njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:48 am
These are trade deals, not peace treaties, of course. Yes, establishing diplomatic relations is a good thing, but geopolitically, it is insignificant.
Add in the fact that the two countries agreed to the deals in exchange for being sold U.S. military hardware they wanted, and it's obvious their agreements were simply bought. Of course, Bibi went along. He is beholden to Trump and on the thinnest of thin ices in Israel.
Remains to be seen whether, as Trump claims, other similar trade deals will follow with other similarly situated peaceful Arab countries. Saudi Arabia? No way in hell will they establish diplomatic relations with Israel.
The Palestinians are understandably PO'd. These deals certainly don't make a peace deal with Israel more likely, as if Jared Kushner could ever come within one million miles of brokering that.
Trump has already royally screwed up any hope of progress with Iran by reneging on the nuclear agreement. Would step 2, getting Iran to stop supporting terrorism, have happened? A real long shot to be sure, but at least a beginning groundwork was in place. Now? No chance in hell. Why would Iran ever do a deal with the U.S. again? Trump has committed some doozies of blunders, but pulling out of the Iran deal is at or near the top of the list.
So what does the U.S. get out of these two trade deals, other than the companies that make the planes, etc. to be sold to them? Nothing. Not a GD thing.
If they're insignificant why didn't somebody else do them.
Libs Jeezus
Next week Trump and Kushner get Netanyahu back to the White House for peace treaties with two more: Peru and Tonga.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:25 pm
by old salt
Our sailors on ships based in Bahrain & our airman launching strike aircraft from their base in the UAE disagree that this is insignificant.
All of you who complain that Trump undermined NATO should cheer this strengthening of an alliance in a region that is actually relevant.
Just a trade deal.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:42 pm
by njbill
How did anything change for them?
Answer: it didn’t.
It’s not a peace agreement. The countries were not and have never been at war.
What do you call it then?
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:26 pm
by Peter Brown
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:25 pm
Our sailors on ships based in Bahrain & our airman launching strike aircraft from their base in the UAE disagree that this is insignificant.
All of you who complain that Trump undermined NATO should cheer this strengthening of an alliance in a region that is actually relevant.
Just a trade deal.
These lefty birdbrains will never admit the obvious pluses from this deal. You’re trying to convince someone who’s brain dead to start exercising their brain. Good luck.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:56 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:25 pm
Our sailors on ships based in Bahrain & our airman launching strike aircraft from their base in the UAE disagree that this is insignificant.
Why? What did this change for them? They were there last year. They were there this year. They'll be there next year. Same as it ever was.
It's a good thing, no question. Let's not go overboard, though....i think that's what posters are saying here. Trump is acting like this is peace in the ME, and no such thing has happened.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:30 pm
by old salt
njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:42 pm
How did anything change for them?
Answer: it didn’t.
It’s not a peace agreement. The countries were not and have never been at war.
What do you call it then?
This is like the Berlin Wall coming down, in the middle east. It's a realignment.
It's the initial step in formalizing an alliance to contain & deter Iran & their proxies.
Who would have dared to imagine this in 1967 or 1973 ?
The Palestinians must make peace or be further marginalized.
njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:42 pm
How did anything change for them?
Answer: it didn’t.
It’s not a peace agreement. The countries were not and have never been at war.
What do you call it then?
This is like the Berlin Wall coming down, in the middle east. It's a realignment.
It's the initial step in formalizing an alliance to contain & deter Iran & their proxies.
Who would have dared to imagine this in 1967 or 1973 ?
The Palestinians must make peace or be further marginalized.
Calm down. This isn't exactly Begin/Sadat type material. Bahrain and UAE basically traded diplomatic relations/recognition of Israel in return for 1) Bibi's guarantee not to annex any Palestinian land as allowed in the recent Kushner one-sided "peace plan" and 2) the ability to purchase latest American war technology including F-35 stealth aircraft plus advanced stealth drones. Makes sense for them as a hedge against Iran (although Bibi is reportedly not too happy about his new "allies" having the same high-tech aircraft as he does now....wonder why that is?????)
It's your typical mafia-style deal brought to you by dirtbag Kushner and the rest of the family business including disguised Neocons like O'Brien, Pompeo, Cotton and the rest of your alleged multi-dimensional chess players. You complain about BHO selling out and then look the other way when your heroes do the selling out just in a different way.
Might also explain why the Qataris (who may be next in line for the same arrangement) were recently outed as renting a entire floor of of a SFO Trump property for quite some time without so much as ever occupying any of the space - KACHING!
Don't forget to applaud DoD for finally supplying what's left of our troops in Syria alleged ""guarding oil" some armored Bradley Fighting Vehicles to deal with Rooskie provocations ramming Humvees still trying to get DOPUS to remove all of them from the region.
njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:42 pm
How did anything change for them?
Answer: it didn’t.
It’s not a peace agreement. The countries were not and have never been at war.
What do you call it then?
This is like the Berlin Wall coming down, in the middle east. It's a realignment.
It's the initial step in formalizing an alliance to contain & deter Iran & their proxies.
Who would have dared to imagine this in 1967 or 1973 ?
The Palestinians must make peace or be further marginalized.
Calm down. This isn't exactly Begin/Sadat type material. Bahrain and UAE basically traded diplomatic relations/recognition of Israel in return for 1) Bibi's guarantee not to annex any Palestinian land as allowed in the recent Kushner one-sided "peace plan" and 2) the ability to purchase latest American war technology including F-35 stealth aircraft plus advanced stealth drones. Makes sense for them as a hedge against Iran (although Bibi is reportedly not too happy about his new "allies" having the same high-tech aircraft as he does now....wonder why that is?????)
It's your typical mafia-style deal brought to you by dirtbag Kushner and the rest of the family business including disguised Neocons like O'Brien, Pompeo, Cotton and the rest of your alleged multi-dimensional chess players. You complain about BHO selling out and then look the other way when your heroes do the selling out just in a different way.
Might also explain why the Qataris (who may be next in line for the same arrangement) were recently outed as renting a entire floor of of a SFO Trump property for quite some time without so much as ever occupying any of the space - KACHING!
Don't forget to applaud DoD for finally supplying what's left of our troops in Syria alleged ""guarding oil" some armored Bradley Fighting Vehicles to deal with Rooskie provocations ramming Humvees still trying to get DOPUS to remove all of them from the region.
As usual, you're delusional.
You all do realize that you are proving the value of this "deal"; money, alliances, safety and stability, is what 'most' all countries and its people want. The ability to sit at the table and work things out....unlike our own damned congress. The opposition sound like a salesman that can't figure out how they lost a big sale, when it really just boiled down to some good ole' fashion relationship building and sharing some perks. The Art of the Deal?
njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:42 pm
How did anything change for them?
Answer: it didn’t.
It’s not a peace agreement. The countries were not and have never been at war.
What do you call it then?
This is like the Berlin Wall coming down, in the middle east. It's a realignment.
It's the initial step in formalizing an alliance to contain & deter Iran & their proxies.
Who would have dared to imagine this in 1967 or 1973 ?
The Palestinians must make peace or be further marginalized.
Calm down. This isn't exactly Begin/Sadat type material. Bahrain and UAE basically traded diplomatic relations/recognition of Israel in return for 1) Bibi's guarantee not to annex any Palestinian land as allowed in the recent Kushner one-sided "peace plan" and 2) the ability to purchase latest American war technology including F-35 stealth aircraft plus advanced stealth drones. Makes sense for them as a hedge against Iran (although Bibi is reportedly not too happy about his new "allies" having the same high-tech aircraft as he does now....wonder why that is?????)
It's your typical mafia-style deal brought to you by dirtbag Kushner and the rest of the family business including disguised Neocons like O'Brien, Pompeo, Cotton and the rest of your alleged multi-dimensional chess players. You complain about BHO selling out and then look the other way when your heroes do the selling out just in a different way.
Might also explain why the Qataris (who may be next in line for the same arrangement) were recently outed as renting a entire floor of of a SFO Trump property for quite some time without so much as ever occupying any of the space - KACHING!
Don't forget to applaud DoD for finally supplying what's left of our troops in Syria alleged ""guarding oil" some armored Bradley Fighting Vehicles to deal with Rooskie provocations ramming Humvees still trying to get DOPUS to remove all of them from the region.
As usual, you're delusional.
You all do realize that you are proving the value of this "deal"; money, alliances, safety and stability, is what 'most' all countries and its people want. The ability to sit at the table and work things out....unlike our own damned congress. The opposition sound like a salesman that can't figure out how they lost a big sale, when it really just boiled down to some good ole' fashion relationship building and sharing some perks. The Art of the Deal?
Like this?
Yeah, sure!
Not a chance.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:43 am
by youthathletics
No, not like that.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:10 am
by Kismet
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:43 am
No, not like that.
Then you don't IMHO understand how the art of a deal works especially in NY where DOPUS comes from (which is why I provided the example of corrupt practice that I did).
It's only good for those in on the deal which, in this case, still disenfranchises many, many people while enriching others already more than enriched.
The basic problem here is this is NOT a real estate deal. In addition, I don't personally subscribe to grading diplomacy on the same curve as real estate deals or mob shakedowns.
njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:42 pm
How did anything change for them?
Answer: it didn’t.
It’s not a peace agreement. The countries were not and have never been at war.
What do you call it then?
This is like the Berlin Wall coming down, in the middle east. It's a realignment.
It's the initial step in formalizing an alliance to contain & deter Iran & their proxies.
Who would have dared to imagine this in 1967 or 1973 ?
The Palestinians must make peace or be further marginalized.
I hope you are right, but I don’t think you are.
These two countries are bit players, if that. Nothing gets done without the big boys.
If you think the Palestinians are going to get marginalized into oblivion, I disagree. They won’t and they shouldn’t. They have a right to exist. After all, it was their country.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:53 am
by njbill
And Israel’s agreement not to further expand into the West Bank is “temporary.” What kind of an agreement is that? It’s nothing.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:55 am
by 6ftstick
njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:43 am
Uh, because they are insignificant.
Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:48 amDon't forget to applaud DoD for finally supplying what's left of our troops in Syria alleged ""guarding oil" some armored Bradley Fighting Vehicles to deal with Rooskie provocations ramming Humvees still trying to get DOPUS to remove all of them from the region.
BFD. The Bradley's went in when we deployed to the oil fields last fall, then they went back to Kuwait.
This just brings 6 of them back to the oil fields.
Whatever happened to the predicted Kurdish genocide when we withdrew our tethered goat soldiers from their token Turkish border outposts ?
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:08 pm
by jhu72
I submit the two Arab states are not more safe today. They have made themselves larger targets for middle east terrorism. That's a greater threat than whatever they thought a direct attack by Iran was. Net net, it has likely raised the hostility threat in the ME in whole.
