MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:24 am
by Peter Brown
Did anyone catch this clown car?
A navy SEAL (supposedly a SEAL) appeared on Anderson cooper to rah rah the new military policy of paying for transitioning enlisted.
AYFKM?!
Who gave any enlisted member the right to appear on any television show to discuss political topics?! Is this what our military is becoming? If so, like so many other things in life, technology will simply erase the need for labor, and people like this will simply not be needed anymore. Drones and remote warfare will be the standard, faster than what we thought.
The US taxpayer should not pay for transitioning, and the fact is well over 90% of these folks have mental instability.
What a world the left likes to embrace. The silver lining to all of their inanity is technology simply removes the hurdles they out up,
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to take a whizz on America and instead celebrate woke protests; you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally envision an athlete burn the American flag at the Olympics, that form of protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
Full disclosure here, I normally would not watch very much of the Olympics. The decision to ignore the games completely was just made a whole lot easier.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
"The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games (and commercials) and support their" corporate overlords.
You think the Olympics (like the NCAAs) is about anything other than money? And pots, er, I mean people, here call me naive?
"Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve"
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:59 am
Ohh, the horror. Athlete protests continue.
Probably need to not like the United States's first place winner too...
DeAnna Price won the trials with a throw of 263 feet, 6 inches, which was nearly 7 feet longer than Berry's throw. Brooke Andersen took second place.
Price, who became only the second woman in history to crack 80 meters, said she had no problem sharing the stage with Berry.
'I think people should say whatever they want to say. I'm proud of her,' Price said.
She figures to be going for gold along with world-record holder Anita Wlodarczyk of Poland, who is expected to be in Japan. Meanwhile, Andersen's throw was a mere 2 inches shy of Berry's personal best.
Maybe they should do a straw poll of the entire US Olympic team and post each and every athletes opinion on line for everyone to see. If your representing the USA and you turn your back on the flag of the country you are representing, why are you participating in the games at all?
Serious question?
One, because it marks the highest possible achievement in their sport, the culmination of a lifetime striving to accomplish the near impossible.
Two, because it provides a highly public platform from which to register a protest, to advocate a view.
Three, because some Americans believe that loving one's country, true American patriotism, is not marked by obeisance to a flag or an anthem, nor conformity in any sense, but rather in the freedom to express oneself, including challenging one's country to live up to its highest ideals of freedom and justice for all.
My best guess would be all three apply in this situation, just as it did in 1968.
I want to try and respect your opinion. This may be the biggest pile of horsechit you have ever posted on this forum. It is an honor to be chosen to represent your country. That honor should be treated by every athlete as such.
Hey, you're free to boycott watching her and her fellow athletes represent the USA. Turn your TV off if you can't handle the fact that some athletes are using their platform, earned by their victories, to express themselves freely.
Or hey, move to China or NK...they quite agree that their athletes are "chosen to represent" their country and that any show of personal protest deserves jail and "reduction" or worse.
I'm taking your advice MD. I will not watch one second of the Olympics. It disgusts me to no end that our athletes would disrespect their country and their flag. Good men and women died for what that flag represents. Your attitude and lack of understanding what that flag means to so many of us Americans disgusts me to no end. I have to stop writing right now because I am yet again on the brink of being reprimanded for making a personal attack..
I understand your point of view, far better than you assume.
And I don't have any argument with your respect for the flag or the anthem. I happen to be quite comfortable taking my hat off, putting my hand over my heart, and either singing along or listening quietly, during the anthem. I take the moments to remember my own stake in the country from which I have benefited so much.
My debate is with any denigration of another's patriotism because they believe that the truest expression of their own love of their country, in a specific moment, is to challenge it and their fellow Americans to live up to the ideals it expresses, to live up fully to its best aspirations.
My opinion is unwavering. If you are chosen to represent your country in the Olympics the flag is the symbol of every American that that helped make that possible. You can hate your country all you want. If that is what you feel in your heart, then you politely refuse to participate in the games. I'm guessing that some of these principled athletes would gladly turn their back on all the endorsement money they will earn from representing that flag they have so much contempt for.
Except that they don't "hate their country", they want it to live up more fully to its ideals.
Buffalo Bagels as a Fan would say. Your representing your country because you were chosen. I guess I can say that having athletes with this perspective representing my country... I have no problem not watching or paying any attention to these Olympics.
American athletes are "chosen" because they have the best chance to win, not because of their politics nor their race (anymore).
But you needn't watch them win.
You needn't root for them to win.
That's up to you to decide for yourself.
I get it that you want to vent. So many do.
But you're simply wrong, just like millions before you were wrong about the values of America, and the 'value' of Americans.
The Declaration of Independence and the 3/5 clause of the Constitution are both wholly American, but which represents our best ideals as America? Asking for our country to live more fully up to those ideals is an expression of love and faith in those ideals, and by extension our country's best aspirations.
“You’re wrong”. Jesus flipping’ cripes, the arrogance is comical.
Back to the relevant issue.
Gwen can hammer-toss in a 1,000 hammer-toss events during the year which have squat to do with one’s country. Heck she can go to a track tomorrow and validate her throw distance.
The Olympics are about country. We love our athletes, and kind of expect that they’ll love America in return.
MD probably seethed when US hockey team beat the USSR at the Lake Placid games in ‘80.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
"The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games (and commercials) and support their" corporate overlords.
You think the Olympics (like the NCAAs) is about anything other than money? And pots, er, I mean people, here call me naive?
"Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve"
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
"The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games (and commercials) and support their" corporate overlords.
You think the Olympics (like the NCAAs) is about anything other than money? And pots, er, I mean people, here call me naive?
"Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve"
The games were not always suppose to be about money. I remember the miracle on ice in Lake Placid. The spectacle of all those hockey players celebrating and waving the American flag...what a bunch of losers they were ehhh?
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
"The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games (and commercials) and support their" corporate overlords.
You think the Olympics (like the NCAAs) is about anything other than money? And pots, er, I mean people, here call me naive?
"Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve"
The games were not always suppose to be about money. I remember the miracle on ice in Lake Placid. The spectacle of all those hockey players celebrating and waving the American flag...what a bunch of losers they were ehhh?
... that was a very unique moment of national unity. Even non-Hockey, non-sports fans saw it as such. That does not make all Olympics, events of national unity.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
"The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games (and commercials) and support their" corporate overlords.
You think the Olympics (like the NCAAs) is about anything other than money? And pots, er, I mean people, here call me naive?
"Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve"
The games were not always suppose to be about money. I remember the miracle on ice in Lake Placid. The spectacle of all those hockey players celebrating and waving the American flag...what a bunch of losers they were ehhh?
On some level Pizza is correct. But he doesn’t understand why the Olympics are about money. The Olympics historically are well-viewed because people love the country versus country aspect: ‘my country is the best!’ It’s why Norwegians love cross country skiing; the Dutch speed skating; and so forth.
When American athletes (even third-rate ones like Gwen, she finished 3rd in a seldom-watched sport outside of Romania) beat their chests (‘look at me!’) and loudly tell others America sucks, viewers will abandon the Telly faster than a fart at mass clears the church.
There simply aren’t enough America-haters to sustain the coming train wreck.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:59 am
Ohh, the horror. Athlete protests continue.
Probably need to not like the United States's first place winner too...
DeAnna Price won the trials with a throw of 263 feet, 6 inches, which was nearly 7 feet longer than Berry's throw. Brooke Andersen took second place.
Price, who became only the second woman in history to crack 80 meters, said she had no problem sharing the stage with Berry.
'I think people should say whatever they want to say. I'm proud of her,' Price said.
She figures to be going for gold along with world-record holder Anita Wlodarczyk of Poland, who is expected to be in Japan. Meanwhile, Andersen's throw was a mere 2 inches shy of Berry's personal best.
Maybe they should do a straw poll of the entire US Olympic team and post each and every athletes opinion on line for everyone to see. If your representing the USA and you turn your back on the flag of the country you are representing, why are you participating in the games at all?
Serious question?
One, because it marks the highest possible achievement in their sport, the culmination of a lifetime striving to accomplish the near impossible.
Two, because it provides a highly public platform from which to register a protest, to advocate a view.
Three, because some Americans believe that loving one's country, true American patriotism, is not marked by obeisance to a flag or an anthem, nor conformity in any sense, but rather in the freedom to express oneself, including challenging one's country to live up to its highest ideals of freedom and justice for all.
My best guess would be all three apply in this situation, just as it did in 1968.
I want to try and respect your opinion. This may be the biggest pile of horsechit you have ever posted on this forum. It is an honor to be chosen to represent your country. That honor should be treated by every athlete as such.
Hey, you're free to boycott watching her and her fellow athletes represent the USA. Turn your TV off if you can't handle the fact that some athletes are using their platform, earned by their victories, to express themselves freely.
Or hey, move to China or NK...they quite agree that their athletes are "chosen to represent" their country and that any show of personal protest deserves jail and "reduction" or worse.
I'm taking your advice MD. I will not watch one second of the Olympics. It disgusts me to no end that our athletes would disrespect their country and their flag. Good men and women died for what that flag represents. Your attitude and lack of understanding what that flag means to so many of us Americans disgusts me to no end. I have to stop writing right now because I am yet again on the brink of being reprimanded for making a personal attack..
I understand your point of view, far better than you assume.
And I don't have any argument with your respect for the flag or the anthem. I happen to be quite comfortable taking my hat off, putting my hand over my heart, and either singing along or listening quietly, during the anthem. I take the moments to remember my own stake in the country from which I have benefited so much.
My debate is with any denigration of another's patriotism because they believe that the truest expression of their own love of their country, in a specific moment, is to challenge it and their fellow Americans to live up to the ideals it expresses, to live up fully to its best aspirations.
My opinion is unwavering. If you are chosen to represent your country in the Olympics the flag is the symbol of every American that that helped make that possible. You can hate your country all you want. If that is what you feel in your heart, then you politely refuse to participate in the games. I'm guessing that some of these principled athletes would gladly turn their back on all the endorsement money they will earn from representing that flag they have so much contempt for.
Except that they don't "hate their country", they want it to live up more fully to its ideals.
Buffalo Bagels as a Fan would say. Your representing your country because you were chosen. I guess I can say that having athletes with this perspective representing my country... I have no problem not watching or paying any attention to these Olympics.
American athletes are "chosen" because they have the best chance to win, not because of their politics nor their race (anymore).
But you needn't watch them win.
You needn't root for them to win.
That's up to you to decide for yourself.
I get it that you want to vent. So many do.
But you're simply wrong, just like millions before you were wrong about the values of America, and the 'value' of Americans.
The Declaration of Independence and the 3/5 clause of the Constitution are both wholly American, but which represents our best ideals as America? Asking for our country to live more fully up to those ideals is an expression of love and faith in those ideals, and by extension our country's best aspirations.
“You’re wrong”. Jesus flipping’ cripes, the arrogance is comical.
Back to the relevant issue.
Gwen can hammer-toss in a 1,000 hammer-toss events during the year which have squat to do with one’s country. Heck she can go to a track tomorrow and validate her throw distance.
The Olympics are about country. We love our athletes, and kind of expect that they’ll love America in return.
MD probably seethed when US hockey team beat the USSR at the Lake Placid games in ‘80.
WHAT BULLSH*T!
Old grandpappy would have said that it takes a bullchitter to understand bullchit... BTW, what is a nine inch nail? Do they fall in between an 8 penny nail and a 10 penny nail? I'm guessing they are as confused about standard nail measurements as they are about music.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
"The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games (and commercials) and support their" corporate overlords.
You think the Olympics (like the NCAAs) is about anything other than money? And pots, er, I mean people, here call me naive?
"Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve"
The games were not always suppose to be about money. I remember the miracle on ice in Lake Placid. The spectacle of all those hockey players celebrating and waving the American flag...what a bunch of losers they were ehhh?
On some level Pizza is correct. But he doesn’t understand why the Olympics are about money. The Olympics historically are well-viewed because people love the country versus country aspect: ‘my country is the best!’ It’s why Norwegians love cross country skiing; the Dutch speed skating; and so forth.
When American athletes (even third-rate ones like Gwen, she finished 3rd in a seldom-watched sport outside of Romania) beat their chests (‘look at me!’) and loudly tell others America sucks, viewers will abandon the Telly faster than a fart at mass clears the church.
There simply aren’t enough America-haters to sustain the coming train wreck.
My simple solution is my own little form of protest... don't watch the games, the networks will love that. If i did watch, swimming and diving were the events I enjoy. Maybe in 4 more years??? Who knows?
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:59 am
Ohh, the horror. Athlete protests continue.
Probably need to not like the United States's first place winner too...
DeAnna Price won the trials with a throw of 263 feet, 6 inches, which was nearly 7 feet longer than Berry's throw. Brooke Andersen took second place.
Price, who became only the second woman in history to crack 80 meters, said she had no problem sharing the stage with Berry.
'I think people should say whatever they want to say. I'm proud of her,' Price said.
She figures to be going for gold along with world-record holder Anita Wlodarczyk of Poland, who is expected to be in Japan. Meanwhile, Andersen's throw was a mere 2 inches shy of Berry's personal best.
Maybe they should do a straw poll of the entire US Olympic team and post each and every athletes opinion on line for everyone to see. If your representing the USA and you turn your back on the flag of the country you are representing, why are you participating in the games at all?
Serious question?
One, because it marks the highest possible achievement in their sport, the culmination of a lifetime striving to accomplish the near impossible.
Two, because it provides a highly public platform from which to register a protest, to advocate a view.
Three, because some Americans believe that loving one's country, true American patriotism, is not marked by obeisance to a flag or an anthem, nor conformity in any sense, but rather in the freedom to express oneself, including challenging one's country to live up to its highest ideals of freedom and justice for all.
My best guess would be all three apply in this situation, just as it did in 1968.
I want to try and respect your opinion. This may be the biggest pile of horsechit you have ever posted on this forum. It is an honor to be chosen to represent your country. That honor should be treated by every athlete as such.
Hey, you're free to boycott watching her and her fellow athletes represent the USA. Turn your TV off if you can't handle the fact that some athletes are using their platform, earned by their victories, to express themselves freely.
Or hey, move to China or NK...they quite agree that their athletes are "chosen to represent" their country and that any show of personal protest deserves jail and "reduction" or worse.
I'm taking your advice MD. I will not watch one second of the Olympics. It disgusts me to no end that our athletes would disrespect their country and their flag. Good men and women died for what that flag represents. Your attitude and lack of understanding what that flag means to so many of us Americans disgusts me to no end. I have to stop writing right now because I am yet again on the brink of being reprimanded for making a personal attack..
I understand your point of view, far better than you assume.
And I don't have any argument with your respect for the flag or the anthem. I happen to be quite comfortable taking my hat off, putting my hand over my heart, and either singing along or listening quietly, during the anthem. I take the moments to remember my own stake in the country from which I have benefited so much.
My debate is with any denigration of another's patriotism because they believe that the truest expression of their own love of their country, in a specific moment, is to challenge it and their fellow Americans to live up to the ideals it expresses, to live up fully to its best aspirations.
My opinion is unwavering. If you are chosen to represent your country in the Olympics the flag is the symbol of every American that that helped make that possible. You can hate your country all you want. If that is what you feel in your heart, then you politely refuse to participate in the games. I'm guessing that some of these principled athletes would gladly turn their back on all the endorsement money they will earn from representing that flag they have so much contempt for.
Except that they don't "hate their country", they want it to live up more fully to its ideals.
Buffalo Bagels as a Fan would say. Your representing your country because you were chosen. I guess I can say that having athletes with this perspective representing my country... I have no problem not watching or paying any attention to these Olympics.
American athletes are "chosen" because they have the best chance to win, not because of their politics nor their race (anymore).
But you needn't watch them win.
You needn't root for them to win.
That's up to you to decide for yourself.
I get it that you want to vent. So many do.
But you're simply wrong, just like millions before you were wrong about the values of America, and the 'value' of Americans.
The Declaration of Independence and the 3/5 clause of the Constitution are both wholly American, but which represents our best ideals as America? Asking for our country to live more fully up to those ideals is an expression of love and faith in those ideals, and by extension our country's best aspirations.
“You’re wrong”. Jesus flipping’ cripes, the arrogance is comical.
Back to the relevant issue.
Gwen can hammer-toss in a 1,000 hammer-toss events during the year which have squat to do with one’s country. Heck she can go to a track tomorrow and validate her throw distance.
The Olympics are about country. We love our athletes, and kind of expect that they’ll love America in return.
MD probably seethed when US hockey team beat the USSR at the Lake Placid games in ‘80.
WHAT BULLSH*T!
Old grandpappy would have said that it takes a bullchitter to understand bullchit... BTW, what is a nine inch nail? Do they fall in between an 8 penny nail and a 10 penny nail? I'm guessing they are as confused about standard nail measurements as they are about music.
... its what it says it is -- 9 INCHES! I can understand you having no understanding of something that size Limpie.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
"The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games (and commercials) and support their" corporate overlords.
You think the Olympics (like the NCAAs) is about anything other than money? And pots, er, I mean people, here call me naive?
"Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve"
The games were not always suppose to be about money. I remember the miracle on ice in Lake Placid. The spectacle of all those hockey players celebrating and waving the American flag...what a bunch of losers they were ehhh?
"The games were not always suppose(d) to be about money."
But they are all about money or nationalistic prestige.
Sure, it was a good game. But what elevated it to such heights? A group of "professional" amateurs representing a marginal nation (SU) against a group of college "amateurs" (here we are back at the NCAA)? It is impossible to separate any "purity" of spirit and competition from the morass of human perfidy intertwined around this and many other human rituals. There may exist flashes of decency, but they are largely drowned out by the filth.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:59 am
Ohh, the horror. Athlete protests continue.
Probably need to not like the United States's first place winner too...
DeAnna Price won the trials with a throw of 263 feet, 6 inches, which was nearly 7 feet longer than Berry's throw. Brooke Andersen took second place.
Price, who became only the second woman in history to crack 80 meters, said she had no problem sharing the stage with Berry.
'I think people should say whatever they want to say. I'm proud of her,' Price said.
She figures to be going for gold along with world-record holder Anita Wlodarczyk of Poland, who is expected to be in Japan. Meanwhile, Andersen's throw was a mere 2 inches shy of Berry's personal best.
Maybe they should do a straw poll of the entire US Olympic team and post each and every athletes opinion on line for everyone to see. If your representing the USA and you turn your back on the flag of the country you are representing, why are you participating in the games at all?
Serious question?
One, because it marks the highest possible achievement in their sport, the culmination of a lifetime striving to accomplish the near impossible.
Two, because it provides a highly public platform from which to register a protest, to advocate a view.
Three, because some Americans believe that loving one's country, true American patriotism, is not marked by obeisance to a flag or an anthem, nor conformity in any sense, but rather in the freedom to express oneself, including challenging one's country to live up to its highest ideals of freedom and justice for all.
My best guess would be all three apply in this situation, just as it did in 1968.
I want to try and respect your opinion. This may be the biggest pile of horsechit you have ever posted on this forum. It is an honor to be chosen to represent your country. That honor should be treated by every athlete as such.
Hey, you're free to boycott watching her and her fellow athletes represent the USA. Turn your TV off if you can't handle the fact that some athletes are using their platform, earned by their victories, to express themselves freely.
Or hey, move to China or NK...they quite agree that their athletes are "chosen to represent" their country and that any show of personal protest deserves jail and "reduction" or worse.
I'm taking your advice MD. I will not watch one second of the Olympics. It disgusts me to no end that our athletes would disrespect their country and their flag. Good men and women died for what that flag represents. Your attitude and lack of understanding what that flag means to so many of us Americans disgusts me to no end. I have to stop writing right now because I am yet again on the brink of being reprimanded for making a personal attack..
I understand your point of view, far better than you assume.
And I don't have any argument with your respect for the flag or the anthem. I happen to be quite comfortable taking my hat off, putting my hand over my heart, and either singing along or listening quietly, during the anthem. I take the moments to remember my own stake in the country from which I have benefited so much.
My debate is with any denigration of another's patriotism because they believe that the truest expression of their own love of their country, in a specific moment, is to challenge it and their fellow Americans to live up to the ideals it expresses, to live up fully to its best aspirations.
My opinion is unwavering. If you are chosen to represent your country in the Olympics the flag is the symbol of every American that that helped make that possible. You can hate your country all you want. If that is what you feel in your heart, then you politely refuse to participate in the games. I'm guessing that some of these principled athletes would gladly turn their back on all the endorsement money they will earn from representing that flag they have so much contempt for.
Except that they don't "hate their country", they want it to live up more fully to its ideals.
Buffalo Bagels as a Fan would say. Your representing your country because you were chosen. I guess I can say that having athletes with this perspective representing my country... I have no problem not watching or paying any attention to these Olympics.
American athletes are "chosen" because they have the best chance to win, not because of their politics nor their race (anymore).
But you needn't watch them win.
You needn't root for them to win.
That's up to you to decide for yourself.
I get it that you want to vent. So many do.
But you're simply wrong, just like millions before you were wrong about the values of America, and the 'value' of Americans.
The Declaration of Independence and the 3/5 clause of the Constitution are both wholly American, but which represents our best ideals as America? Asking for our country to live more fully up to those ideals is an expression of love and faith in those ideals, and by extension our country's best aspirations.
“You’re wrong”. Jesus flipping’ cripes, the arrogance is comical.
Back to the relevant issue.
Gwen can hammer-toss in a 1,000 hammer-toss events during the year which have squat to do with one’s country. Heck she can go to a track tomorrow and validate her throw distance.
The Olympics are about country. We love our athletes, and kind of expect that they’ll love America in return.
MD probably seethed when US hockey team beat the USSR at the Lake Placid games in ‘80.
WHAT BULLSH*T!
Old grandpappy would have said that it takes a bullchitter to understand bullchit... BTW, what is a nine inch nail? Do they fall in between an 8 penny nail and a 10 penny nail? I'm guessing they are as confused about standard nail measurements as they are about music.
... its what it says it is -- 9 INCHES! I can understand you having no understanding of something that size Limpie.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
Full disclosure here, I normally would not watch very much of the Olympics. The decision to ignore the games completely was just made a whole lot easier.
This of course is the risk liberals take when pushing the envelope of America hatred. I hate cancel culture with passion, but my suspicion is many fewer viewers will tune in to American hating athletes who proudly wear their hatred on their sleeves.
People love sports. But normal Americans prefer the politics to be left behind. The left is not that. They want politics first.
It’ll be interesting to see how quickly Puma drops their sponsorship of Gwen when she fails to get into the final round let alone actually wins. She’s about the 40th ranked in the world for the hammer toss. Puma picks her over the two American gals who are better than she is, for the reasons that they think the jhu72’s of the world outnumber patriotic Americans. Bad bet.
Meanwhile, viewers like you will ignore the telly because of the growing ‘protests’ (errr, hatred of America).
Here’s a good bet. Over under on how many American athletes do what Gwen does? Will they even participate in an opening ceremony?
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
"The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games (and commercials) and support their" corporate overlords.
You think the Olympics (like the NCAAs) is about anything other than money? And pots, er, I mean people, here call me naive?
"Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve"
The games were not always suppose to be about money. I remember the miracle on ice in Lake Placid. The spectacle of all those hockey players celebrating and waving the American flag...what a bunch of losers they were ehhh?
"The games were not always suppose(d) to be about money."
But they are all about money or nationalistic prestige.
Sure, it was a good game. But what elevated it to such heights? A group of "professional" amateurs representing a marginal nation (SU) against a group of college "amateurs" (here we are back at the NCAA)? It is impossible to separate any "purity" of spirit and competition from the morass of human perfidy intertwined around this and many other human rituals. There may exist flashes of decency, but they are largely drowned out by the filth.
I do not know why am reminded of this now but... my oldest son and i went to Greece in 2000. We went to the original Olympic site. At one point in time there were women that snuck in to watch the games. In later years all spectators had to watch the games naked. The Olympics back then were a big deal. Two countries could be at war with one another, those hostilities would be put aside while both countries participated in the games. The Olympics use to mean something to me... not anymore and maybe never again.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:20 am
by kramerica.inc
So blatantly disregarding the anthem/flag of a country during a sporting event does not express positive or negative thoughts of said country?
Hmmm. Seems a bit of a stretch.
Perhaps all athletes should use the Olympics and medal stand as a stage to protest.
Perhaps an American could act this way during the Chinese anthem? Or Russian?
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:32 pm
Go away, troll.
When your representing your COUNTRY your representing all Americans. If you can't put your personal biases against your country on the sidelines for 10 days. Then stay home and stand by your principles. IMO her coach should have had a heart to heart with her and put it in no uncertain terms. She could choose to make up her own mind. If she can't then the coach should find another athlete to take her place.
yup, that's you think...that it's based on a lie about the reasoning folks like this gal have ("they hate their country", they have "personal biases against their country") is of no matter to you. Ignore their reasoning, all that matters is your assumptions, wrong as they may be.
Got it.
In this instance I don't care about their reasoning. If your beliefs are so strong, stay home. They are going to embarrass their team mates and their country with a selfish protest against their country. Yes I believe it is a symbolic gesture showing hatred and contempt towards your country. I think her behavior was contemptible, you think she a modern day heroine. Got it Lima Charlie. In my world her coach tells her to pack her bags and go home. That would be mean spirited wouldn't it?
Well, in the real world, the coach gets sent home.
But hey, go ahead and move to China or NK if you want it the other way.
No, I don't think she's a heroine.
And I'd prefer that she had another way to express her views.
However, I respect the intent of such protests, and I fully accept that those who protest typically love our country's ideals and best aspirations. Doesn't mean that a protester couldn't 'hate' or have 'contempt' for the country, but I don't read any of that in these particular sorts of protests, certainly not automatically.
I do not respect the intent of her protest. She is not Colin Kaepernick, she is SUPPOSE to be representing the United States of America. She has to have to have the ability to put aside her political beliefs and animosity for as long as she has been given this honor and this opportunity that many thousands of athletes would give anything to achieve.
This picture is worth a thousand words IMO. Her 2 team mates are standing on the podium with their hands on their hearts. She is standing there sulking. She even comments in the article she was pi**ed they had the audacity to play that anthem while she was standing up there. I hope here coach and or whoever is in charge of our olympic athletes kicks her sorry ass of the team. She does not deserve to represent America. She has the right to her opinion but not at the expense of humiliating and embarrassing the entire US team. Which is exactly what she did, at least in my eyes she did.
I’m not saying this is true of MD per se, but most liberals don’t really subscribe to American pride and excellence, so the Olympics to them is about individual effort rather than country unity.
Half of America sees the world differently very differently than the other half.
The thing is, the Left will ultimately ruin the Olympics spirit, just as they ruin most other things. Americans will find alternative sports heroes to cheer. Nelly Korda is a great example of a person that Americans can happily cheer, and she will appreciate their support.
For the Olympics, the left will now pressure all blacks and wobbly whites to celebrate woke protests, and you will see a number of other athletes do what Gwen did, likely even worse (I can totally see one athlete burn the American flag, that protest that MD celebrates as uniquely American and something to laud).
And the decline of the Olympics, at least from an American perspective, will accelerate. The left are locusts, stripping all life from whatever they attack.
What is being overlooked here should be as plain as the nose on our faces. What is the goal of the US Olympic team besides winning medals? The games and the team are suppose to put American fannies in front of their TV sets to watch the games and support their favorite athletes. Unless this woman is given the boot, I won't watch one single second of the Olympics. I'm guessing and hoping that millions more of my fellow Americans join me in doing so. If this person can protest with no repercussions then Americans can protest as well by refusing to watch. I'm guessing that the TV executives of whatever network that is televising the games understand the possible problem they will have with ratings very well. There is nothing like having an athlete throw a live hand grenade into the middle of the audience you are trying to attract.
Full disclosure here, I normally would not watch very much of the Olympics. The decision to ignore the games completely was just made a whole lot easier.
This of course is the risk liberals take when pushing the envelope of America hatred. I hate cancel culture with passion, but my suspicion is many fewer viewers will tune in to American hating athletes who proudly wear their hatred on their sleeves.
People love sports. But normal Americans prefer the politics to be left behind. The left is not that. They want politics first.
It’ll be interesting to see how quickly Puma drops their sponsorship of Gwen when she fails to get into the final round let alone actually wins. She’s about the 40th ranked in the world for the hammer toss. Puma picks her over the two American gals who are better than she is, for the reasons that they think the jhu72’s of the world outnumber patriotic Americans. Bad bet.
Meanwhile, viewers like you will ignore the telly because of the growing ‘protests’ (errr, hatred of America).
Here’s a good bet. Over under on how many American athletes do what Gwen does? Will they even participate in an opening ceremony?
My guess is that the TV ratings will go righter down the crapper. It is difficult to me to understand how our country could screw up the Olympics... but it looks like we found a way.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:36 am
by jhu72
... more Americans (including me) will not watch than will -- JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER OLYMPICS! Interest in the Olympics is decreasing with younger generations, only the over 65 crowd views it as "almost must see" TV. In 20 years you will have to tune in on ESPN20 to get the results of the Olympics.
It is an honor to be chosen to represent your country. That honor should be treated by every athlete as such.
Jesus flipping’ cripes, the arrogance is comical. 
BTW, what is a nine inch nail? Do they fall in between an 8 penny nail and a 10 penny nail? I'm guessing they are as confused about standard nail measurements as they are about music. 