Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[CU77]

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TLD, I don't know if you care, but I'm very unlikely to click on a link with no hint of what it's about.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/us/georg ... _expansion

TLD, I don't know if you care, but I'm very unlikely to click on a link with no hint of what it's about.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I have gotten sloppy. I added a header to some links. I got out of the habit.

A Georgia man was fatally shot by a state trooper. His family's attorney says he was on his way to the store to get his wife a soda

[CU77]

Thanks TLD. Though I hadn't heard this bit of bad news, so I'm a bit sorry that I asked …

But this is something that all of us have to work on to save our country.

[Brooklyn]

Without question. Everyone here is in agreement with that point.

The problem, obviously, is that Republicans aren't arriving with solutions. All they do is say "Dems bad".

Been that way since the Reagan days. Republicans screw the economy and the entire USA then they blame Democrats. Same with all the violence we see nowadays - right wing delusionals say 'blame Dems' or 'blame BLM'. Funny thing is no BLM members are under indictment here in Lake Wobegone for the violence we saw but four cops remain under indictment for the murder they committed which led to that violence. Mebbe our pal PB should come to realization that he need not blame BLM but blame the cops.

[6ftstick]

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"We are living in a very different time, and I have seen the threats that come in. I have an obligation to keep my home, my wife, my 12-year-old and my neighbors safe. … I think that residents of this city, understanding the nature of the threats we are receiving on a daily basis, on a daily basis, understand I have a right to make sure my home is secure. We have a right to our home to live in peace.—Mayor Lori Lightfoot

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.—George Orwell

Orwell was writing about communists. He'd so love our modern democrats.

[Peter Brown]

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"We are living in a very different time, and I have seen the threats that come in. I have an obligation to keep my home, my wife, my 12-year-old and my neighbors safe. … I think that residents of this city, understanding the nature of the threats we are receiving on a daily basis, on a daily basis, understand I have a right to make sure my home is secure. We have a right to our home to live in peace.—Mayor Lori Lightfoot

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.—George Orwell

Orwell was writing about communists. He'd so love our modern democrats.

Today's Democrats are indeed not much different than yesterday's communists, and the small distinctions left will completely evaporate over the next 10 years. The general inclination of a Dem is to idolize the state above all, above their own blood, and certainly above independence. The Facebook posts of libs who tell the world that they can no longer talk with a family member 'because he voted for a Republican' is not too different than the Young Pioneers in the USSR who turned their parents in to the authorities (for death) because a parent questioned the state. Please tell me how any of these people are any different than that?

[MDlaxfan76]

trolling again

[Peter Brown]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

[Brooklyn]

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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.—George Orwell

Orwell was writing about communists. He'd so love our modern democrats.

Sinclair Lewis would love our Repukeblicans even more as shown in his novel It Can't Happen Here:


''The novel was published during the heyday of fascism in Europe, which was reported on by Dorothy Thompson, Lewis' wife ... {demagogue} takes complete control of the government and imposes totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of European fascists such as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini ... Lewis portrayed a genuine U.S. dictator on the Hitler model ... Historians and pundits have also pointed out similarities with the political rise of New York real estate mogul and reality TV star Donald Trump."

source: Wiki

[Brooklyn]

trolling again

So true. Delusional right wingers always claim they oppose big government and needless government intrusionism into people's lives. Yet, they have absolutely no trouble with cops killing people in cold blood, or with militarized police slashing people's tires, showering people with tear gas, demanding that people disperse and go home but blocking them off from all directions so that they cannot go away, and using undercover agent provocateurs to foment violence and then falsely attributing the violence to peaceful protesters. The cost to society as a result of these police crimes go into the multiple billions and then the delusional right wingers complain about high taxes - taxes that would not have been necessary if the cops had not been so corrupt and so criminal. The riots we saw in Minneapolis are not the cause of society's problems - they are the inevitable consequences of police crimes. A problem the gutless delusionals never admit to or even attempt to remove from society.

[MDlaxfan76]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community (my mom does live in such in Florida). Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

On the talking to others about politics, it's indeed become very, very ugly. I can't talk with my resident Trumpist about politics at all. He goes nuts, and it's become actually violent twice...so, we stay off that topic and he heads to the basement if he sees the rest of the family watching CNN...

[MDlaxfan76]

trolling again

So true. Delusional right wingers always claim they oppose big government and needless government intrusionism into people's lives. Yet, they have absolutely no trouble with cops killing people in cold blood, or with militarized police slashing people's tires, showering people with tear gas, demanding that people disperse and go home but blocking them off from all directions so that they cannot go away, and using undercover agent provocateurs to foment violence and then falsely attributing the violence to peaceful protesters. The cost to society as a result of these police crimes go into the multiple billions and then the delusional right wingers complain about high taxes - taxes that would not have been necessary if the cops had not been so corrupt and so criminal. The riots we saw in Minneapolis are not the cause of society's problems - they are the inevitable consequences of police crimes. A problem the gutless delusionals never admit to or even attempt to remove from society.

well, that too is a bit hyperbolic, but your point is well taken.

I just see it as more complicated than simply "police crimes".

[kramerica.inc]

https://trendingpolitics.com/chicago-ma ... rLvh-YL9Iw

"We are living in a very different time, and I have seen the threats that come in. I have an obligation to keep my home, my wife, my 12-year-old and my neighbors safe. … I think that residents of this city, understanding the nature of the threats we are receiving on a daily basis, on a daily basis, understand I have a right to make sure my home is secure. We have a right to our home to live in peace.—Mayor Lori Lightfoot

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.—George Orwell

Orwell was writing about communists. He'd so love our modern democrats.

Today's Democrats are indeed not much different than yesterday's communists, and the small distinctions left will completely evaporate over the next 10 years. The general inclination of a Dem is to idolize the state above all, above their own blood, and certainly above independence. The Facebook posts of libs who tell the world that they can no longer talk with a family member 'because he voted for a Republican' is not too different than the Young Pioneers in the USSR who turned their parents in to the authorities (for death) because a parent questioned the state. Please tell me how any of these people are any different than that?

The complete blind trust of Government is the problem. And the lack of term limits (among other things) make the problems worse.
The government does not always say/do what's in the best interest of all people or YOU. It does what it THINKS is in the best interest of large GROUPS of people. Both sides. But that's not always correct (factually) OR fair to you individually.

Blindly trusting what the .gov says and does is forgetting that they have a major agenda of their own- to control the masses and grow government... Most educated understand this parasitic relationship and are trustworthy of the gov for the general , "greater good," but have a healthy skepticism of .Gov on many personal issues like healthcare, schooling etc.

Don't believe me about the .gov's agenda? Answer these two simple questions:
What did the Gov tell people about masks in March? Why?
Is it MORE common for .gov to acquire land from citizens due to default/right of way/easements etc. or release Federal/state controlled land back to citizens for purchase?

hmmm....

[MDlaxfan76]

"blindly trusting" gov?

[Peter Brown]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

"As a conservative"
Nope, as a troll.

First, Greenspring Valley is not a "gated community" nor do I live in a gated community. Nor is it somehow 'easy to turn a blind eye' to Portland, or for that matter Baltimore, more for me than it is for you in your own tony enclave in Florida. But, yes, for many, it's indeed easy to demonize others, choosing to see the world solely through the lens of our media sources, whatever they may be. Few get out and actually go to areas which they so easily criticize from afar.

If you'd bothered to respect what I've said, and many others have said on here, we believe that destruction and violence is counterproductive to the just cause of BLM/police abuse and violence and addressing other impacts of systemic racism in our country.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Next, I've been very clear that one of my serious concerns with the rise of right wing authoritarian, "populist" kleptocracy under the Trump model of attacking all American institutions which check authoritarian abuses of power is that the destruction of norms and the confidence in these fundamental institutions that ensure distributed power and check abuses is that it could well be turned to the same purposes by a leftist authoritarian, "populist" movement.

Stop Trump. Stand against actual authoritarianism of all stripes.
Stop whining about or diminishing the authority of institutions that stand against abuses of government power and corruption.

On the policy question, you betcha that I want to disaggregate poverty.
why? Because it works to alter the trajectory of lives.
We have immense untapped human capital potential in this country and I strongly reject the notion that the value of my "assets" are diminished by smart policies that unleash that potential for generations to come.

And I'm definitely opposed to the bigotry implicit in the resistance to that policy, the long ugly history of such being well known here in my hometown.

I am being quite serious with this line of questioning, and not being racist as you and others surely will claim.

Let's assume you move a few families from Latrobe Homes to Ruxton MD. Ruxton is a lily white mostly Episcopalian suburb of Baltimore; lots lax played there. Perfect lawns, perfect clubs, etc....we know the drill. Latrobe is a crime infested public housing complex in B-more City, the worst of the worst.

How do you intend to mesh two distinct cultures which are beyond inconsistent with each other? Will there be noise regulations? Will there be cleanliness regulations? Who's paying for the landscaper of your new residents? Who enforces those regulations? Police? Who pays for all of the housing service providers? Plumbers, pest control, insurance, security, internet, cable, electric? The new residents need to have high-paying jobs; property taxes ain't cheap in Ruxton! Are they qualified to have a job? Do they not pay property taxes while everyone else whose property you have devalued do? Who's buying them a car to get to work, or to school? Who pays for that automobile insurance?

Who does all of this?

[kramerica.inc]

trolling again

So true. Delusional right wingers always claim they oppose big government and needless government intrusionism into people's lives. Yet, they have absolutely no trouble with cops killing people in cold blood, or with militarized police slashing people's tires, showering people with tear gas, demanding that people disperse and go home but blocking them off from all directions so that they cannot go away, and using undercover agent provocateurs to foment violence and then falsely attributing the violence to peaceful protesters. The cost to society as a result of these police crimes go into the multiple billions and then the delusional right wingers complain about high taxes - taxes that would not have been necessary if the cops had not been so corrupt and so criminal. The riots we saw in Minneapolis are not the cause of society's problems - they are the inevitable consequences of police crimes. A problem the gutless delusionals never admit to or even attempt to remove from society.

Do you consider me as a delusional right winger, Brookie? I oppose big gov and ALL the things you mentioned. But I also don't give the troublemaking protesters a pass for destruction of property and personal harm either.

The left talks out of both sides of their mouth-

First the violence and destruction was perpetrated by outside bad actors and agitators not involved with the protests. Now you're saying that it was performed by and a natural response to police violence.

So which is it?

PS: it's not POLICE writ large that has caused police violence and allowed criminal cops - its police UNIONS that have protected the criminal cops.

It's the same reason you have lousy teachers in schools. Unions protect their own. Even the bad ones.

[Peter Brown]

trolling again

So true. Delusional right wingers always claim they oppose big government and needless government intrusionism into people's lives. Yet, they have absolutely no trouble with cops killing people in cold blood, or with militarized police slashing people's tires, showering people with tear gas, demanding that people disperse and go home but blocking them off from all directions so that they cannot go away, and using undercover agent provocateurs to foment violence and then falsely attributing the violence to peaceful protesters. The cost to society as a result of these police crimes go into the multiple billions and then the delusional right wingers complain about high taxes - taxes that would not have been necessary if the cops had not been so corrupt and so criminal. The riots we saw in Minneapolis are not the cause of society's problems - they are the inevitable consequences of police crimes. A problem the gutless delusionals never admit to or even attempt to remove from society.

Do you consider me as a delusional right winger, Brookie? I oppose big gov and ALL the things you mentioned. But I also don't give the troublemaking protesters a pass for destruction of property and personal harm either.

The left talks out of both sides of their mouth-

First the violence and destruction was perpetrated by outside bad actors and agitators not involved with the protests. Now you're saying that it was performed by and a natural response to police violence.

So which is it?

PS: it's not POLICE writ large that has caused police violence and allowed criminal cops - its police UNIONS that have protected the criminal cops.

It's the same reason you have lousy teachers in schools. Unions protect their own. Even the bad ones.

I agree wholeheartedly with your post, kramerica.

[kramerica.inc]

"blindly trusting" gov?

You don't know people who take what they hear from the gov at face value? Either side?

Never heard people here spouting talking points from gov officials like it is gospel?

[6ftstick]

trolling again

Hardly.

Even here on a lacrosse forum, we have members who will not speak with family members who are Republicans (notice Republicans are never like this...).

In your gated community of Greenspring Valley, it's easy to turn a blind eye to the nightly riots in Portland, or for that matter the nightly shootings in Baltimore City.

Do you think the Portland Democratic rioters would dare speak with a Republican family member? Under a more totalitarian leftist government, would the rioters turn their iconoclast family member in if he said he hated high taxes? You are darn right he would. You are cozying up to the most pernicious ideology in history known to man.

As a conservative, I respect your right to do what you want, provided of course it doesn't unlawfully take property from others. But you are also now on record as saying that you want to move residents from Latrobe Homes and stick them in towns like Ruxton MD (not your backyard, but getting close); by doing so, you unilaterally devalue your neighbor's primary asset without compensating him. If you're willing to do that (and before you bellyache, you are indeed willing to do just that...you admitted here recently you wanted to do this), I bet you are willing to do worse via ignoring the 5th Amendment and simply taking others' assets, hence your newfound embrace of Democratic culture.

6ft above trolls us about the Mayor of Chicago who, had she been an R, would have been applauded by you guys for the exact same comment. Just dumb trolling.

Yesterday you had to put racist words in my mouth so you could call me a racist. Today you assign absurd presumptions so you can make an absurd point.

The Mayor of Chicago acted in exact accordance with the pigs in animal farm. George Orwell predicted her.

[kramerica.inc]

trolling again

So true. Delusional right wingers always claim they oppose big government and needless government intrusionism into people's lives. Yet, they have absolutely no trouble with cops killing people in cold blood, or with militarized police slashing people's tires, showering people with tear gas, demanding that people disperse and go home but blocking them off from all directions so that they cannot go away, and using undercover agent provocateurs to foment violence and then falsely attributing the violence to peaceful protesters. The cost to society as a result of these police crimes go into the multiple billions and then the delusional right wingers complain about high taxes - taxes that would not have been necessary if the cops had not been so corrupt and so criminal. The riots we saw in Minneapolis are not the cause of society's problems - they are the inevitable consequences of police crimes. A problem the gutless delusionals never admit to or even attempt to remove from society.

Do you consider me as a delusional right winger, Brookie? I oppose big gov and ALL the things you mentioned. But I also don't give the troublemaking protesters a pass for destruction of property and personal harm either.

The left talks out of both sides of their mouth-

First the violence and destruction was perpetrated by outside bad actors and agitators not involved with the protests. Now you're saying that it was performed by and a natural response to police violence.

So which is it?

PS: it's not POLICE writ large that has caused police violence and allowed criminal cops - its police UNIONS that have protected the criminal cops.

It's the same reason you have lousy teachers in schools. Unions protect their own. Even the bad ones.

I agree wholeheartedly with your post, kramerica.

I think if you act bad as a protestor or cop you should get in trouble.
Personal accountability. It's lacking in America right now- from the top down.
EVERYWHERE