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Great post. As a note, Cornell might not be far behind in the education number. Cornell has had a Native American living center for many years, and it's contract colleges have a mission to educate NYS residents.

I guess that's assuming that you include us in the Ivy League...

b1w7o9y7h wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:09 am ABV...some homework for you...

https://students.dartmouth.edu/nap/about/history

Highlight: "when John G. Kemeny became the 13th president of Dartmouth College in 1970. In his inaugural address, he pledged to redress the historical lack of opportunities for Native Americans in higher education. In recommitting Dartmouth to its founding purpose, John Kemeny established a Native American Program at the College and directed the Admissions Office to begin actively recruiting Indian students for the very first time. In the 48 years that have passed since former President Kemeny's historical address, Dartmouth's commitment to Indian education has remained strong. In this brief time, nearly 700 Native Americans from over 200 different tribes have attended Dartmouth, more than at all the other Ivy League institutions combined".

It's not about Native American's who play lacrosse, it's about Native Americans having educational opportunities at the highest level.

Regarding endowment, Dartmouth's paltry $5.2 billion endowment which is ranked #22 in America (out of 5,300 colleges and universities), just behind #21 USC and just ahead of #23 "The" Ohio State University....is indeed a disgraceful disgusting disgrace! !

Know all about the "redress", and you are claiming that 14 undergrads are natives, every year on average. Just for the past 40 years, not ONE of them can play lacrosse .

My point is, is the coaching staff even trying to recruit from a demographic historically accomodated at Dartmouth ? If not, why not?

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:40 am

b1w7o9y7h wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:09 am ABV...some homework for you...

https://students.dartmouth.edu/nap/about/history

Highlight: "when John G. Kemeny became the 13th president of Dartmouth College in 1970. In his inaugural address, he pledged to redress the historical lack of opportunities for Native Americans in higher education. In recommitting Dartmouth to its founding purpose, John Kemeny established a Native American Program at the College and directed the Admissions Office to begin actively recruiting Indian students for the very first time. In the 48 years that have passed since former President Kemeny's historical address, Dartmouth's commitment to Indian education has remained strong. In this brief time, nearly 700 Native Americans from over 200 different tribes have attended Dartmouth, more than at all the other Ivy League institutions combined".

It's not about Native American's who play lacrosse, it's about Native Americans having educational opportunities at the highest level.

Regarding endowment, Dartmouth's paltry $5.2 billion endowment which is ranked #22 in America (out of 5,300 colleges and universities), just behind #21 USC and just ahead of #23 "The" Ohio State University....is indeed a disgraceful disgusting disgrace! !

Know all about the "redress", and you are claiming that 14 undergrads are natives, every year on average. Just for the past 40 years, not ONE of them can play lacrosse .

My point is, is the coaching staff even trying to recruit from a demographic historically accomodated at Dartmouth ? If not, why not?

Yes

I don't recall claiming anything. I do recall providing links to Native American enrollment statistics, and endowment statistics. The "why are those who have the Creator's game in their blood" not attending Dartmouth is not a question I have answers or insights regarding. The broader question I'm a bit intrigued with is the average number of D1 lacrosse players - all schools - who are Native American in any given year (over, say, the past decade). Lots of press for the likes and talents of the Thompson twins, but just how large is the talent pool in any given year, and where ARE they going to school?

b1w7o9y7h wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:41 am I don't recall claiming anything. I do recall providing links to Native American enrollment statistics, and endowment statistics. The "why are those who have the Creator's game in their blood" not attending Dartmouth is not a question I have answers or insights regarding. The broader question I'm a bit intrigued with is the average number of D1 lacrosse players - all schools - who are Native American in any given year (over, say, the past decade). Lots of press for the likes and talents of the Thompson twins, but just how large is the talent pool in any given year, and where ARE they going to school?

Very large (talent pool ) .....the support network...not so much. Which I don't like.

How does one determine if a player, in any given year, is a member of one of the 600 "recognized" tribes . Looks? Name? Former could be a slippery slope. Pick them from this roster, first glance. Not easy. Finding lax players (this demo ) for Dartmouth ? easy.

https://onondagalazers.com/roster.aspx?path=mlax

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:13 am

b1w7o9y7h wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:41 am I don't recall claiming anything. I do recall providing links to Native American enrollment statistics, and endowment statistics. The "why are those who have the Creator's game in their blood" not attending Dartmouth is not a question I have answers or insights regarding. The broader question I'm a bit intrigued with is the average number of D1 lacrosse players - all schools - who are Native American in any given year (over, say, the past decade). Lots of press for the likes and talents of the Thompson twins, but just how large is the talent pool in any given year, and where ARE they going to school?

Very large (talent pool ) .....the support network...not so much. Which I don't like.

How does one determine if a player, in any given year, is a member of one of the 600 "recognized" tribes . Looks? Name? Former could be a slippery slope. Pick them from this roster, first glance. Not easy. Finding lax players (this demo ) for Dartmouth ? easy.

https://onondagalazers.com/roster.aspx?path=mlax

Why don’t you set up a service to establish a network? (If you have not already). I had a conversation with a guy whose son is a swimmer and they were contacted by a guy that tries to do some recruiting legwork for kids looking for more exposure.

"Varsity Blues"?

faircornell wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:07 pm Great post. As a note, Cornell might not be far behind in the education number. Cornell has had a Native American living center for many years, and it's contract colleges have a mission to educate NYS residents.

I guess that's assuming that you include us in the Ivy League...

Kidding aside, I know that Cornell has a strong relationship with the Tewaaraton organization which provides Native American scholarships for university. Perhaps DC could also explore such links (if it has not already).

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:48 am I won't believe Dartmouth is even a little bit serious about lacrosse until the start recruiting Native Americans like it's founders mission statement claims to make.

Instead they get kids that played at a "showcase" this past weekend because the Dartmouth Indians (old mascot ??) like them full pay, prep school kids.
it's endowment is too small for aid.

The pool of Native lacrosse players who meet AI / academic requirements to play at an Ivy has to be pretty small, no?

Is the AI in stone?? Could Dartmouth get an exception from the powers that be, in order to help a Native American. I am sure Dartmouth would have a "liberal" scale,

I believe that the Ivies have managed some AI requirements for certain sports for diversity purposes. I may be wrong.

Does anyone know how many Native American's are currently rostered in the Ivy League for the 2020 season?

RumorMill wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:00 pm Does anyone know how many Native American's are currently rostered in the Ivy League for the 2020 season?

Are there even 2? Per class? or total all classes?
Seems to me that CU has indeed had the most of any Ivies, most likely due to proximity.
But that's just an assumption.

But yes, I've heard there been some efforts (now) to take a look at whether there are any difference makers who could meet the AI. Money is the easiest part as Native Americans go in free at Dartmouth...they do need to get in, though. Being a strong athlete definitely would help, as does any aspect of underprivileged background...kid needs to be a good kid, regardless of other factors.

I'm not aware of any AI accommodations for "diversity", though.

faircornell wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:19 am I believe that the Ivies have managed some AI requirements for certain sports for diversity purposes. I may be wrong.

If I recall correctly at some point (1980s maybe 90s) Columbia got some Ivy relief to help upgrade their football program. I wasn't following Ivy football that much at the time and the total recall of my youth has long since gone by the boards so take this interjection with a grain of salt. Just thought I'd put it out there to see if this rings a bell with anyone.

I recall reading the same thing, but I didn't know the vintage of that act. I do know on extremely good authority that Princeton lobbied around the same time to tilt the ice hockey AI in their favor. I don't know if it was successful, and it wasn't diversity building.

I had also read that the basketball AI had been looked at to encourage more diversity in that sport. As I've said, I may be wrong.

faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:29 am I recall reading the same thing, but I didn't know the vintage of that act. I do know on extremely good authority that Princeton lobbied around the same time to tilt the ice hockey AI in their favor. I don't know if it was successful, and it wasn't diversity building.

I had also read that the basketball AI had been looked at to encourage more diversity in that sport. As I've said, I may be wrong.

I'm pretty sure that there's already substantial admission support for applicants from 'disadvantaged' and 'underrepresented' situations, and, in particular, a serious commitment to such at Dartmouth for Native American applicants, given Dartmouth's original charter. I'm pretty sure that if there's a lax player, the window for admissions is adequately wide for a kid who could handle the work...such that they may not need an athlete admissions slot, could technically walk-on...but they would still count in an overall team AI.

It's an interesting question.
I'd think that if the Ivies decided to make an AI adjustment for such, it would likely need to be universal across sports and not focused solely on Native Americans, rather it would need to focus on underrepresentation and disadvantage more generally (better yet, the intersection).

My understanding is our current staff is indeed looking at the question of whether some lax players might be attracted. The free tuition and commitment to Native studies, a base community, would be a positive.

EDIT: Just had it confirmed at the Friends meeting that recruiting Native Americans is indeed happening. Whether they land one or more over the next couple of years is another matter, but there's definitely an effort being made. BTW, last year's team manager happens to have been a Native, young woman.

faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:29 am I recall reading the same thing, but I didn't know the vintage of that act. I do know on extremely good authority that Princeton lobbied around the same time to tilt the ice hockey AI in their favor. I don't know if it was successful, and it wasn't diversity building.

I had also read that the basketball AI had been looked at to encourage more diversity in that sport. As I've said, I may be wrong.

What I read is that Harvard decided to recruit high achieving AA basketball players and sold them on the FA package being more valuable than scholarship money at a “lesser” school. Letting kids in that were not academically competitive is another false narrative.

EDIT: https://www.columbiaspectator.com/2011/ ... mic-index/

Nice win yesterday at Yankee Stadium for the Dartmouth football team. The ESPNU commentators talked about how the Ivy schools might do if allowed into the post-season playoffs.

Quite the turnout for the pre-football game Friends of Dartmouth Lacrosse "tailgate" event a block from Yankee Stadium. Saw some photos of the indoor practice facility rising quickly. Hopefully the Big Green's fortunes on the lax field will be ascendant, too. It's not through lack of commitment and caring. And I was so very thankful to be able to recognize former teammates without needing name tags, and visa-versa. Moisturize, guys!

2021 class is looking a little shallow right now. Obviously it’s very early, but the other Ivies seem to be way ahead of Dartmouth right now.