Re: US Lacrosse Top 20
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:12 pm
You really are something. I’ll try explain this to you. The 1-0 score was chosen intentionally because of the 0 denominator. It was a example of what a ridiculous idea it is to try to compare the dominance of scores by looking at marginal percentage of victory. No one compares scores by percentage margins, just margin of victory. The further examples, after pointing out the math errors, with 22-8 being less “impressive” than 3-1 fully show that. Who knows who would have one last year. If they played this year, which they won’t because of boneheaded NESCAC administrations, Salisbury would be heavily favored with their PG team.Dr. Pretorious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:51 pmAgreed; clearly not a math major - can’t use a 1-0 score as a ratio for comparison of any statistic since the denominator (0) has no value (it’s infinite) and therefore can’t be used as a basis of comparison of anything ... You were actually correct to choose it as a score to invalidate the theory, but not for the reason that you thinkpcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:07 pmGot it. So a 1-0 victory is more impressive than 20-1. I actually also was a history major but can fumble enough through the maths to know that is not how people look at scores, for obvious reasons. I get it, you don't like high scoring games. Some people prefer to watch an 8-2 game, some 25-18. The point of the game though is to score more than the other team. The more goals you win by, the more dominant the win. The absolute number for each team reflects the style of play of the game, not the dominance of the margin. I am not a Tufts fan at all. You want an example of an out of the blue rant, just go re-read your post and try to figure out what that was in response to.Dr. Pretorious wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:58 pmOk; I’ll try to explain ...
(Excuse you for being a history major, no worries).
As the math majors and seasoned sports fans will understand, there is a significant difference in the relative dominance reflected in the two scores. Let’s refer to the 8-2 score as game A and the 25-18 score as game B.
In game A the winning team scored 400% more than the losing team, whereas in game B the winning team scored 138% more than the losing team. That’s virtually 3 to 1 ratio.
In game A the losing team, assuming it gave up no more goals, would have had to increase its own goal scoring output by 300% just to bring the score even, whereas in game B the losing team would have only needed to increase its own goal scoring output by 38% to bring the game even. That’s almost a 9 to 1 ratio.
In game A the losing team scored 25% as much as the winning team, whereas in game B The losing team scored 72% as much as the winning team. Again, virtually a 3 to 1 ratio.
So, just my humble opinion, but once we check our team/conference allegiances at the door and look at it objectively, I don’t think there can really be much argument as to which is the more dominating victory. Again, just my opinion.
And again, wasn’t taking any shots at your conference and if you look at my post I conceded that most years, in and out, it is the strongest conference. I still don’t understand why you guys are so insecure and go from 0 to 100 anytime anyone suggests anything other than Tufts et al are hands-down, unequivocally and without doubt the best teams in D3 bar none. If you go back and look at the original post in this thread that started this debate, someone had suggested that if Tufts had played Salisbury last year, they would have absolutely dominated the game, hands-down, no doubt about it and Salisbury wouldn’t have had a chance. It was that rather extreme opinion that I and others sought to respond to. No doubt Tufts certainly could have/ would have won the game, but it is silly to suggest that it would’ve been a complete domination and that Salisbury wouldn’t have stood a chance. That’s just an absurd opinion in the eyes of anyone who follows D3 lax.
And again, not a Salisbury fan here per se. So you can save the six grade level name-calling in your anticipated responses ...
But, we are way, way off topic here. As I stated twice already - it’s simply my opinion that one score reflects a more dominant performance than the other. Has nothing to do with preferring high or low scoring games. Just an opinion as to one way to look at game scores and compare margins of victory, that’s all ... shouldn’t be that hard to comprehend (especially for a history major). Without question you are free to disagree and take another view. But certainly no need for the nasty and insulting retorts - is that how you always respond to people who don’t necessarily agree with everything you have to say?
Again you make reference to my alleged prior “rants” and again I’ll ask you to provide an example, as you must have me confused with another poster. My original post on this thread simply suggested that it was impossible for anyone (me, you, or anyone else) to state unequivocally who would have won a game - played last year - between two teams that never did play each other, never had a common opponent (and I don’t believe even had a game played between their respective conferences), and that no amount of micro analyzing hand picked statistics would be meaningful or absolutely predict the winner of such a game. I believe all the back-and-forth on this thread since then about which statistics should be considered, which represent more meaningful statistics or margins of victory etc. just proves the point. The exercise is a waste of time no matter which side you are trying to suggest would have won the game. Not sure why that’s difficult to understand or worthy of the vitriolic responses, name-calling etc.
After taking a quick look at your history of posts on this forum, across all threads, noting the volume, length and tone, I don’t think you should be pointing fingers at too many folks on this board for ranting, and certainly not for being insulting/ sophomoric and disrespectful towards anyone who disagrees with one of your views.
Done here; enjoy the season and best of luck to whichever team/conferences you will be pulling for - hoping for us all that we get some semblance of a season in.