Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[MDlaxfan76]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

[Typical Lax Dad]

“The most important factor in the health of a community is not the race of its residents, but their ability to work across racial lines to preserve resources, property values, and opportunities.”

[MDlaxfan76]

"blindly trusting" gov?

You don't know people who take what they hear from the gov at face value? Either side?

Never heard people here spouting talking points from gov officials like it is gospel?

Sure, there are knuckleheads who don't seem able or willing to discern the difference between BS and sincere efforts to tell the truth.

No doubt. Left, right, purple.
Right now an awful to of such coming from Trumpists.
Previously by others who held power.

But that's wildly different than recognizing that wholesale attacks on the credibility of our governmental institutions, as well on the fourth estate, greatly undermine the democracy that is so important to preserve. But then, I'm a conservative leaning guy who actually thinks that our country's system of checks and balances are very important.

That does not mean that we don't look for ways to improve government performance, to root out corruption, and to confront misdeeds on any sort.

[MDlaxfan76]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Yesterday you had to put racist words in my mouth so you could call me a racist. Today you assign absurd presumptions so you can make an absurd point.

The Mayor of Chicago acted in exact accordance with the pigs in animal farm. George Orwell predicted her.

I quoted you 6ft, putting not a single word in your mouth. I asked you what you meant by them.
And you failed to defend them.

What "absurd presumptions" do I make today?
I guess (feel free to confirm or deny) that you could mean that I called it trolling and speculated that you and Petey and others would have applauded the exact same words out of the mouth of an R?

Really? You think I'm wrong?

Feel free to defend why.

[Peter Brown]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

[Brooklyn]

well, that too is a bit hyperbolic, but your point is well taken.

I just see it as more complicated than simply "police crimes".

Please illustrate.

[Typical Lax Dad]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

This may be the most deplorable post I have read in a long time. You should ask your black “friend” what he or she thinks.

[Brooklyn]

Do you consider me as a delusional right winger, Brookie? I oppose big gov and ALL the things you mentioned. But I also don't give the troublemaking protesters a pass for destruction of property and personal harm either.

The left talks out of both sides of their mouth-

First the violence and destruction was perpetrated by outside bad actors and agitators not involved with the protests. Now you're saying that it was performed by and a natural response to police violence.

So which is it?

PS: it's not POLICE writ large that has caused police violence and allowed criminal cops - its police UNIONS that have protected the criminal cops.

It's the same reason you have lousy teachers in schools. Unions protect their own. Even the bad ones.

Wasn't necessarily pointing the finger at you as being one of those delusionals. And I sure as hell didn't give anyone a free pass for committing violence. But to everything there is a cause which leads to inevitable consequences. Unfortunately, too many delusionals on the far right condemn the consequences, not the causes, of the troubles. When you say it is police unions that protected the cops you are correct. In fact, I was the first one to say that here and on the old LP forum.

As for outsiders and agitators (including police provocateurs), just watch the videos I have previously posted. It's all there.

[Peter Brown]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

This may be the most deplorable post I have read in a long time. You should ask your black “friend” what he or she thinks.

SKIN COLOR IS IRRELEVANT.

Except to the Democratic mind, of course. Then it's everything.

Put your money where your mouth is, TLD.

[Typical Lax Dad]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

This may be the most deplorable post I have read in a long time. You should ask your black “friend” what he or she thinks.

SKIN COLOR IS IRRELEVANT.

Except to the Democratic mind, of course. Then it's everything.

Put your money where your mouth is, TLD.

Why not use Dundalk as a comp.....ask your friend.

[Peter Brown]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

This may be the most deplorable post I have read in a long time. You should ask your black “friend” what he or she thinks.

SKIN COLOR IS IRRELEVANT.

Except to the Democratic mind, of course. Then it's everything.

Put your money where your mouth is, TLD.

Why not use Dundalk as a comp.....

Why not next to you? Why is it always "not in my backyard'?

[Typical Lax Dad]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

This may be the most deplorable post I have read in a long time. You should ask your black “friend” what he or she thinks.

SKIN COLOR IS IRRELEVANT.

Except to the Democratic mind, of course. Then it's everything.

Put your money where your mouth is, TLD.

Why not use Dundalk as a comp.....

Why not next to you? Why is it always "not in my backyard'?

We had an affordable housing project recently completed in my town. We have made efforts to provide affordable housing stock in town. Who do you suggest should live next to me?

Actually early in my career, I worked on several affordable housing development projects. Families moving in provided labor for sweat equity to supplement their down payments. Hardworking people looking for a decent neighborhood with a decent school system. Like everyone else.

[Peter Brown]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

This may be the most deplorable post I have read in a long time. You should ask your black “friend” what he or she thinks.

SKIN COLOR IS IRRELEVANT.

Except to the Democratic mind, of course. Then it's everything.

Put your money where your mouth is, TLD.

Why not use Dundalk as a comp.....

Why not next to you? Why is it always "not in my backyard'?

We have an affordable housing project recently completed in my town. We have made efforts to provide affordable housing stock in town. Who do you suggest live next to me?

"In my town" is not nearly the same thing as 'right next to my house'. As anyone realizes. Nearly every town and city have 'affordable housing', and for the most part, it's simply more segregation.

Color me unimpressed.

Would you allow me to decide who gets to live next to you, assuming a policy such as you and MD prefer be the law of the land? Cause I would put the folks you think should be living in nicer towns in the house right next to yours. Anyone who loudly claims that the people need their policies deserves their policy fallout the most.

(there's another policy that maybe you could embrace, which advances racial harmony far quicker than artificial policy constructs, and that's free-market capitalism. Let the free market determine people's rewards and punishments. If you're a charitable soul, you 'll further reach into your pockets or donate valuable time and meaningfully help those less fortunate...many of us do that without bragging or demanding others be the buffer between our lives and those we claim to want to help, just NIMBY like Democrats are wont to do too often and belies their true selves)

[Typical Lax Dad]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

This may be the most deplorable post I have read in a long time. You should ask your black “friend” what he or she thinks.

SKIN COLOR IS IRRELEVANT.

Except to the Democratic mind, of course. Then it's everything.

Put your money where your mouth is, TLD.

Why not use Dundalk as a comp.....

Why not next to you? Why is it always "not in my backyard'?

We have an affordable housing project recently completed in my town. We have made efforts to provide affordable housing stock in town. Who do you suggest live next to me?

"In my town" is not nearly the same thing as 'right next to my house'. As anyone realizes. Nearly every town and city have 'affordable housing', and for the most part, it's simply more segregation.

Color me unimpressed.

Would you allow me to decide who gets to live next to you, assuming a policy such as you and MD prefer be the law of the land? Cause I would put the folks you think should be living in nicer towns in the house right next to yours. Anyone who loudly claims that the people need their policies deserves their policy fallout the most.

(there's another policy that maybe you could embrace, which advances racial harmony far quicker than artificial policy constructs, and that's free-market capitalism. Let the free market determine people's rewards and punishments. If you're a charitable soul, you 'll further reach into your pockets or donate valuable time and meaningfully help those less fortunate...many of us do that without bragging or demanding others be the buffer between our lives and those we claim to want to help, just NIMBY like Democrats are wont to do too often and belies their true selves)

Well my neighbors would have to sell their homes to a developer who would then need to figure out how to make it affordable. Anyone that can afford to move next door to me is welcome to move next door.

That is exactly what I have been doing for the past 20 years. There is a community center that I was involved in developing in a Low & Moderate income community about 10 years ago. Just joined the board of another community based charitable organization...and I help young people along the way personally. You are deplorable.

[dislaxxic]

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Pretty confident that i speak on behalf of progressives, leftists and left-leaning moderates everywhere when i say...we choose Door No. 1.

..

[Peter Brown]

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Pretty confident that i speak on behalf of progressives, leftists and left-leaning moderates everywhere when i say...we choose Door No. 1.

..

And unlike you, I got a laugh out of your post cause I don't take myself that seriously.

It was good and funny.

Onward!

[MDlaxfan76]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

I can't tell in this post if your are mind numbingly ignorant or just more bigoted trolling.

Your description of Ruxton is closer to accurate than not, but you seem to be focused, perhaps inadvertently, on the racial demographic of Ruxton while pretending not to be so focused on the racial demographic of Latrobe Homes. No one is fooled.

On your question, though, perhaps you think that Latrobe Homes residents would be moved wholesale to Ruxton (or other such area) in a concentrated setting, just inside the Ruxton borders???

No, families would simply be provided with the legal protection that they could use their government housing support to rent wherever they want instead of denied that right by landlords who wish to discriminate. Note that what Trump is saying is that he wishes to continue the old redlining policies that enable landlords to decide whether one family's rent check is green and which isn't, on whatever basis they wish, including racial bigotry under the guise of not wanting government supported renters (note that studies have shown that landlords often pick and choose which families get to use those checks and which don't, on racial lines).

I'm in favor of facilitating such moves out of ghetto public housing to disaggregate poverty, but not in simply re-concentrating poverty in a new neighborhood. Concentration of poverty is a problem, no matter where it is. It's a tipping point matter.

There's not a ton of rental property in Ruxton, but there's some. I see zero reason to expect that a family which wishes to utilize a government support check to pay their rent in any such rental units would diminish the value of that property or that of their neighbors. The research shows that the families who make such moves adopt and embrace the standards and expectations of their new communities, their kids are far more likely to thrive, etc.

Now, to the more practical question, there's lots of rental property both in Baltimore City and in the surrounding counties of Baltimore, including Baltimore County which is where Ruxton is, for families to move in which the destination neighborhood would have markedly better levels of safety and public schooling.

The policy prescriptions for disaggregating poverty are more complex than simply the housing voucher change described above, but let's leave it there for now. Hopefully you will see that the hypotheticals you presented are silly and ignorant.

(I ignore all the personal bromides... )

Let's say you move only one family out of Latrobe to Ruxton. And no one is ignoring the racial makeup of Latrobe; it's 100% black. Skin color is irrelevant; the cultural distinctions between a Ruxton and Latrobe resident however are. Ruxton has no crime (I assume, or at least no murders); Latrobe homes alone probably has a few dozen murders per year.

If you take that one family out of Latrobe and put them somewhere inside Ruxton (we will ignore for the moment the inescapable fact that you have not volunteered your own neighbor's home in Greenspring Valley for the same purpose), do you not foresee any problems? Who will manage tensions among neighbors? The police?

Who owns the outcome of any foreseen or unforeseen problems? Will you stand behind your policies and make up any financial loss to the family whose home loses value? What if there is a murder? Will you financially stand behind the family whose kid is murdered because you insisted on integrating incompatible cultures?

The question is: are you willing to put your own checkbook behind your policies?

Rubber meets the road when you demand people put their money where their mouth is. I am curious if you would?

By the way, I have to assume you are being sincere. I just don't think you are willing to stake your own financial security on your preferred policies; almost no one is.

This may be the most deplorable post I have read in a long time. You should ask your black “friend” what he or she thinks.

Very revealing, yet again. Trope after trope.

Where to even start with Petey?

I just dunno...the idea that Ruxton is crime free, no murders?
That a black family is going to bring crime and murder with them...because they were, what, victims of crime back in their old neighborhood? Or were they the criminals??

Maybe he thinks the kids are going to 'do drugs'...and wealthy Ruxton kids don't???

That property values are going to drop for their neighbors?

There are actually four small rental homes within a thousand yards of my home, in a neighborhood of mostly 20+ acre estates and environmental preservation areas, and I'd certainly have no issues with a family seeking a better life being able to rent one of those units. Zero expectation of incremental crime much less diminished property value.

Racial fear is a very powerful thing, though, so I'd be unsurprised to learn that those units have not been rented to any black families because of unspoken bias...could just be odds, but yeah, there's bias in our neighborhood...and Trump wants that bias to be reinforced by government...

[6ftstick]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Yesterday you had to put racist words in my mouth so you could call me a racist. Today you assign absurd presumptions so you can make an absurd point.

The Mayor of Chicago acted in exact accordance with the pigs in animal farm. George Orwell predicted her.

I quoted you 6ft, putting not a single word in your mouth. I asked you what you meant by them.
And you failed to defend them.

What "absurd presumptions" do I make today?
I guess (feel free to confirm or deny) that you could mean that I called it trolling and speculated that you and Petey and others would have applauded the exact same words out of the mouth of an R?

Really? You think I'm wrong?

Feel free to defend why.

You didn't quote me. You quoted someone else.

I'd be just as disdainful of a republican acting like the pigs in Animal Farm.

You've yet to comment on the Mayor of Chicago and her politburo behavior .

[MDlaxfan76]

well, that too is a bit hyperbolic, but your point is well taken.

I just see it as more complicated than simply "police crimes".

Please illustrate.

I think some of the violence and destruction is pent up frustration at more than 'police crimes', it's also systemic racism bubbling through in other areas as well, clean water, health care, fresh food, fundamental poverty, trash, violence as a norm, disrespect...the slings and arrows of frustration.

and some is actually opportunists and anarchists.

I know that you don't condone the violence and destruction any more than I do, so my point was simply that there's a multi-faceted aspect that goes beyond the 'police crimes' which are the spark for it all.

[6ftstick]

well, that too is a bit hyperbolic, but your point is well taken.

I just see it as more complicated than simply "police crimes".

Please illustrate.

I think some of the violence and destruction is pent up frustration at more than 'police crimes', it's also systemic racism bubbling through in other areas as well, clean water, health care, fresh food, fundamental poverty, trash, violence as a norm, disrespect...the slings and arrows of frustration.

and some is actually opportunists and anarchists.

I know that you don't condone the violence and destruction any more than I do, so my point was simply that there's a multi-faceted aspect that goes beyond the 'police crimes' which are the spark for it all.

Enablers.