Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:16 pm
Same Party, Different House
https://fanlax.com/forum/
jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:50 pmWhat BS.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:33 pmnjbill wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:22 pmOMG, Pete we agree on something. I have been saying this for at least days. Are you stealing ideas from me? At least subconsciously?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:49 pm Ramp up production of the Abbott 5-minute test kit, get other factories to make it
This is really going to hurt me on the “Peter Brown unbalanced scale.”
There’s hope for you yet. Or for me. Not sure which.
Hope springs eternal, man; that is the American way. Positivity is what differentiates Americans from nearly every other culture.
The greatest danger in a public health emergency like this one are people who indulge their ignorance and stupidity.6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:34 pmMaybe it could be yellow stars.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:16 pmPoint noted about the armbands...runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:09 pm.....besides your first sentence, and ONLY that sentence....the rest of your ideas are down write scary. Fascist, in fact.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:49 pmggait wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:43 pm Pete, Six, RRR -- I'm not personally interested in the partisan ax grinding. I didn't need Covid to make me dislike Trump.
So again, what should we be doing differently?
Keep doing the full SD until 5/31 but just not trash Trump?
SD lite a la Sweden?
Fully re-open the country today?
What does "Back to work!!" mean?
RRR -- 2.8 million people die in the U.S. every year. So adding an incremental 2.2 million seems like a material variance, no?
I'll offer a few ideas.
Ramp up production of the Abbott 5-minute test kit, get other factories to make it, get these into designated city and town zones overnight, make all tests free, test everyone. With no valid test, you do not get to do anything: flights, work, church, etc... Walk around with an app on your phone or a piece of paper with a valid test result.
Let anyone 60 and under with no underlying compromised system go back to work, with a test that says 'clean'. If over 60, wait one more month.
After May 31, anyone over 60 can rejoin civilization with a clear test.
Anyone who tests 'clean' still needs to test once per month until a vaccine is sanctioned.
(did I mention arm bands for test takers? )
People who surrender freedoms for security end up with neither.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:59 pm Just how lethal has Trump’s incompetence become?
South Korea implemented a massive coronavirus testing program by early February, while Trump wallowed in denial and lies for nearly two months.
The difference?
South Korea mourned its 200th coronavirus death yesterday.
Meanwhile, Mike Pence’s Indiana alone has more confirmed coronavirus deaths, 203, than all of South Korea.
THAT illustrates the lethality of Trump’s ignorance, stupidity, and incompetence.
DocBarrister
1,500,830 cases globally and 87,469 deaths——THAT illustrates the lethality of Chinese Communists ignorance, stupidity, and incompetence.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:59 pm Just how lethal has Trump’s incompetence become?
South Korea implemented a massive coronavirus testing program by early February, while Trump wallowed in denial and lies for nearly two months.
The difference?
South Korea mourned its 200th coronavirus death yesterday.
Meanwhile, Mike Pence’s Indiana alone has more confirmed coronavirus deaths, 203, than all of South Korea.
THAT illustrates the lethality of Trump’s ignorance, stupidity, and incompetence.
DocBarrister
Plenty of people have believed this since early on....to include Fauci, Gupta, et al. as far back as 21-January. Your reply to the Stanford article, implies you also must have believed it, because you knew it was coming.....like Trump Heck, even Fauci admitted the numbers game yesterday/today, saying they will still be bad this week but far less than anticipated.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:28 pmCalled it weeks ago. The game is, after all the social distancing .....when it works, you'd have a bunch of people saying "see, I TOLD YOU this virus was no big deal".runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:24 pm https://www.stress.org/stanford-profess ... oronavirus
I'm left wondering how many of these Americans wake up from successful open heart surgery and say "see? I'm fine. Obviously I didn't need the surgery in the first place".
Homer shares this brilliance.....
If Trump would have responded early as a competent leader, he would have pushed those Dem pols to do something. But no...Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:03 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:59 pm Just how lethal has Trump’s incompetence become?
South Korea implemented a massive coronavirus testing program by early February, while Trump wallowed in denial and lies for nearly two months.
The difference?
South Korea mourned its 200th coronavirus death yesterday.
Meanwhile, Mike Pence’s Indiana alone has more confirmed coronavirus deaths, 203, than all of South Korea.
THAT illustrates the lethality of Trump’s ignorance, stupidity, and incompetence.
DocBarrister
You probably don't want to read liberal journo's trashing Dem politicians' response to Corona then:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyre ... elays.html
a fan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:16 pm I'm not in the "Why didn't Trump do more back in Feb" camp, and you know it. He did the best he could, just as Governors in other States who didn't shut down their States.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to tell if you're overreacting. Full stop. That's the STUPIDITY of the Stanford article. The ONLY way to "test" if we're overreacting is to do nothing, and hope America survives. This is logic that's even worse than Homer Simpson's.
No one, not even Trump, is suggesting we do nothing, and just resign to whatever happens.
well said, a fan. the optics in press conferences in particular emphasize what seem to be just missed opportunities to do "better". and a lack of focus, direction, staying ahead.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:21 pmI feel nausea coming on...agreeing with a fan again!a fan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:16 pm I'm not in the "Why didn't Trump do more back in Feb" camp, and you know it. He did the best he could, just as Governors in other States who didn't shut down their States.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to tell if you're overreacting. Full stop. That's the STUPIDITY of the Stanford article. The ONLY way to "test" if we're overreacting is to do nothing, and hope America survives. This is logic that's even worse than Homer Simpson's.
No one, not even Trump, is suggesting we do nothing, and just resign to whatever happens.
Why can't the libs on this board exhibit a shred of nuance like a fan above? Is the hatred of Trump so intense as to deny any critical faculties?
Yup. You don't get to run your life as a double blind experiment. You have to decide today what you are going to do today. And you never get to see the alternatives.It's IMPOSSIBLE to tell if you're overreacting. Full stop. That's the STUPIDITY of the Stanford article. The ONLY way to "test" if we're overreacting is to do nothing, and hope America survives.
pretty comical coming from an attorney no less who's never played or coached lacrosse but has positioned himself as the ultimate authority 10s of 1000s of times over the last 15 years because he watches and stuff.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:50 pm South Korea, which is even more pro-big business than the United States, also worships science and innovation.
This is markedly different from Donald Trump and his supporters, who seem to worship instead their own ignorance, stupidity, racism, bigotry, and misogyny. Indeed, it is the lack of respect and appreciation for science, expertise, and data that led to the current lethality of the pandemic in the United States.
We see some of that on this forum, where folks with little or no education, training, experience, or understanding of science, medicine, or epidemiology are mouthing off like they’re the second coming of Louis Pasteur.
What we are witnessing now is the lethality of a lack of respect for science.
DocBarrister
Lacrosse is just a game. I’m just a fan rooting for my team. That was all in fun.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:08 pmpretty comical coming from an attorney no less who's never played or coached lacrosse but has positioned himself as the ultimate authority 10s of 1000s of times over the last 15 years because he watches and stuff.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:50 pm South Korea, which is even more pro-big business than the United States, also worships science and innovation.
This is markedly different from Donald Trump and his supporters, who seem to worship instead their own ignorance, stupidity, racism, bigotry, and misogyny. Indeed, it is the lack of respect and appreciation for science, expertise, and data that led to the current lethality of the pandemic in the United States.
We see some of that on this forum, where folks with little or no education, training, experience, or understanding of science, medicine, or epidemiology are mouthing off like they’re the second coming of Louis Pasteur.
What we are witnessing now is the lethality of a lack of respect for science.
DocBarrister
6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:09 pm1,500,830 cases globally and 87,469 deaths——THAT illustrates the lethality of Chinese Communists ignorance, stupidity, and incompetence.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:59 pm Just how lethal has Trump’s incompetence become?
South Korea implemented a massive coronavirus testing program by early February, while Trump wallowed in denial and lies for nearly two months.
The difference?
South Korea mourned its 200th coronavirus death yesterday.
Meanwhile, Mike Pence’s Indiana alone has more confirmed coronavirus deaths, 203, than all of South Korea.
THAT illustrates the lethality of Trump’s ignorance, stupidity, and incompetence.
DocBarrister
Whether it is the Chinese Communists or their supporters on this forum, we cannot afford to countenance the ignorant and stupid to act upon their ignorance and stupidity.
nah. holds form. you think you know everything. anyone that's not in your worship camp for all your great takes gets to be called juvenile names and trashed.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:23 pmLacrosse is just a game. I’m just a fan rooting for my team. That was all in fun.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:08 pmpretty comical coming from an attorney no less who's never played or coached lacrosse but has positioned himself as the ultimate authority 10s of 1000s of times over the last 15 years because he watches and stuff.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:50 pm South Korea, which is even more pro-big business than the United States, also worships science and innovation.
This is markedly different from Donald Trump and his supporters, who seem to worship instead their own ignorance, stupidity, racism, bigotry, and misogyny. Indeed, it is the lack of respect and appreciation for science, expertise, and data that led to the current lethality of the pandemic in the United States.
We see some of that on this forum, where folks with little or no education, training, experience, or understanding of science, medicine, or epidemiology are mouthing off like they’re the second coming of Louis Pasteur.
What we are witnessing now is the lethality of a lack of respect for science.
DocBarrister
We’re discussing a global pandemic that has already killed at least 90,000 worldwide despite some of the most extreme public health interventions in all of history.
Which makes your comparison pretty stupid, right?
DocBarrister
I like the temperature scan...could be new SOP for businesses. Everyone is scanned when entering their workplace (temp scanning might be done automatically as you pass through a doorway similar to security scan booths in airports). If fever is detected, boom, you're tested immediately. Of course the testing efficiencies have a long way to go before this would be reality.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:41 pmggait wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:36 pmPete -- agree that it is all about when the new tools are going to be available.I agree that SD needs to go through end of April. But we should be testing now to get people to start thinking of May 1 as 'back to work', which relaly will be May 4th.
Without scalpels, you are stuck using a chainsaw. Assume everyone is infected. So isolate 100% of the people.
With scalpels, you can isolate the 5% or less who need to be isolated. And the 95% can mostly go back to the new normal. TBD if we get the tools by May 1, June 1, July 1...
What do y'all think the new normal is going to be? My prediction:
1. Masks and gloves when out in public.
2. Thermometer scans when entering buildings or stores.
3. Restaurants open but with the tables spaced widely apart.
4. No big public events with several thousand people attending for the rest of 2020. The NFL season will be played, but just on TV with empty stands.
I think that is fairly optimistic. Could be more restricted than that -- like Pete's Scarlet C badges.
Way too pessimistic. You boys don't appreciate the human brain in spite of thousands of years of evidence. When challenged, the human mind thinks of things you never thought could occur.
Some guy right now has already figured this out...we just haven't read about it yet.
This isn’t true. There are plenty of analytical methods that can be employed to assess and estimate the efficacy of any interventions taken. One thing that this pandemic has done is generate a lot of data and a lot of very different interventions have been taken in many different nations and locales. Interventions have also changed over time.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:16 pm I'm not in the "Why didn't Trump do more back in Feb" camp, and you know it. He did the best he could, just as Governors in other States who didn't shut down their States.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to tell if you're overreacting. Full stop. That's the STUPIDITY of the Stanford article. The ONLY way to "test" if we're overreacting is to do nothing, and hope America survives. This is logic that's even worse than Homer Simpson's.
No one, not even Trump, is suggesting we do nothing, and just resign to whatever happens.