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[Typical Lax Dad]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

I saw Joe push an old DEI lady down to the ground…Magat

[ggait]

Of course Salty ONLY cares about the deaths and screw ups that happen under Dem leadership. Abbey Gate is the new Benghazi obviously. Salty's vision is completely and always distorted by his Maga glasses. As we all have learned over and over and over and over the past several years.

While he was there at Arlington, how come Trump didn't visit the graves of any of the 65 soldiers who died on his watch? Trump, like Salty, only cares about partisanship. So of course you would not grieve the deaths under Trump. The purpose of the visit was 100% political. Duh obvious. We all see it and know it -- even Salty.

But in true Maga fashion, Salty blindly would never apologize for mis-deeds or mistakes of his side. You always double down, you always project/confess, you are not bound by obvious known facts, and you just don't act in good faith.

Because Trump was there only visiting the graves of the family members who invited him to join them.

Equivocate all you want, but the fact remains -- Biden gave the order to pull out under those conditions. Trump did not.
Biden had no qualms about reversing other Trump policies & decisions. His military chain of command advised him to do so in this case.

The 65 who died on Trump's watch did so in finishing up the fighting against iSIS in Iraq & Syria (caused by Biden's & Obama's premature pull out from Iraq) & drawing down Obama's surge in Afghanistan. There were no US kia in Afghanistan in Trump's final 18 mos in office.

TL/DR: Dems bad; Orange Jesus good.

[old salt]

Promising Pilots Died

This problem carried on throughout the 1990s. Even more aviators complained that the F-14 was a handful to fly at low speed and low altitude – necessitating extreme care on a carrier take-off and landing. One tragedy happened to the Navy’s first woman carrier aviator. Lt. Kara Hultgreen fatally crashed her F-14 off San Diego during a routine patrol when she tried to land on the USS Abraham Lincoln in 1994.

The Navy determined that the TF30 engine was at fault and did not include pilot error as some suspected. Her F-14 lost power in one engine. This and other accidents had Congress wanting to investigate the engines in 1995.

Old Salt blames DEI.

The F-14 was the most challenging aircraft ever, to land on an aircraft carrier. That's why so many pilots who had grades high enough to qualify for jets & fighters washed out during F-14 carrier quals. That's not a knock on the pilots. I inherited a first tour pilot who washed out of F-14's because of night carrier landing scores. He was my best pilot. He then transitioned to C-130's in the Navy's Antarctic Support Squadron, where he earned an Air Medal for an especially harrowing mission "on the ice".

The other woman F-14 pilot selected with Kara Hultgreen was grounded during her deployment because of consistently low, erratic. landing scores.
She had the lowest landing scores in the entire air wing. She completed her obligated service flying shore based aircraft, then went on to be an author & motivational speaker, advertising herself as the Navy's first woman fighter pilot.

Subsequently, DEI pilots selected competitively, based on grades in flight training, qualified without incident in F-14's & then F-18's.

Fixed it for you….It killed mostly men.

These engines, originally designed for the troubled F-111B, were prone to compressor stalls and other failures, leading to the loss of around 40 F-14s and causing numerous accidents, including the tragic death of Lt. Kara Hultgreen, the Navy's first female carrier aviator.

That's why so many F-14 pilots were reassigned based on their carrier landing scores. Lt Hultgreen induced a compressor stall by blocking inlet airflow by applying too much rudder after she overshot the centerline on approach, then applied excessive power when attempting a single engine go around, causing a departure from controlled flight. Pilot error in causing the engine failure & improper emergency procedures to recover. Not all F-14 losses were due to the engines. It was a very unforgiving aircraft.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Promising Pilots Died

This problem carried on throughout the 1990s. Even more aviators complained that the F-14 was a handful to fly at low speed and low altitude – necessitating extreme care on a carrier take-off and landing. One tragedy happened to the Navy’s first woman carrier aviator. Lt. Kara Hultgreen fatally crashed her F-14 off San Diego during a routine patrol when she tried to land on the USS Abraham Lincoln in 1994.

The Navy determined that the TF30 engine was at fault and did not include pilot error as some suspected. Her F-14 lost power in one engine. This and other accidents had Congress wanting to investigate the engines in 1995.

Old Salt blames DEI.

The F-14 was the most challenging aircraft ever, to land on an aircraft carrier. That's why so many pilots who had grades high enough to qualify for jets & fighters washed out during F-14 carrier quals. That's not a knock on the pilots. I inherited a first tour pilot who washed out of F-14's because of night carrier landing scores. He was my best pilot. He then transitioned to C-130's in the Navy's Antarctic Support Squadron, where he earned an Air Medal for an especially harrowing mission "on the ice".

The other woman F-14 pilot selected with Kara Hultgreen was grounded during her deployment because of consistently low, erratic. landing scores.
She had the lowest landing scores in the entire air wing. She completed her obligated service flying shore based aircraft, then went on to be an author & motivational speaker, advertising herself as the Navy's first woman fighter pilot.

Subsequently, DEI pilots selected competitively, based on grades in flight training, qualified without incident in F-14's & then F-18's.

Fixed it for you….It killed mostly men.

These engines, originally designed for the troubled F-111B, were prone to compressor stalls and other failures, leading to the loss of around 40 F-14s and causing numerous accidents, including the tragic death of Lt. Kara Hultgreen, the Navy's first female carrier aviator.

That's why so many F-14 pilots were reassigned based on their carrier landing scores. Lt Hultgreen induced a compressor stall by blocking inlet airflow by applying too much rudder after she overshot the centerline on approach, then applied excessive power when attempting a single engine go around, causing a departure from controlled flight. Pilot error in causing the engine failure & improper emergency procedures to recover. Not all F-14 losses were due to the engines. It was a very unforgiving aircraft.

Pilot error seemed to have caused a lot of crashes.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Old Salt, YI, C&S, Petey and people like them disagree

[Typical Lax Dad]

Let him die and move to Florida!!

[Farfromgeneva]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

In what ethical realm should a person not hate Trump? Seriously that’s a joke. You have to have septic shock in the brain to like him as a person.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

In what ethical realm should a person not hate Trump? Seriously that’s a joke. You have to have septic shock in the brain to like him as a person.

Old Salt is dishonest.

After news broke about an altercation at the Arlington National Ceremony involving former President Donald Trump’s staff, some social media users drew parallels between that incident and a years-old campaign ad by President Joe Biden at the same location.

An NPR report described a verbal and physical dispute that happened after a cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering and taking photos in an area known as Section 60, an area containing the graves of recent U.S. casualties. Federal rules prohibit political campaigns from taking photos in the area.

Users on X resurfaced a May 25, 2020, Memorial Day campaign ad that President Joe Biden shared on his official X account. It featured a photo, dated May 31, 2010, of Biden standing over a tombstone.

“Well well well,” read one Aug. 29 X post by conservative commentator Jack Posobiec. “Joe Biden literally did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.” Donald Trump Jr. also amplified these claims.


Screenshot from X (PolitiFact)

But the circumstances surrounding the two events are different. The photo of Biden at Section 60 was taken while he was performing his duties as vice president, not as part of a campaign.

The public can take photos at Arlington National Cemetery without a release from Arlington or the Army Department. But Arlington National Cemetery’s media policy prohibits filming or photographing “if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization.”

The policy also said the cemetery will not authorize “filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes,” citing 32 Code of Federal Regulations 553 of the Hatch Act. That law says “memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.”

On May 31, 2010, the date of the photo featured in the ad, Biden was vice president. He participated in a wreath-laying ceremony and delivered a speech as part of his duties. PolitiFact couldn’t find the photo’s source online, but similar photos show him meeting with families in Section 60. The Defense Department also uploaded a photo of Biden speaking with families in Section 60.

At the time, Biden was not running for office. He was sworn in as vice president Jan. 20, 2009. Former President Barack Obama launched his reelection bid with Biden on April 4, 2011.

Biden’s ad, which honored the military and fallen service members’ families, also included this disclaimer at the start of the video: “The use of U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) visual information does not imply or constitute endorsement of the U.S. military, any military personnel or the Department of Defense.”

Trump visited Section 60 on the anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 service members. Some service members’ relatives invited him to visit their loved ones’ graves, The Washington Post reported. Later, a TikTok video featuring a montage of that visit was uploaded on Trump’s official account. It showed clips of Trump visiting tombstones and meeting families while the ad’s narration and text criticized how Biden’s administration handled the U.S.’ exit from Afghanistan, when the suicide bombing happened.

The U.S. Army issued a statement defending the cemetery official who tried to stop Trump’s campaign staff from filming, calling the incident “unfortunate.”

PolitiFact contacted the White House, Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Army for comment but has not received on-the-record responses.

Our ruling

An X post said that Biden “did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.”

Biden shared a 2020 campaign ad that included a photo taken at Arlington National Cemetery, but it was taken in 2010 as part of his vice presidential duties, not as part of a campaign activity.

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

[Farfromgeneva]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

In what ethical realm should a person not hate Trump? Seriously that’s a joke. You have to have septic shock in the brain to like him as a person.

Old Salt is dishonest.

After news broke about an altercation at the Arlington National Ceremony involving former President Donald Trump’s staff, some social media users drew parallels between that incident and a years-old campaign ad by President Joe Biden at the same location.

An NPR report described a verbal and physical dispute that happened after a cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering and taking photos in an area known as Section 60, an area containing the graves of recent U.S. casualties. Federal rules prohibit political campaigns from taking photos in the area.

Users on X resurfaced a May 25, 2020, Memorial Day campaign ad that President Joe Biden shared on his official X account. It featured a photo, dated May 31, 2010, of Biden standing over a tombstone.

“Well well well,” read one Aug. 29 X post by conservative commentator Jack Posobiec. “Joe Biden literally did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.” Donald Trump Jr. also amplified these claims.


Screenshot from X (PolitiFact)

But the circumstances surrounding the two events are different. The photo of Biden at Section 60 was taken while he was performing his duties as vice president, not as part of a campaign.

The public can take photos at Arlington National Cemetery without a release from Arlington or the Army Department. But Arlington National Cemetery’s media policy prohibits filming or photographing “if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization.”

The policy also said the cemetery will not authorize “filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes,” citing 32 Code of Federal Regulations 553 of the Hatch Act. That law says “memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.”

On May 31, 2010, the date of the photo featured in the ad, Biden was vice president. He participated in a wreath-laying ceremony and delivered a speech as part of his duties. PolitiFact couldn’t find the photo’s source online, but similar photos show him meeting with families in Section 60. The Defense Department also uploaded a photo of Biden speaking with families in Section 60.

At the time, Biden was not running for office. He was sworn in as vice president Jan. 20, 2009. Former President Barack Obama launched his reelection bid with Biden on April 4, 2011.

Biden’s ad, which honored the military and fallen service members’ families, also included this disclaimer at the start of the video: “The use of U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) visual information does not imply or constitute endorsement of the U.S. military, any military personnel or the Department of Defense.”

Trump visited Section 60 on the anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 service members. Some service members’ relatives invited him to visit their loved ones’ graves, The Washington Post reported. Later, a TikTok video featuring a montage of that visit was uploaded on Trump’s official account. It showed clips of Trump visiting tombstones and meeting families while the ad’s narration and text criticized how Biden’s administration handled the U.S.’ exit from Afghanistan, when the suicide bombing happened.

The U.S. Army issued a statement defending the cemetery official who tried to stop Trump’s campaign staff from filming, calling the incident “unfortunate.”

PolitiFact contacted the White House, Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Army for comment but has not received on-the-record responses.

Our ruling

An X post said that Biden “did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.”

Biden shared a 2020 campaign ad that included a photo taken at Arlington National Cemetery, but it was taken in 2010 as part of his vice presidential duties, not as part of a campaign activity.

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Seriously these octogenarians complain about me being uncouth or whatever then prop up this price of turd that makes me look like the love child of the Dali lama and Jesus himself

[ggait]

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Mostly false. Totally how Salty and the Magas roll.

Although completely false is even better -- "Frankly, we did win that election."

[Typical Lax Dad]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

In what ethical realm should a person not hate Trump? Seriously that’s a joke. You have to have septic shock in the brain to like him as a person.

Old Salt is dishonest.

After news broke about an altercation at the Arlington National Ceremony involving former President Donald Trump’s staff, some social media users drew parallels between that incident and a years-old campaign ad by President Joe Biden at the same location.

An NPR report described a verbal and physical dispute that happened after a cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering and taking photos in an area known as Section 60, an area containing the graves of recent U.S. casualties. Federal rules prohibit political campaigns from taking photos in the area.

Users on X resurfaced a May 25, 2020, Memorial Day campaign ad that President Joe Biden shared on his official X account. It featured a photo, dated May 31, 2010, of Biden standing over a tombstone.

“Well well well,” read one Aug. 29 X post by conservative commentator Jack Posobiec. “Joe Biden literally did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.” Donald Trump Jr. also amplified these claims.


Screenshot from X (PolitiFact)

But the circumstances surrounding the two events are different. The photo of Biden at Section 60 was taken while he was performing his duties as vice president, not as part of a campaign.

The public can take photos at Arlington National Cemetery without a release from Arlington or the Army Department. But Arlington National Cemetery’s media policy prohibits filming or photographing “if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization.”

The policy also said the cemetery will not authorize “filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes,” citing 32 Code of Federal Regulations 553 of the Hatch Act. That law says “memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.”

On May 31, 2010, the date of the photo featured in the ad, Biden was vice president. He participated in a wreath-laying ceremony and delivered a speech as part of his duties. PolitiFact couldn’t find the photo’s source online, but similar photos show him meeting with families in Section 60. The Defense Department also uploaded a photo of Biden speaking with families in Section 60.

At the time, Biden was not running for office. He was sworn in as vice president Jan. 20, 2009. Former President Barack Obama launched his reelection bid with Biden on April 4, 2011.

Biden’s ad, which honored the military and fallen service members’ families, also included this disclaimer at the start of the video: “The use of U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) visual information does not imply or constitute endorsement of the U.S. military, any military personnel or the Department of Defense.”

Trump visited Section 60 on the anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 service members. Some service members’ relatives invited him to visit their loved ones’ graves, The Washington Post reported. Later, a TikTok video featuring a montage of that visit was uploaded on Trump’s official account. It showed clips of Trump visiting tombstones and meeting families while the ad’s narration and text criticized how Biden’s administration handled the U.S.’ exit from Afghanistan, when the suicide bombing happened.

The U.S. Army issued a statement defending the cemetery official who tried to stop Trump’s campaign staff from filming, calling the incident “unfortunate.”

PolitiFact contacted the White House, Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Army for comment but has not received on-the-record responses.

Our ruling

An X post said that Biden “did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.”

Biden shared a 2020 campaign ad that included a photo taken at Arlington National Cemetery, but it was taken in 2010 as part of his vice presidential duties, not as part of a campaign activity.

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Seriously these octogenarians complain about me being uncouth or whatever then prop up this price of turd that makes me look like the love child of the Dali lama and Jesus himself

And “one of the few guys that shows his faith” is a ring leader….the type of leader that says one thing and then gets down with the alter boy in the rectumry.

[old salt]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

In what ethical realm should a person not hate Trump? Seriously that’s a joke. You have to have septic shock in the brain to like him as a person.

Old Salt is dishonest.

After news broke about an altercation at the Arlington National Ceremony involving former President Donald Trump’s staff, some social media users drew parallels between that incident and a years-old campaign ad by President Joe Biden at the same location.

An NPR report described a verbal and physical dispute that happened after a cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering and taking photos in an area known as Section 60, an area containing the graves of recent U.S. casualties. Federal rules prohibit political campaigns from taking photos in the area.

Users on X resurfaced a May 25, 2020, Memorial Day campaign ad that President Joe Biden shared on his official X account. It featured a photo, dated May 31, 2010, of Biden standing over a tombstone.

“Well well well,” read one Aug. 29 X post by conservative commentator Jack Posobiec. “Joe Biden literally did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.” Donald Trump Jr. also amplified these claims.


Screenshot from X (PolitiFact)

But the circumstances surrounding the two events are different. The photo of Biden at Section 60 was taken while he was performing his duties as vice president, not as part of a campaign.

The public can take photos at Arlington National Cemetery without a release from Arlington or the Army Department. But Arlington National Cemetery’s media policy prohibits filming or photographing “if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization.”

The policy also said the cemetery will not authorize “filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes,” citing 32 Code of Federal Regulations 553 of the Hatch Act. That law says “memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.”

On May 31, 2010, the date of the photo featured in the ad, Biden was vice president. He participated in a wreath-laying ceremony and delivered a speech as part of his duties. PolitiFact couldn’t find the photo’s source online, but similar photos show him meeting with families in Section 60. The Defense Department also uploaded a photo of Biden speaking with families in Section 60.

At the time, Biden was not running for office. He was sworn in as vice president Jan. 20, 2009. Former President Barack Obama launched his reelection bid with Biden on April 4, 2011.

Biden’s ad, which honored the military and fallen service members’ families, also included this disclaimer at the start of the video: “The use of U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) visual information does not imply or constitute endorsement of the U.S. military, any military personnel or the Department of Defense.”

Trump visited Section 60 on the anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 service members. Some service members’ relatives invited him to visit their loved ones’ graves, The Washington Post reported. Later, a TikTok video featuring a montage of that visit was uploaded on Trump’s official account. It showed clips of Trump visiting tombstones and meeting families while the ad’s narration and text criticized how Biden’s administration handled the U.S.’ exit from Afghanistan, when the suicide bombing happened.

The U.S. Army issued a statement defending the cemetery official who tried to stop Trump’s campaign staff from filming, calling the incident “unfortunate.”

PolitiFact contacted the White House, Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Army for comment but has not received on-the-record responses.

Our ruling

An X post said that Biden “did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.”

Biden shared a 2020 campaign ad that included a photo taken at Arlington National Cemetery, but it was taken in 2010 as part of his vice presidential duties, not as part of a campaign activity.

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Seriously these octogenarians complain about me being uncouth or whatever then prop up this price of turd that makes me look like the love child of the Dali lama and Jesus himself

And “one of the few guys that shows his faith” is a ring leader….the type of leader that says one thing and then gets down with the alter boy in the rectumry.

Blah, blah, blah. The fact remains that both Trump & Biden used pics & video from Sec 60 in campaign ads.
It does not matter when Biden's pic & video were taken, his campaign chose to use it in a campaign ad.
At least Trump was acting at the behest of the Gold Star families being honored.

All the rest is an attempt to divert attention from the Gold Star families holding Biden & Harris to account for their decision to withdraw from Afghanistan when & how they did.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

In what ethical realm should a person not hate Trump? Seriously that’s a joke. You have to have septic shock in the brain to like him as a person.

Old Salt is dishonest.

After news broke about an altercation at the Arlington National Ceremony involving former President Donald Trump’s staff, some social media users drew parallels between that incident and a years-old campaign ad by President Joe Biden at the same location.

An NPR report described a verbal and physical dispute that happened after a cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering and taking photos in an area known as Section 60, an area containing the graves of recent U.S. casualties. Federal rules prohibit political campaigns from taking photos in the area.

Users on X resurfaced a May 25, 2020, Memorial Day campaign ad that President Joe Biden shared on his official X account. It featured a photo, dated May 31, 2010, of Biden standing over a tombstone.

“Well well well,” read one Aug. 29 X post by conservative commentator Jack Posobiec. “Joe Biden literally did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.” Donald Trump Jr. also amplified these claims.


Screenshot from X (PolitiFact)

But the circumstances surrounding the two events are different. The photo of Biden at Section 60 was taken while he was performing his duties as vice president, not as part of a campaign.

The public can take photos at Arlington National Cemetery without a release from Arlington or the Army Department. But Arlington National Cemetery’s media policy prohibits filming or photographing “if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization.”

The policy also said the cemetery will not authorize “filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes,” citing 32 Code of Federal Regulations 553 of the Hatch Act. That law says “memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.”

On May 31, 2010, the date of the photo featured in the ad, Biden was vice president. He participated in a wreath-laying ceremony and delivered a speech as part of his duties. PolitiFact couldn’t find the photo’s source online, but similar photos show him meeting with families in Section 60. The Defense Department also uploaded a photo of Biden speaking with families in Section 60.

At the time, Biden was not running for office. He was sworn in as vice president Jan. 20, 2009. Former President Barack Obama launched his reelection bid with Biden on April 4, 2011.

Biden’s ad, which honored the military and fallen service members’ families, also included this disclaimer at the start of the video: “The use of U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) visual information does not imply or constitute endorsement of the U.S. military, any military personnel or the Department of Defense.”

Trump visited Section 60 on the anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 service members. Some service members’ relatives invited him to visit their loved ones’ graves, The Washington Post reported. Later, a TikTok video featuring a montage of that visit was uploaded on Trump’s official account. It showed clips of Trump visiting tombstones and meeting families while the ad’s narration and text criticized how Biden’s administration handled the U.S.’ exit from Afghanistan, when the suicide bombing happened.

The U.S. Army issued a statement defending the cemetery official who tried to stop Trump’s campaign staff from filming, calling the incident “unfortunate.”

PolitiFact contacted the White House, Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Army for comment but has not received on-the-record responses.

Our ruling

An X post said that Biden “did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.”

Biden shared a 2020 campaign ad that included a photo taken at Arlington National Cemetery, but it was taken in 2010 as part of his vice presidential duties, not as part of a campaign activity.

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Seriously these octogenarians complain about me being uncouth or whatever then prop up this price of turd that makes me look like the love child of the Dali lama and Jesus himself

And “one of the few guys that shows his faith” is a ring leader….the type of leader that says one thing and then gets down with the alter boy in the rectumry.

Blah, blah, blah. The fact remains that both Trump & Biden used pics & video from Sec 60 in campaign ads.
It does not matter when Biden's pic & video were taken, his campaign chose to use it in a campaign ad.
At least Trump was acting at the behest of the Gold Star families being honored.

All the rest is an attempt to divert attention from the Gold Star families holding Biden & Harris to account for their decision to withdraw from Afghanistan when & how they did.

You in the rectumry also.

[old salt]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/c ... ufactured/

September 3, 2024 2:57 PM

National Review senior editor Charles C. W. Cooke, on today’s edition of The Editors, said the criticism of Donald Trump’s Arlington cemetery visit is in large part an example of “what David French used to call Trump law.”

This is, Cooke said, “where everyone else is allowed to do something except Trump.” The “rule, insofar as it is a rule [to not campaign in Arlington], seems from what I’ve seen to be a little bit like the Hatch Act or the Logan Act: something that people talk about indignantly, but doesn’t really exist or if it does exist is enforced extremely rarely and only against people we don’t like.”

Cooke said that he “wouldn’t be surprised if [the Trump team was] inappropriate. . . . And if that’s the case, it does deserve criticism. But the criticism has primarily been about Trump being there at all. Publicizing his presence at all. Using it for campaigning at all. Not that there was an argument.

“I have an extremely cynical view of this,” Cooke said. “I think what has happened here is that the Democrats understand that one of the groups that they need to either swing to Harris or persuade to stay at home is military veterans and serving military personnel and that they thought this would be a good way of doing it.

“This is an op, effectively. And I think that Harris went out over her skis. I think that she thought that the press would back up whatever she said and broadcast whatever she said. And she was right about that. And I don’t think she expected to get videoed pushback from eight Gold Star families on the internet.”

I wonder if the Harris campaign, or her Pentagon flacks, knew about the 2020 Biden campaign ad from Section 60 ? ...oops.

[MDlaxfan76]

Harris getting some pretty meh polls in PA. Tied or just ahead by 1 point.

Given that Trump over-performed his polls in 2016 and 2020, that isn't very solid for Harris.

Down to 42% win probability in Silver's model. Because PA is that important. Because Harris' convention bounce is meh. And because RFK Jr. dropping out seems to be helping Trump a bit more than expected.

538 says 55%; Race to WH says 48%; Economist says 50%; Decision Desk HQ says 56%. All trending sideways or down for Harris.

Harris needs a pretty solid W in the debate imo.

Campaign is really just getting started.
And ground game is going to matter a ton...that's where I see an advantage for Harris.

I agree the debate may matter, one way or the other...but I doubt it's going to move the needle a ton.

Her 'bounce' was pre Convention.

Still needs to maintain a minimum of a +4 margin for the duration, otherwise its most likely curtains for Harris. When you look at 16' and then 20' by contrast, it stands out clear as day.

might only be minimum of +3, but yes, +4 should do it...crazy that it takes that much differential of a majority to win.

[Farfromgeneva]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

In what ethical realm should a person not hate Trump? Seriously that’s a joke. You have to have septic shock in the brain to like him as a person.

Old Salt is dishonest.

After news broke about an altercation at the Arlington National Ceremony involving former President Donald Trump’s staff, some social media users drew parallels between that incident and a years-old campaign ad by President Joe Biden at the same location.

An NPR report described a verbal and physical dispute that happened after a cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering and taking photos in an area known as Section 60, an area containing the graves of recent U.S. casualties. Federal rules prohibit political campaigns from taking photos in the area.

Users on X resurfaced a May 25, 2020, Memorial Day campaign ad that President Joe Biden shared on his official X account. It featured a photo, dated May 31, 2010, of Biden standing over a tombstone.

“Well well well,” read one Aug. 29 X post by conservative commentator Jack Posobiec. “Joe Biden literally did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.” Donald Trump Jr. also amplified these claims.


Screenshot from X (PolitiFact)

But the circumstances surrounding the two events are different. The photo of Biden at Section 60 was taken while he was performing his duties as vice president, not as part of a campaign.

The public can take photos at Arlington National Cemetery without a release from Arlington or the Army Department. But Arlington National Cemetery’s media policy prohibits filming or photographing “if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization.”

The policy also said the cemetery will not authorize “filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes,” citing 32 Code of Federal Regulations 553 of the Hatch Act. That law says “memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.”

On May 31, 2010, the date of the photo featured in the ad, Biden was vice president. He participated in a wreath-laying ceremony and delivered a speech as part of his duties. PolitiFact couldn’t find the photo’s source online, but similar photos show him meeting with families in Section 60. The Defense Department also uploaded a photo of Biden speaking with families in Section 60.

At the time, Biden was not running for office. He was sworn in as vice president Jan. 20, 2009. Former President Barack Obama launched his reelection bid with Biden on April 4, 2011.

Biden’s ad, which honored the military and fallen service members’ families, also included this disclaimer at the start of the video: “The use of U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) visual information does not imply or constitute endorsement of the U.S. military, any military personnel or the Department of Defense.”

Trump visited Section 60 on the anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 service members. Some service members’ relatives invited him to visit their loved ones’ graves, The Washington Post reported. Later, a TikTok video featuring a montage of that visit was uploaded on Trump’s official account. It showed clips of Trump visiting tombstones and meeting families while the ad’s narration and text criticized how Biden’s administration handled the U.S.’ exit from Afghanistan, when the suicide bombing happened.

The U.S. Army issued a statement defending the cemetery official who tried to stop Trump’s campaign staff from filming, calling the incident “unfortunate.”

PolitiFact contacted the White House, Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Army for comment but has not received on-the-record responses.

Our ruling

An X post said that Biden “did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.”

Biden shared a 2020 campaign ad that included a photo taken at Arlington National Cemetery, but it was taken in 2010 as part of his vice presidential duties, not as part of a campaign activity.

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Seriously these octogenarians complain about me being uncouth or whatever then prop up this price of turd that makes me look like the love child of the Dali lama and Jesus himself

And “one of the few guys that shows his faith” is a ring leader….the type of leader that says one thing and then gets down with the alter boy in the rectumry.

Blah, blah, blah. The fact remains that both Trump & Biden used pics & video from Sec 60 in campaign ads.
It does not matter when Biden's pic & video were taken, his campaign chose to use it in a campaign ad.
At least Trump was acting at the behest of the Gold Star families being honored.

All the rest is an attempt to divert attention from the Gold Star families holding Biden & Harris to account for their decision to withdraw from Afghanistan when & how they did.

Your statement that it does not matter as to the context of the pictures is absurd and just plain dumb.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Complete bullsh@t as usual. Trump and LaCivita made this political by using dead warrior gravesites as props for his campaign. Spin away. But the reality is exceedingly simple: he made campaign ads from dead soldiers, immediately after the MOF/CMOH screw up, after the suckers and losers comment, and after diminishing McCain’s ordeal in Vietnam. He’s a gross grifter, and your guy.

His guy and people like him. You are the company you keep.

...you Trump haters had an impressive self-righteous rant going until the campaign ad with Biden in Section 60 surfaced.

In what ethical realm should a person not hate Trump? Seriously that’s a joke. You have to have septic shock in the brain to like him as a person.

Old Salt is dishonest.

After news broke about an altercation at the Arlington National Ceremony involving former President Donald Trump’s staff, some social media users drew parallels between that incident and a years-old campaign ad by President Joe Biden at the same location.

An NPR report described a verbal and physical dispute that happened after a cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering and taking photos in an area known as Section 60, an area containing the graves of recent U.S. casualties. Federal rules prohibit political campaigns from taking photos in the area.

Users on X resurfaced a May 25, 2020, Memorial Day campaign ad that President Joe Biden shared on his official X account. It featured a photo, dated May 31, 2010, of Biden standing over a tombstone.

“Well well well,” read one Aug. 29 X post by conservative commentator Jack Posobiec. “Joe Biden literally did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.” Donald Trump Jr. also amplified these claims.


Screenshot from X (PolitiFact)

But the circumstances surrounding the two events are different. The photo of Biden at Section 60 was taken while he was performing his duties as vice president, not as part of a campaign.

The public can take photos at Arlington National Cemetery without a release from Arlington or the Army Department. But Arlington National Cemetery’s media policy prohibits filming or photographing “if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization.”

The policy also said the cemetery will not authorize “filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes,” citing 32 Code of Federal Regulations 553 of the Hatch Act. That law says “memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities.”

On May 31, 2010, the date of the photo featured in the ad, Biden was vice president. He participated in a wreath-laying ceremony and delivered a speech as part of his duties. PolitiFact couldn’t find the photo’s source online, but similar photos show him meeting with families in Section 60. The Defense Department also uploaded a photo of Biden speaking with families in Section 60.

At the time, Biden was not running for office. He was sworn in as vice president Jan. 20, 2009. Former President Barack Obama launched his reelection bid with Biden on April 4, 2011.

Biden’s ad, which honored the military and fallen service members’ families, also included this disclaimer at the start of the video: “The use of U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) visual information does not imply or constitute endorsement of the U.S. military, any military personnel or the Department of Defense.”

Trump visited Section 60 on the anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 service members. Some service members’ relatives invited him to visit their loved ones’ graves, The Washington Post reported. Later, a TikTok video featuring a montage of that visit was uploaded on Trump’s official account. It showed clips of Trump visiting tombstones and meeting families while the ad’s narration and text criticized how Biden’s administration handled the U.S.’ exit from Afghanistan, when the suicide bombing happened.

The U.S. Army issued a statement defending the cemetery official who tried to stop Trump’s campaign staff from filming, calling the incident “unfortunate.”

PolitiFact contacted the White House, Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Army for comment but has not received on-the-record responses.

Our ruling

An X post said that Biden “did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020.”

Biden shared a 2020 campaign ad that included a photo taken at Arlington National Cemetery, but it was taken in 2010 as part of his vice presidential duties, not as part of a campaign activity.

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Seriously these octogenarians complain about me being uncouth or whatever then prop up this price of turd that makes me look like the love child of the Dali lama and Jesus himself

And “one of the few guys that shows his faith” is a ring leader….the type of leader that says one thing and then gets down with the alter boy in the rectumry.

Blah, blah, blah. The fact remains that both Trump & Biden used pics & video from Sec 60 in campaign ads.
It does not matter when Biden's pic & video were taken, his campaign chose to use it in a campaign ad.
At least Trump was acting at the behest of the Gold Star families being honored.

All the rest is an attempt to divert attention from the Gold Star families holding Biden & Harris to account for their decision to withdraw from Afghanistan when & how they did.

Your statement that it does not matter as to the context of the pictures is absurd and just plain dumb.

At this point, why bother with him. There really is no one more dishonest in a discussion of these sorts of matters than Old Salt. Completely party over country. Apologist for almost any defalcation by Trump. No moral compass. No fidelity to his oath.

[youthathletics]

Questions worth asking at debate: https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1831335954315104655

[Seacoaster(1)]

Questions worth asking at debate: https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1831335954315104655

Benny is apparently funded by the Russians and is a knowing or unknowing operative of Russian propaganda. And for the record, Russia is the enemy.

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/05/nx-s1-51 ... rs-youtube

"After Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, many American cable distributors dropped RT’s U.S channel, RT America, from their lineups, and it eventually shut down production. The video scheme allowed RT to covertly reach American audiences without a presence on the airwaves, the indictment alleged.

Tenet publicly launched in November 2023 with six contributors well-known in right-wing media, including Benny Johnson, Tim Pool, David Rubin, and Lauren Southern. The videos they create for Tenet regularly cover conservative staples including “migrant gangs,” transgender people, online censorship, and attacks on Vice President Kamala Harris and President Joe Biden.

“While the views expressed in the videos are not uniform, the subject matter and content of the videos are often consistent with the Government of Russia's interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions in order to weaken U.S. opposition to core Government of Russia interests, such as its ongoing war in Ukraine,” the indictment said."

Benny and his influencer friends are Russian mis-information conduits. The guys who turn lies into reality.

[cradleandshoot]

Questions worth asking at debate: https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1831335954315104655

Her values haven't changed but her policies have... it seems like her policies can change just like the direction of the wind. Amazingly a die hard banning fracking advocate is suddenly warmed up to loving fracking. At least that is what she is telling the residents of Pennsylvania. Of course with her built in flexibility her policy towards fracking will likely change drastically on January 21 2025 if elected. Then they will again be in sync with her values.
What can be, unburdened by what has been done..