Election Reform

[ggait]

Who cares if we prevent 10,000 lawful voters from voting, so long as we can stop that one guy (who maybe doesn't even exist actually and is most likely a Trumper anyway) from improperly voting.

Well, that's OK so long as the 10,000 are folks who vote Dem (POCs, young folks, etc.).

That's basically what the GOP stands for. As they work furiously to erase scourges like Sunday voting, drop boxes, automatic DMV voter registration and no excuse mail-in voting.

All of which have existed in many states for years and were fine. Until Dems started using those things in quantity in 2020.

TL/DR: "Fraud" is a synonym for "valid Dem votes."

[CU88]

We have found the voter fraud. It’s the GOP.

Republican Judge Tomas ‘Tommy’ Ramirez III was arrested along with three other people on 150 counts of voter fraud. They’re accused of multiple charges including ballot harvesting at nursing homes in South Texas.

https://lawsintexas.com/republican-judg ... legations/

[MDlaxfan76]

We have found the voter fraud. It’s the GOP.

Republican Judge Tomas ‘Tommy’ Ramirez III was arrested along with three other people on 150 counts of voter fraud. They’re accused of multiple charges including ballot harvesting at nursing homes in South Texas.

https://lawsintexas.com/republican-judg ... legations/

I was reading your link....and at the bottom there's an advert for fundraising for the indicted judge, the subject of the article! Was that just in my feed or is this in everyone's???

[CU88]

We have found the voter fraud. It’s the GOP.

Republican Judge Tomas ‘Tommy’ Ramirez III was arrested along with three other people on 150 counts of voter fraud. They’re accused of multiple charges including ballot harvesting at nursing homes in South Texas.

https://lawsintexas.com/republican-judg ... legations/

I was reading your link....and at the bottom there's an advert for fundraising for the indicted judge, the subject of the article! Was that just in my feed or is this in everyone's???

LOL, I saw it also.

[CU88]

Though courts across the country found no evidence of fraud in 2020 election, bills to limit voting rights have since been filed in 33 Republican-dominated state legislatures. Now SCOTUS is hearing a case that could green light these bills.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/02/97072942 ... reme-court

[cradleandshoot]

I believe it is perfectly logical for the federal government to establish national guidelines that assure everyone has the chance to vote. This does not have to infringe on how states run their elections. The states should be given plenty of leeway to run their elections in a manner that guarantees everybody the right to vote and the opportunity to vote in every election. If the state is not following the guidelines for how to run a national election then they should face any consequences. The fly in the ointment would be what type of guidelines would the feds propose. It does not have to be all that complicated.

[ggait]

We had that. It was called the Voting Rights Act.

Worked great for 50 years. Huge bipartisan support.

Then was taken out by SCOTUS. And blocked from restoration by solely the GOP.

It isn’t complicated. GOP is opposed to having Dem demographics vote. It is 110% on the GOP alone.

[CU88]

A minority is now ruling the country...

[jhu72]

A minority is now ruling the country...

... not exactly new. Been going on for some time now.

[a fan]

I believe it is perfectly logical for the federal government to establish national guidelines that assure everyone has the chance to vote. This does not have to infringe on how states run their elections. The states should be given plenty of leeway to run their elections in a manner that guarantees everybody the right to vote and the opportunity to vote in every election. If the state is not following the guidelines for how to run a national election then they should face any consequences. The fly in the ointment would be what type of guidelines would the feds propose. It does not have to be all that complicated.

Yes, but if you do that, and make it so that everyone has fair and reasonably equal elections? Republicans will lose elections.

And we can't have that, now can't we?

[cradleandshoot]

I believe it is perfectly logical for the federal government to establish national guidelines that assure everyone has the chance to vote. This does not have to infringe on how states run their elections. The states should be given plenty of leeway to run their elections in a manner that guarantees everybody the right to vote and the opportunity to vote in every election. If the state is not following the guidelines for how to run a national election then they should face any consequences. The fly in the ointment would be what type of guidelines would the feds propose. It does not have to be all that complicated.

Yes, but if you do that, and make it so that everyone has fair and reasonably equal elections? Republicans will lose elections.

And we can't have that, now can't we?

I am probably dumb enough to think that the Republicans are perfectly capable of getting their people to vote. It is pretty stupid to try and stop the other side. You should worry about what your party can control.

[a fan]

I believe it is perfectly logical for the federal government to establish national guidelines that assure everyone has the chance to vote. This does not have to infringe on how states run their elections. The states should be given plenty of leeway to run their elections in a manner that guarantees everybody the right to vote and the opportunity to vote in every election. If the state is not following the guidelines for how to run a national election then they should face any consequences. The fly in the ointment would be what type of guidelines would the feds propose. It does not have to be all that complicated.

Yes, but if you do that, and make it so that everyone has fair and reasonably equal elections? Republicans will lose elections.

And we can't have that, now can't we?

I am probably dumb enough to think that the Republicans are perfectly capable of getting their people to vote. It is pretty stupid to try and stop the other side. You should worry about what your party can control.

As GGait has pointed out, Colorado isn't run by the stupid partisan nutjobs. At least not yet.

So we don't have gerrymandered districts. And voting is easy, secure. Result? I can vote for D's or R's on the ballot without enabling extremists from either party.

As it should be.

[ggait]

The solutions are easy and obvious. But to implement those obvious solutions, you can't have the rat-forkers running the process.

As Fan correctly points out, CO has banned partisan gerry-mandering. Given the large number of independents out here in the West, the CO voters overwhelmingly told the rat-forkers (mostly GOP, but some Dems) to pound sand.

Our lines (congress and legislature) get drawn by an independent commission. 12 members -- 4R, 4D, 4I. Approval of any map requires 8 votes (including two Is). Done! Problem solved!

So simple. You just can't have the shrinking scurrilous minority party hijacking the system to retain waning power in its cold dead hands.

[njbill]

Now you just have to redraw the lines to put that gun lovin’ Barbie doll in the western part of your state out of business.

Boggles my mind that you can have someone like her, but then two of the best representatives in the House in Jason Crow and Joe Neguse.

[Kismet]

This exchange just happened at SCOTUS oral arguments today

Justice Barrett: What is the interest of the GOP in keeping (laws that suppress minority voters) on the books?

Republican Lawyer: It puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to Democrats. Politics is a zero-sum game

Case is Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee

Saying the Republican plan out loud in court

[Farfromgeneva]

I believe it is perfectly logical for the federal government to establish national guidelines that assure everyone has the chance to vote. This does not have to infringe on how states run their elections. The states should be given plenty of leeway to run their elections in a manner that guarantees everybody the right to vote and the opportunity to vote in every election. If the state is not following the guidelines for how to run a national election then they should face any consequences. The fly in the ointment would be what type of guidelines would the feds propose. It does not have to be all that complicated.

Yes, but if you do that, and make it so that everyone has fair and reasonably equal elections? Republicans will lose elections.

And we can't have that, now can't we?

I am probably dumb enough to think that the Republicans are perfectly capable of getting their people to vote. It is pretty stupid to try and stop the other side. You should worry about what your party can control.

How did that work out in the Georgia senate runoff elections?

[cradleandshoot]

I believe it is perfectly logical for the federal government to establish national guidelines that assure everyone has the chance to vote. This does not have to infringe on how states run their elections. The states should be given plenty of leeway to run their elections in a manner that guarantees everybody the right to vote and the opportunity to vote in every election. If the state is not following the guidelines for how to run a national election then they should face any consequences. The fly in the ointment would be what type of guidelines would the feds propose. It does not have to be all that complicated.

Yes, but if you do that, and make it so that everyone has fair and reasonably equal elections? Republicans will lose elections.

And we can't have that, now can't we?

I am probably dumb enough to think that the Republicans are perfectly capable of getting their people to vote. It is pretty stupid to try and stop the other side. You should worry about what your party can control.

How did that work out in the Georgia senate runoff elections?

It worked out that the Dems worked harder and got their voters out to the polls. Having dump trying to help the republican cause made things even worse.

[holmes435]

This exchange just happened at SCOTUS oral arguments today

Justice Barrett: What is the interest of the GOP in keeping (laws that suppress minority voters) on the books?

Republican Lawyer: It puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to Democrats. Politics is a zero-sum game

Case is Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee

Saying the Republican plan out loud in court

Republican voters: "What's the problem?"

[youthathletics]

Figured this fit best in the thread.....enthralling article, displaying how our elections are influenced, regardless of who is in office. The very sad part.....it highlights what we all knew anyway, it's about money and power:

Andy Khawaja: ‘the whistleblower’
Andy Khawaja is charged with campaign finance violations. He says there’s a bigger story

[Peter Brown]

Figured this fit best in the thread.....enthralling article, displaying how our elections are influenced, regardless of who is in office. The very sad part.....it highlights what we all knew anyway, it's about money and power:

Andy Khawaja: ‘the whistleblower’
Andy Khawaja is charged with campaign finance violations. He says there’s a bigger story

Fascinating article. Not sure what to make of this guy.