Progressive Ideology

[cradleandshoot]

Rochester NY is in free fall.

Holy smokes.

https://twitter.com/anthea06274890/stat ... 85667?s=21

Mayor defunded the police. Brawls at 1 am. No cops. As bad as Baltimore. These cities are hosed. Democrats are exposing your families to violence, but mostly they’re exposing POC.

Aftermath.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/roche ... arking-lot

I live in Rochester. The city is a prime example of what FLP leadership will give you. The mayor is under indictment for campaign fraud. Her husband has been arrested for being a " mid level" dealer in a local drug ring. When they raided the mayor's house they found an illegal, unregistered handgun in her bedroom that Mayor Warren knew nothing about. The police have been defended, the Rochester police officers are bailing out in record numbers. The local police are over stressed and understaffed. The city has turned into the new wild west. In the last 2 weeks 3 young black kids were gunned down or stabbed to death in broad daylight. A 30 year old black mother was shot 10 times while sitting in her car... WITH HER 3 AND 8 YEAR OLD CHILDREN sitting in the back seat. Monday morning in the Wal Mart parking lot a couple hundred young folks were having what they call a "car show" this is a different kind of car show. This one takes place at midnight. The car owners pop their trunks and pump the jams from the stereo systems in their trunks. Then you break out the bottles in the brown bags and fire up the blunts. The fireworks start getting launched in the air. Then drunk and stoned people begin to disagree about who knows what. The obvious course of action is to break out the illegal handguns and start popping caps at everyone in sight. The collateral damage was within the guidelines. One 18 year old shot dead, one other in the hospital in critical condition to others recovering from gunshot wounds. Mayor Warren, the lame duck mayor, finally realized how badly she screwed up. The city of Rochester has requested emergency assistance from any enforcement agency willing to help. The NYS police, Monroe County Sheriff and even certain units from the FBI have been called in to help. Until this extra law enforcement can get a handle on things.. the shooting gallery is open for business. The best hope the city has will be when Malik Evans becomes the new mayor of Rochester in January.

[Peter Brown]

Rochester NY is in free fall.

Holy smokes.

https://twitter.com/anthea06274890/stat ... 85667?s=21

Mayor defunded the police. Brawls at 1 am. No cops. As bad as Baltimore. These cities are hosed. Democrats are exposing your families to violence, but mostly they’re exposing POC.

Aftermath.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/roche ... arking-lot

I live in Rochester. The city is a prime example of what FLP leadership will give you. The mayor is under indictment for campaign fraud. Her husband has been arrested for being a " mid level" dealer in a local drug ring. When they raided the mayor's house they found an illegal, unregistered handgun in her bedroom that Mayor Warren knew nothing about. The police have been defended, the Rochester police officers are bailing out in record numbers. The local police are over stressed and understaffed. The city has turned into the new wild west. In the last 2 weeks 3 young black kids were gunned down or stabbed to death in broad daylight. A 30 year old black mother was shot 10 times while sitting in her car... WITH HER 3 AND 8 YEAR OLD CHILDREN sitting in the back seat. Monday morning in the Wal Mart parking lot a couple hundred young folks were having what they call a "car show" this is a different kind of car show. This one takes place at midnight. The car owners pop their trunks and pump the jams from the stereo systems in their trunks. Then you break out the bottles in the brown bags and fire up the blunts. The fireworks start getting launched in the air. Then drunk and stoned people begin to disagree about who knows what. The obvious course of action is to break out the illegal handguns and start popping caps at everyone in sight. The collateral damage was within the guidelines. One 18 year old shot dead, one other in the hospital in critical condition to others recovering from gunshot wounds. Mayor Warren, the lame duck mayor, finally realized how badly she screwed up. The city of Rochester has requested emergency assistance from any enforcement agency willing to help. The NYS police, Monroe County Sheriff and even certain units from the FBI have been called in to help. Until this extra law enforcement can get a handle on things.. the shooting gallery is open for business. The best hope the city has will be when Malik Evans becomes the new mayor of Rochester in January.

Amazing video of that brawl/shooting in the WalMart parking lot.

Prison is a nicer environment than what these people have as homelife, which is why the price of life is so cheap to them on the outside...killing people they don’t even know over complete nothingburgers. The girls fighting in the video are fighting over perceived personal slights, and the crowd eggs them on in a barbaric fashion, with zero respect for life or civility.

Meanwhile, totally innocent taxpayers foot the Bill for the FLP ‘leadership’, and the innocent lives are the ones that are cheapened (no mom in her right mind will send a kid to that mall now that they know murders happen so easily....business goes down, good kids who work there lose jobs, etc...). This happens in every city where Democrats control the scene. Every. Single. One.

And yet, people defend a far left progressive philosophy. Amazing.

Good thing we got rid of those mean mean tweets.

[youthathletics]

When keeping it real, goes wrong.....Reminds me of Brenda Rounds :

[Farfromgeneva]

Rochester NY is in free fall.

Holy smokes.

https://twitter.com/anthea06274890/stat ... 85667?s=21

Mayor defunded the police. Brawls at 1 am. No cops. As bad as Baltimore. These cities are hosed. Democrats are exposing your families to violence, but mostly they’re exposing POC.

Aftermath.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/roche ... arking-lot

I live in Rochester. The city is a prime example of what FLP leadership will give you. The mayor is under indictment for campaign fraud. Her husband has been arrested for being a " mid level" dealer in a local drug ring. When they raided the mayor's house they found an illegal, unregistered handgun in her bedroom that Mayor Warren knew nothing about. The police have been defended, the Rochester police officers are bailing out in record numbers. The local police are over stressed and understaffed. The city has turned into the new wild west. In the last 2 weeks 3 young black kids were gunned down or stabbed to death in broad daylight. A 30 year old black mother was shot 10 times while sitting in her car... WITH HER 3 AND 8 YEAR OLD CHILDREN sitting in the back seat. Monday morning in the Wal Mart parking lot a couple hundred young folks were having what they call a "car show" this is a different kind of car show. This one takes place at midnight. The car owners pop their trunks and pump the jams from the stereo systems in their trunks. Then you break out the bottles in the brown bags and fire up the blunts. The fireworks start getting launched in the air. Then drunk and stoned people begin to disagree about who knows what. The obvious course of action is to break out the illegal handguns and start popping caps at everyone in sight. The collateral damage was within the guidelines. One 18 year old shot dead, one other in the hospital in critical condition to others recovering from gunshot wounds. Mayor Warren, the lame duck mayor, finally realized how badly she screwed up. The city of Rochester has requested emergency assistance from any enforcement agency willing to help. The NYS police, Monroe County Sheriff and even certain units from the FBI have been called in to help. Until this extra law enforcement can get a handle on things.. the shooting gallery is open for business. The best hope the city has will be when Malik Evans becomes the new mayor of Rochester in January.

Stoned? Haven’t you discussed a family member publicly, as opposed to pms for which you’d consider someone a rat as stated on these forums many times before, who gets stoned regularly?

Hypocrisy much?

[cradleandshoot]

Rochester NY is in free fall.

Holy smokes.

https://twitter.com/anthea06274890/stat ... 85667?s=21

Mayor defunded the police. Brawls at 1 am. No cops. As bad as Baltimore. These cities are hosed. Democrats are exposing your families to violence, but mostly they’re exposing POC.

Aftermath.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/roche ... arking-lot

I live in Rochester. The city is a prime example of what FLP leadership will give you. The mayor is under indictment for campaign fraud. Her husband has been arrested for being a " mid level" dealer in a local drug ring. When they raided the mayor's house they found an illegal, unregistered handgun in her bedroom that Mayor Warren knew nothing about. The police have been defended, the Rochester police officers are bailing out in record numbers. The local police are over stressed and understaffed. The city has turned into the new wild west. In the last 2 weeks 3 young black kids were gunned down or stabbed to death in broad daylight. A 30 year old black mother was shot 10 times while sitting in her car... WITH HER 3 AND 8 YEAR OLD CHILDREN sitting in the back seat. Monday morning in the Wal Mart parking lot a couple hundred young folks were having what they call a "car show" this is a different kind of car show. This one takes place at midnight. The car owners pop their trunks and pump the jams from the stereo systems in their trunks. Then you break out the bottles in the brown bags and fire up the blunts. The fireworks start getting launched in the air. Then drunk and stoned people begin to disagree about who knows what. The obvious course of action is to break out the illegal handguns and start popping caps at everyone in sight. The collateral damage was within the guidelines. One 18 year old shot dead, one other in the hospital in critical condition to others recovering from gunshot wounds. Mayor Warren, the lame duck mayor, finally realized how badly she screwed up. The city of Rochester has requested emergency assistance from any enforcement agency willing to help. The NYS police, Monroe County Sheriff and even certain units from the FBI have been called in to help. Until this extra law enforcement can get a handle on things.. the shooting gallery is open for business. The best hope the city has will be when Malik Evans becomes the new mayor of Rochester in January.

Stoned? Haven’t you discussed a family member publicly, as opposed to pms for which you’d consider someone a rat as stated on these forums many times before, who gets stoned regularly?

Hypocrisy much?

No idea what you are talking about FFG. My best friend died from his cocaine abuse 20 years ago. I don't give a fig about anybody that wants to drink or get stoned. I don't think a Wal Mart parking lot at 1 am is an ideal spot to have a couple 100 people getting drunk and stoned with some of the partiers having illegal weapons on them while doing so. Then some people scratch their heads and wonder how this happens.

[Farfromgeneva]

Former cop nephew

[Kismet]

So blatantly disregarding the anthem/flag of a country during a sporting event does not express positive or negative thoughts of said country?

Hmmm. Seems a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps all athletes should use the Olympics and medal stand as a stage to protest.

Perhaps an American could act this way during the Chinese anthem? Or Russian?

It isn’t disrespect. It’s out of love!

Kram, as someone who gets annoyed when the anthem strikes up and see lots of guys leave their hats on, continue talking, drink their beer etc, I agree that it's disrespectful. It's not a protest, it's because they simply don't respect the moment, nor their fellow 'fans'.

But a purposeful protest is another matter altogether. Consciously saying to fellow Americans that we should live more fully up to our country's ideals and aspirations.

And BTW, I suspect a lot of those I see being disrespectful at sporting events are the same sorts who would be blowhards about an African American athlete protesting for racial justice.

My questions about blind obeisance started in elementary school when we all were instructed to stand, place our hands over our hearts and recite a sales promo authored by a flag salesman in the early 20th century. And great it is has been and could continue to be. However, their have been significant injustices and will continue to be if we do not acknowledge the past and confront the continued issues that flow from same.

Public occasions like this and the playing of the national anthem with its troubled history aren't moments of disregard for me, but moments to reflect on the gap between the "Norman Rockwell" image promulgated by these displays and the reality of the history of our great nation. So, I will sit quietly and let others perform whatever rituals they wish without comment or interruption. I extend to others the same right and expectation of public comportment.

Whatever you do, don't sit in judgment of my patriotism. I'll express my opinions and beliefs whenever and wherever I so choose.


“A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.”

This comment led me to find out a little more.

OMG, a socialist! https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

And a racist one to boot:

'Bellamy, a former Baptist preacher, had irritated his Boston Brahmin flock with his socialist ideas. But as a writer and publicist at the Companion, he let ’em rip. In a series of speeches and editorials that were equal parts marketing, political theory and racism, he argued that Gilded Age capitalism, along with “every alien immigrant of inferior race,” eroded traditional values, and that pledging allegiance would ensure “that the distinctive principles of true Americanism will not perish as long as free, public education endures.”'

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180956332/

About the flag sales:

'Francis Bellamy, a Christian minister, penned the patriotic sentence in 1892 to mark the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s arrival in the Americas. He wrote at the time for a general-interest magazine called the Youth’s Companion, which published the pledge to encourage schoolchildren to recite it each morning.

Schools would need to purchase flags for students to do so, according to pledge expert Shelley Lapkoff, and the magazine just happened to sell them.

“It was both to get people to have flags, in keeping with their belief of patriotism, and then also to help their business,” Lapkoff said. “I believe the reason that flags are so predominant in our culture is because of the Pledge of Allegiance and this mass-marketing campaign that went on.”

It’s still a public-school tradition to say the pledge each morning, though the accompanying gesture has switched from an outstretched hand to a hand-over-heart salute, according to Elizabeth Brown, a reference librarian at the Library of Congress.

“It’s just so much a part of the fabric of American society,” Brown said. “We all grew up with it in our schools and our scout meetings and at so many events.”'

Want some real American originalism and exceptionalism? Try eugenics.

"The American eugenics movement was formed during the late nineteenth century and continued as late as the 1940s. The American eugenics movement embraced negative eugenics, with the goal to eliminate undesirable genetic traits in the human race through selective breeding. During the American eugenics movement, laws were enacted that legalized forced sterilizations and prohibited individuals that had mental or physical defects and couples of mixed-race from marrying (Bouche & Rivard, 2014)."

https://sites.uw.edu/twomn347/2019/12/1 ... -movement/

And continues to this day... See the forced sterilization of Britney Spears for an example.

'At the end of her passionate, 24-minute speech, Spears dropped a final bombshell of an accusation: Her “so-called team” refused to let her remove the intrauterine contraceptive device (IUD) implanted inside her, preventing her from having more children.'

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... parenthood

Yep, all good here. No issues from our past that need top be dragged out into the light.

"The next time allegations surface that ICE detention centers are coercively sterilizing people without informed consent, I hope that [people] are as outraged as they are about Britney Spears’ situation. The next time that allegations surface that prisons in California or the next state have been sterilizing folks without informed consent."

... where do you think Hitler got his ideas about eugenics? In the 30's the USA was #1 in theory and practice, but our student quickly surpassed us. History of eugenics. Is it ok to mention this? Could trigger some anti-critical race theory snowflake that doesn't want America's real history to get out.

Quite correct.

I'd recommend this book by Daniel Okrent on the subject which was sadly misapplied to Southern and Eastern Europeans during that time period.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/422 ... arded-gate


Ironically many of their descendants now use the same tactics that were applied to their ancestors who emigrated to America in the late 19th - early 20th Century.

Hypocrisy on a grand scale.

[kramerica.inc]

People act surprised like the US or the rest of the world wasn't incredibly racist in the 20th century.
It was better than the 19th century, but still not good. The world as a whole was brutal to anyone outside the ruling caste.
In a myriad of ways. As technology and cultures advance, life gets better for those outside it.
Its a never ending process of refinement. There is a reason people complain about each successive generation becoming "soft."
Because they ARE! But don't freak out people, it's just the advancement of civilization occurring around you - People becoming more civilized...

[cradleandshoot]

People act surprised like the US or the rest of the world wasn't incredibly racist in the 20th century.
It was better than the 19th century, but still not good. The world as a whole was brutal to anyone outside the ruling caste.
In a myriad of ways. As technology and cultures advance, life gets better for those outside it.
Its a never ending process of refinement. There is a reason people complain about each successive generation becoming "soft."
Because they ARE! But don't freak out people, it's just the advancement of civilization occurring around you - People becoming more civilized...

+1 a brilliant post. It is not like our world does not have a multi thousand year record of man's inhumanity to man. If you listen to some of the chowder heads on this forum racism and slavery was a new concept invented in the 1600s. If we want to introduce the concept of reperations we need to back track at least 2000 years.

[jhu72]

The end of neoliberalism in America?

[youthathletics]

Chief of police in Oakland after they pull close to 18 million from the police: https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/ ... 78272?s=20

[Farfromgeneva]

So blatantly disregarding the anthem/flag of a country during a sporting event does not express positive or negative thoughts of said country?

Hmmm. Seems a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps all athletes should use the Olympics and medal stand as a stage to protest.

Perhaps an American could act this way during the Chinese anthem? Or Russian?

It isn’t disrespect. It’s out of love!

Kram, as someone who gets annoyed when the anthem strikes up and see lots of guys leave their hats on, continue talking, drink their beer etc, I agree that it's disrespectful. It's not a protest, it's because they simply don't respect the moment, nor their fellow 'fans'.

But a purposeful protest is another matter altogether. Consciously saying to fellow Americans that we should live more fully up to our country's ideals and aspirations.

And BTW, I suspect a lot of those I see being disrespectful at sporting events are the same sorts who would be blowhards about an African American athlete protesting for racial justice.

My questions about blind obeisance started in elementary school when we all were instructed to stand, place our hands over our hearts and recite a sales promo authored by a flag salesman in the early 20th century. And great it is has been and could continue to be. However, their have been significant injustices and will continue to be if we do not acknowledge the past and confront the continued issues that flow from same.

Public occasions like this and the playing of the national anthem with its troubled history aren't moments of disregard for me, but moments to reflect on the gap between the "Norman Rockwell" image promulgated by these displays and the reality of the history of our great nation. So, I will sit quietly and let others perform whatever rituals they wish without comment or interruption. I extend to others the same right and expectation of public comportment.

Whatever you do, don't sit in judgment of my patriotism. I'll express my opinions and beliefs whenever and wherever I so choose.


“A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.”

This comment led me to find out a little more.

OMG, a socialist! https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

And a racist one to boot:

'Bellamy, a former Baptist preacher, had irritated his Boston Brahmin flock with his socialist ideas. But as a writer and publicist at the Companion, he let ’em rip. In a series of speeches and editorials that were equal parts marketing, political theory and racism, he argued that Gilded Age capitalism, along with “every alien immigrant of inferior race,” eroded traditional values, and that pledging allegiance would ensure “that the distinctive principles of true Americanism will not perish as long as free, public education endures.”'

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180956332/

About the flag sales:

'Francis Bellamy, a Christian minister, penned the patriotic sentence in 1892 to mark the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s arrival in the Americas. He wrote at the time for a general-interest magazine called the Youth’s Companion, which published the pledge to encourage schoolchildren to recite it each morning.

Schools would need to purchase flags for students to do so, according to pledge expert Shelley Lapkoff, and the magazine just happened to sell them.

“It was both to get people to have flags, in keeping with their belief of patriotism, and then also to help their business,” Lapkoff said. “I believe the reason that flags are so predominant in our culture is because of the Pledge of Allegiance and this mass-marketing campaign that went on.”

It’s still a public-school tradition to say the pledge each morning, though the accompanying gesture has switched from an outstretched hand to a hand-over-heart salute, according to Elizabeth Brown, a reference librarian at the Library of Congress.

“It’s just so much a part of the fabric of American society,” Brown said. “We all grew up with it in our schools and our scout meetings and at so many events.”'

Want some real American originalism and exceptionalism? Try eugenics.

"The American eugenics movement was formed during the late nineteenth century and continued as late as the 1940s. The American eugenics movement embraced negative eugenics, with the goal to eliminate undesirable genetic traits in the human race through selective breeding. During the American eugenics movement, laws were enacted that legalized forced sterilizations and prohibited individuals that had mental or physical defects and couples of mixed-race from marrying (Bouche & Rivard, 2014)."

https://sites.uw.edu/twomn347/2019/12/1 ... -movement/

And continues to this day... See the forced sterilization of Britney Spears for an example.

'At the end of her passionate, 24-minute speech, Spears dropped a final bombshell of an accusation: Her “so-called team” refused to let her remove the intrauterine contraceptive device (IUD) implanted inside her, preventing her from having more children.'

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... parenthood

Yep, all good here. No issues from our past that need top be dragged out into the light.

"The next time allegations surface that ICE detention centers are coercively sterilizing people without informed consent, I hope that [people] are as outraged as they are about Britney Spears’ situation. The next time that allegations surface that prisons in California or the next state have been sterilizing folks without informed consent."

... where do you think Hitler got his ideas about eugenics? In the 30's the USA was #1 in theory and practice, but our student quickly surpassed us. History of eugenics. Is it ok to mention this? Could trigger some anti-critical race theory snowflake that doesn't want America's real history to get out.

I refrained from mentioning that little fact. Some people with delicate psyches can only take so much reality per day...

Talk about delicate psyches. I wonder how many of those billion of chicoms will ever hear about the 10s of millions of innocent Chinese citizens murdered under Chairman Mao. Pardon the interruption while you folks go back to lecturing all of us about Hitler.

Talk about delicate psyches…..Indigenous people north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people.

That be some killin’. Pardon the interruption while you go back to reaping the benefits of a privileged life on native land.

Dude let’s be real. We treated them well, even gave them blankets!

[youthathletics]

So blatantly disregarding the anthem/flag of a country during a sporting event does not express positive or negative thoughts of said country?

Hmmm. Seems a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps all athletes should use the Olympics and medal stand as a stage to protest.

Perhaps an American could act this way during the Chinese anthem? Or Russian?

It isn’t disrespect. It’s out of love!

Kram, as someone who gets annoyed when the anthem strikes up and see lots of guys leave their hats on, continue talking, drink their beer etc, I agree that it's disrespectful. It's not a protest, it's because they simply don't respect the moment, nor their fellow 'fans'.

But a purposeful protest is another matter altogether. Consciously saying to fellow Americans that we should live more fully up to our country's ideals and aspirations.

And BTW, I suspect a lot of those I see being disrespectful at sporting events are the same sorts who would be blowhards about an African American athlete protesting for racial justice.

My questions about blind obeisance started in elementary school when we all were instructed to stand, place our hands over our hearts and recite a sales promo authored by a flag salesman in the early 20th century. And great it is has been and could continue to be. However, their have been significant injustices and will continue to be if we do not acknowledge the past and confront the continued issues that flow from same.

Public occasions like this and the playing of the national anthem with its troubled history aren't moments of disregard for me, but moments to reflect on the gap between the "Norman Rockwell" image promulgated by these displays and the reality of the history of our great nation. So, I will sit quietly and let others perform whatever rituals they wish without comment or interruption. I extend to others the same right and expectation of public comportment.

Whatever you do, don't sit in judgment of my patriotism. I'll express my opinions and beliefs whenever and wherever I so choose.


“A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.”

This comment led me to find out a little more.

OMG, a socialist! https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

And a racist one to boot:

'Bellamy, a former Baptist preacher, had irritated his Boston Brahmin flock with his socialist ideas. But as a writer and publicist at the Companion, he let ’em rip. In a series of speeches and editorials that were equal parts marketing, political theory and racism, he argued that Gilded Age capitalism, along with “every alien immigrant of inferior race,” eroded traditional values, and that pledging allegiance would ensure “that the distinctive principles of true Americanism will not perish as long as free, public education endures.”'

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180956332/

About the flag sales:

'Francis Bellamy, a Christian minister, penned the patriotic sentence in 1892 to mark the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s arrival in the Americas. He wrote at the time for a general-interest magazine called the Youth’s Companion, which published the pledge to encourage schoolchildren to recite it each morning.

Schools would need to purchase flags for students to do so, according to pledge expert Shelley Lapkoff, and the magazine just happened to sell them.

“It was both to get people to have flags, in keeping with their belief of patriotism, and then also to help their business,” Lapkoff said. “I believe the reason that flags are so predominant in our culture is because of the Pledge of Allegiance and this mass-marketing campaign that went on.”

It’s still a public-school tradition to say the pledge each morning, though the accompanying gesture has switched from an outstretched hand to a hand-over-heart salute, according to Elizabeth Brown, a reference librarian at the Library of Congress.

“It’s just so much a part of the fabric of American society,” Brown said. “We all grew up with it in our schools and our scout meetings and at so many events.”'

Want some real American originalism and exceptionalism? Try eugenics.

"The American eugenics movement was formed during the late nineteenth century and continued as late as the 1940s. The American eugenics movement embraced negative eugenics, with the goal to eliminate undesirable genetic traits in the human race through selective breeding. During the American eugenics movement, laws were enacted that legalized forced sterilizations and prohibited individuals that had mental or physical defects and couples of mixed-race from marrying (Bouche & Rivard, 2014)."

https://sites.uw.edu/twomn347/2019/12/1 ... -movement/

And continues to this day... See the forced sterilization of Britney Spears for an example.

'At the end of her passionate, 24-minute speech, Spears dropped a final bombshell of an accusation: Her “so-called team” refused to let her remove the intrauterine contraceptive device (IUD) implanted inside her, preventing her from having more children.'

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... parenthood

Yep, all good here. No issues from our past that need top be dragged out into the light.

"The next time allegations surface that ICE detention centers are coercively sterilizing people without informed consent, I hope that [people] are as outraged as they are about Britney Spears’ situation. The next time that allegations surface that prisons in California or the next state have been sterilizing folks without informed consent."

... where do you think Hitler got his ideas about eugenics? In the 30's the USA was #1 in theory and practice, but our student quickly surpassed us. History of eugenics. Is it ok to mention this? Could trigger some anti-critical race theory snowflake that doesn't want America's real history to get out.

I refrained from mentioning that little fact. Some people with delicate psyches can only take so much reality per day...

Talk about delicate psyches. I wonder how many of those billion of chicoms will ever hear about the 10s of millions of innocent Chinese citizens murdered under Chairman Mao. Pardon the interruption while you folks go back to lecturing all of us about Hitler.

Talk about delicate psyches…..Indigenous people north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people.

That be some killin’. Pardon the interruption while you go back to reaping the benefits of a privileged life on native land.

Dude let’s be real. We treated them well, even gave them blankets!

The rulers of the Barbary coast countries were such nice people, I think they were the ones making the blankets. no?
Jefferson shoulda just shut up and not followed what was right to do.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So blatantly disregarding the anthem/flag of a country during a sporting event does not express positive or negative thoughts of said country?

Hmmm. Seems a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps all athletes should use the Olympics and medal stand as a stage to protest.

Perhaps an American could act this way during the Chinese anthem? Or Russian?

It isn’t disrespect. It’s out of love!

Kram, as someone who gets annoyed when the anthem strikes up and see lots of guys leave their hats on, continue talking, drink their beer etc, I agree that it's disrespectful. It's not a protest, it's because they simply don't respect the moment, nor their fellow 'fans'.

But a purposeful protest is another matter altogether. Consciously saying to fellow Americans that we should live more fully up to our country's ideals and aspirations.

And BTW, I suspect a lot of those I see being disrespectful at sporting events are the same sorts who would be blowhards about an African American athlete protesting for racial justice.

My questions about blind obeisance started in elementary school when we all were instructed to stand, place our hands over our hearts and recite a sales promo authored by a flag salesman in the early 20th century. And great it is has been and could continue to be. However, their have been significant injustices and will continue to be if we do not acknowledge the past and confront the continued issues that flow from same.

Public occasions like this and the playing of the national anthem with its troubled history aren't moments of disregard for me, but moments to reflect on the gap between the "Norman Rockwell" image promulgated by these displays and the reality of the history of our great nation. So, I will sit quietly and let others perform whatever rituals they wish without comment or interruption. I extend to others the same right and expectation of public comportment.

Whatever you do, don't sit in judgment of my patriotism. I'll express my opinions and beliefs whenever and wherever I so choose.


“A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.”

This comment led me to find out a little more.

OMG, a socialist! https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

And a racist one to boot:

'Bellamy, a former Baptist preacher, had irritated his Boston Brahmin flock with his socialist ideas. But as a writer and publicist at the Companion, he let ’em rip. In a series of speeches and editorials that were equal parts marketing, political theory and racism, he argued that Gilded Age capitalism, along with “every alien immigrant of inferior race,” eroded traditional values, and that pledging allegiance would ensure “that the distinctive principles of true Americanism will not perish as long as free, public education endures.”'

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180956332/

About the flag sales:

'Francis Bellamy, a Christian minister, penned the patriotic sentence in 1892 to mark the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s arrival in the Americas. He wrote at the time for a general-interest magazine called the Youth’s Companion, which published the pledge to encourage schoolchildren to recite it each morning.

Schools would need to purchase flags for students to do so, according to pledge expert Shelley Lapkoff, and the magazine just happened to sell them.

“It was both to get people to have flags, in keeping with their belief of patriotism, and then also to help their business,” Lapkoff said. “I believe the reason that flags are so predominant in our culture is because of the Pledge of Allegiance and this mass-marketing campaign that went on.”

It’s still a public-school tradition to say the pledge each morning, though the accompanying gesture has switched from an outstretched hand to a hand-over-heart salute, according to Elizabeth Brown, a reference librarian at the Library of Congress.

“It’s just so much a part of the fabric of American society,” Brown said. “We all grew up with it in our schools and our scout meetings and at so many events.”'

Want some real American originalism and exceptionalism? Try eugenics.

"The American eugenics movement was formed during the late nineteenth century and continued as late as the 1940s. The American eugenics movement embraced negative eugenics, with the goal to eliminate undesirable genetic traits in the human race through selective breeding. During the American eugenics movement, laws were enacted that legalized forced sterilizations and prohibited individuals that had mental or physical defects and couples of mixed-race from marrying (Bouche & Rivard, 2014)."

https://sites.uw.edu/twomn347/2019/12/1 ... -movement/

And continues to this day... See the forced sterilization of Britney Spears for an example.

'At the end of her passionate, 24-minute speech, Spears dropped a final bombshell of an accusation: Her “so-called team” refused to let her remove the intrauterine contraceptive device (IUD) implanted inside her, preventing her from having more children.'

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... parenthood

Yep, all good here. No issues from our past that need top be dragged out into the light.

"The next time allegations surface that ICE detention centers are coercively sterilizing people without informed consent, I hope that [people] are as outraged as they are about Britney Spears’ situation. The next time that allegations surface that prisons in California or the next state have been sterilizing folks without informed consent."

... where do you think Hitler got his ideas about eugenics? In the 30's the USA was #1 in theory and practice, but our student quickly surpassed us. History of eugenics. Is it ok to mention this? Could trigger some anti-critical race theory snowflake that doesn't want America's real history to get out.

I refrained from mentioning that little fact. Some people with delicate psyches can only take so much reality per day...

Talk about delicate psyches. I wonder how many of those billion of chicoms will ever hear about the 10s of millions of innocent Chinese citizens murdered under Chairman Mao. Pardon the interruption while you folks go back to lecturing all of us about Hitler.

Talk about delicate psyches…..Indigenous people north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people.

That be some killin’. Pardon the interruption while you go back to reaping the benefits of a privileged life on native land.

Dude let’s be real. We treated them well, even gave them blankets!

The rulers of the Barbary coast countries were such nice people, I think they were the ones making the blankets. no?
Jefferson shoulda just shut up and not followed what was right to do.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Your boy Fat Al

[youthathletics]

“Don’t get caught up in the past Honeybee, it’s not where ya come from, it’s where you got your thick right now”

[Typical Lax Dad]

“Don’t get caught up in the past Honeybee, it’s not where ya come from, it’s where you got your thick right now”

[jhu72]

We see it going on all around the world. The marginalized being stepped on, minorities speaking out and fighting back, continually ignored. It is not just the US. Canada is no different. Canada's AOC speaks out at the time of her retirement from Parliament.

[kramerica.inc]

[cradleandshoot]

+1 true and funny as hell.