and off the field. I don't know your program well enough but I don't think recruiting will be an issue.