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It was the last year of D3 and our streak had been busted in 92 so some folks didn’t want to go out a non champ (which we did anyway but no one in lacrosse will ever touch of 12 straight natl titles and 13/15). Ironically many of the early 90s hobart lacrosse guys had much bigger egos from my experience than many in the first half of the 80s who built that run.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

Gretchen wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

When I was at school a football player got drunk and was shooting a crossbow down the hall one night. Wasn’t expelled. Certainly taught me something...

Gretchen wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

I’m quite aware (One of) my school failed him. But my point was he was still running a highly successful club and 20yrs after that incident he’s behaving the same way which means there was no rehabilitation and any parent that is informed on this and blanket doesn’t care gets what they deserve. This woman would not care less. Then when her son pulls a Maddux, Hugeley, who was the 5th year from UVA/Bucknell, Scanlon, Pat Perrier etc whos responsibility is that?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:41 am I’m quite aware (One of) my school failed him. But my point was he was still running a highly successful club and 20yrs after that incident he’s behaving the same way which means there was no rehabilitation and any parent that is informed on this and blanket doesn’t care gets what they deserve. This woman would not care less. Then when her son pulls a Maddux, Hugeley, who was the 5th year from UVA/Bucknell, Scanlon, Pat Perrier etc whos responsibility is that?

In the end, the individuals. it's just the responsibility of the people around this individual to be able to say that they did the right thing(s). From where I'm sitting.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:33 am

Gretchen wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

When I was at school a football player got drunk and was shooting a crossbow down the hall one night. Wasn’t expelled. Certainly taught me something...

Now I need to get a crossbow.

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:44 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:41 am I’m quite aware (One of) my school failed him. But my point was he was still running a highly successful club and 20yrs after that incident he’s behaving the same way which means there was no rehabilitation and any parent that is informed on this and blanket doesn’t care gets what they deserve. This woman would not care less. Then when her son pulls a Maddux, Hugeley, who was the 5th year from UVA/Bucknell, Scanlon, Pat Perrier etc whos responsibility is that?

In the end, the individuals. it's just the responsibility of the people around this individual to be able to say that they did the right thing(s). From where I'm sitting.

I guess without chase having lived at home in Hs but instead at Nick Bolleterris tennis camp (er lacrosse school) I wonder what both Toomey and Desko did before this event though we will never know. He wasn’t getting it at home but he wasn’t home either for a chunk of his childhood. Hence the lacrosse and sports money machine Pre college has some guilt in all of this too IMO.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:33 am

Gretchen wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

When I was at school a football player got drunk and was shooting a crossbow down the hall one night. Wasn’t expelled. Certainly taught me something...

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:41 am

Gretchen wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

I’m quite aware (One of) my school failed him. But my point was he was still running a highly successful club and 20yrs after that incident he’s behaving the same way which means there was no rehabilitation and any parent that is informed on this and blanket doesn’t care gets what they deserve. This woman would not care less. Then when her son pulls a Maddux, Hugeley, who was the 5th year from UVA/Bucknell, Scanlon, Pat Perrier etc whos responsibility is that?

Yeah, unfortunately, Madlax still around here. I have a couple of younger sons right now and we are working our way through the NOVA youth lax circuit right now and even 7 years later. Not much has changed. Rumors are decisions made by Madlax this spring blew up a couple of county youth programs to the point they struggled with fielding full teams or in one county's case not being able to field a full field 10U team.

steel_hop wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:27 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:41 am

Gretchen wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

I’m quite aware (One of) my school failed him. But my point was he was still running a highly successful club and 20yrs after that incident he’s behaving the same way which means there was no rehabilitation and any parent that is informed on this and blanket doesn’t care gets what they deserve. This woman would not care less. Then when her son pulls a Maddux, Hugeley, who was the 5th year from UVA/Bucknell, Scanlon, Pat Perrier etc whos responsibility is that?

I have a couple of younger sons right now and we are working our way through the NOVA youth lax circuit right now ...

NOVA lacrosse,

Dennis Stewart RIP

steel_hop wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:27 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:41 am

Gretchen wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

I’m quite aware (One of) my school failed him. But my point was he was still running a highly successful club and 20yrs after that incident he’s behaving the same way which means there was no rehabilitation and any parent that is informed on this and blanket doesn’t care gets what they deserve. This woman would not care less. Then when her son pulls a Maddux, Hugeley, who was the 5th year from UVA/Bucknell, Scanlon, Pat Perrier etc whos responsibility is that?

Yeah, unfortunately, Madlax still around here. I have a couple of younger sons right now and we are working our way through the NOVA youth lax circuit right now and even 7 years later. Not much has changed. Rumors are decisions made by Madlax this spring blew up a couple of county youth programs to the point they struggled with fielding full teams or in one county's case not being able to field a full field 10U team.

parents don't really comprehend what kind of destruction they're doing to the landscape buying into the full year club model. for their own kids as well in many cases.
but say nova is prime and fertile ground for not just the madlax's but all the others. and they care about numero uno.
places like nova had a several decade run of great growth, and that will ebb for a while, already has been.
maybe it was always going to when factoring in hoops, baseball, soccer are all doing the same thing. pick a sport, johnnie.

all the friends that were lifted up by the top 10-20% early bloomers is becoming a wasteland. maybe the pendulum swings, maybe not.

growth will be more isolated to low penetration areas.

My original point was sort of tied back to IMG and Scanlon, clubs etc. these private camps have zero responsibility to anyone and hence don’t teach anything to children (even HS age). And if they did they are sometimes run by menaces who basically haven’t changed since the early 90s when they were allowed to return for lacrosse season from a well earned suspension. Its worse when you have parents that don’t even want to hear it I would think but at least a community league or school tied has some obligation to the community to try and help these kids along as human beings. That mandate doesn’t exist with private camps and so we should almost expect some to come through these systems with major problems that are just swept under the rug until they get into college and start getting held accountable for their actions.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:47 am My original point was sort of tied back to IMG and Scanlon, clubs etc. these private camps have zero responsibility to anyone and hence don’t teach anything to children (even HS age). And if they did they are sometimes run by menaces who basically haven’t changed since the early 90s when they were allowed to return for lacrosse season from a well earned suspension. Its worse when you have parents that don’t even want to hear it I would think but at least a community league or school tied has some obligation to the community to try and help these kids along as human beings. That mandate doesn’t exist with private camps and so we should almost expect some to come through these systems with major problems that are just swept under the rug until they get into college and start getting held accountable for their actions.

You're painting with a pretty broad brush. Not all clubs are the same. Developing the player and person is a mantra many club teams strive for, despite the "profit only" driven few out there.

Well I also can cite LB3 down here which Liam sold but his name is still on it effectively and that one has become a complete joke.

Broad brush is majority. Taking it out of the hands of community supported will naturally lead to more problems when we are talking about youth development, that’s pretty hard to argue with. There’s no business case for developing the person so they naturally won’t focus on it.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:08 am

steel_hop wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:27 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:41 am

Gretchen wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:33 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:14 am Cabell

And, not so strangely, controversy followed Cabell post-Hobart for decades and decades and, as far as i know, until this day. One of the jobs of an educational institution is to educate their students about right and wrong...

I’m quite aware (One of) my school failed him. But my point was he was still running a highly successful club and 20yrs after that incident he’s behaving the same way which means there was no rehabilitation and any parent that is informed on this and blanket doesn’t care gets what they deserve. This woman would not care less. Then when her son pulls a Maddux, Hugeley, who was the 5th year from UVA/Bucknell, Scanlon, Pat Perrier etc whos responsibility is that?

Yeah, unfortunately, Madlax still around here. I have a couple of younger sons right now and we are working our way through the NOVA youth lax circuit right now and even 7 years later. Not much has changed. Rumors are decisions made by Madlax this spring blew up a couple of county youth programs to the point they struggled with fielding full teams or in one county's case not being able to field a full field 10U team.

parents don't really comprehend what kind of destruction they're doing to the landscape buying into the full year club model. for their own kids as well in many cases.
but say nova is prime and fertile ground for not just the madlax's but all the others. and they care about numero uno.
places like nova had a several decade run of great growth, and that will ebb for a while, already has been.
maybe it was always going to when factoring in hoops, baseball, soccer are all doing the same thing. pick a sport, johnnie.

all the friends that were lifted up by the top 10-20% early bloomers is becoming a wasteland. maybe the pendulum swings, maybe not.

growth will be more isolated to low penetration areas.

It's been a real shame watching how the landscape has changed in the lacrosse world at the youth and high school levels over the last decade, and not for the better. The growing money grab that is the club model is damaging the game at the youth level, which is in turn hampering public school lacrosse. This is exacerbated by the way many of the prep schools have wrung every competitive advantage they can in the name of winning. People used to complain about PGs, but the reality is that PGing was not a widespread phenomenon, and in most cases there were obvious and tangible benefits for academics as much or more than lacrosse (see Rob Pannell). Now if you were to take a deep dive into most prep school rosters, you'd find that they are riddled with holdbacks and repeat players who are a year older than their competition. When IL started showing the birthdates for their 4 and 5 star '22 recruits, it was eye opening; there were private school players who were more than a year, and in some cases almost 2 years older than a few of their public school counterparts.

FMUBart wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:01 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:47 am My original point was sort of tied back to IMG and Scanlon, clubs etc. these private camps have zero responsibility to anyone and hence don’t teach anything to children (even HS age). And if they did they are sometimes run by menaces who basically haven’t changed since the early 90s when they were allowed to return for lacrosse season from a well earned suspension. Its worse when you have parents that don’t even want to hear it I would think but at least a community league or school tied has some obligation to the community to try and help these kids along as human beings. That mandate doesn’t exist with private camps and so we should almost expect some to come through these systems with major problems that are just swept under the rug until they get into college and start getting held accountable for their actions.

You're painting with a pretty broad brush. Not all clubs are the same. Developing the player and person is a mantra many club teams strive for, despite the "profit only" driven few out there.

Clubs have lots of issues. I won't deny that. But, I will saw if it wasn't for club lacrosse team my son was on last year he would be mental case. His club team has always taken a relaxed view on the club and it was designed for kids that want to play other sports. So as you can guess it isn't Madlax. Now, as some can guess this has its drawbacks. But, when all sports shut down in NOVA, it was his club lax team that worked it get running by early July and he was back playing. It wasn't county sports (and this isn't specific to lacrosse) playing.

His current one has a good model built off of improving play but with requirements on grades (particularly high school) and working toward different level of play and competition. For my son's current age it is perfect. And doesn't interfere with county games (unlike some of the other programs).

And last I will speak about some clubs have created the situation where someone said "what's the worst thing about AAU basketball and travel soccer? Great let's model most of our stuff of that."

I wasn't saying all clubs bad, but I am saying that their equation does not inculde community considerations as a variable that community organized or school based does. Do these groups do it well? No in general but it's implictily part of the mandate (if not explicitly) and that simply doesn't exist on the private side, it's about atheltic excellence. You think anyone at IMG paid any attention to Scanlon in his human devlopment like he would've gotten closer to home in community based organizations? Madlax puts kids in great college programs but based on what we know and what I've shared for some that didnt' know his past do you think he spends one half of one second on a kids personal behavior outside when it may impact his club and his $? And the parents who willfully don't want to hear it are equally or more responsible. It's just the nature of the migration of these sports into private enterprise. I'm less assaulting it than pointing out this is what you get, so to speak, in this new world order.

Heart with those Syracuse players but head says Georgetown. Not bet as Syracuse just too volatile to figure. Cost me all season.

Not surprisingly article on syracuse.com stating SU lacrosse needs a reset... Fear of becoming just another lacrosse team. Yes, this years team didn't meet expectations but Desko has earned the right to coach through 2022.

laxpert wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:42 am Not surprisingly article on syracuse.com stating SU lacrosse needs a reset... Fear of becoming just another lacrosse team. Yes, this years team didn't meet expectations but Desko has earned the right to coach through 2022.

I know Syracuse fans have been disappointed with first-round bounces in recent years, but Desko has led Syracuse to the NCAA tournament every year it’s been held since 2008. That’s a remarkable feat in this era. Not many teams can say the same.

DocBarrister