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Stupid comment - you know what I mean - glad you're counting Hopkins CTOs

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:19 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:02 am Yes. It was in the SUN. Everybody in the lacrosse universe has seen it.
Quint is apoplectic and rightfully so.
Carc's comments in the video were ridiculous. If the coach has had multiple conversations with the player and it isn't connecting, then he has the option to bench him. Enough said. He doesn't have the option to call him out in the press. Even professional coaches aren't dumb enough to do something that f******* stupid.
I liked Anish's comments. The coach benches the best player, then loses to Michigan. "That should never happen."
Right on brother.
It's time to write to the AD and express our concerns. This issue needs to be escalated, not swept under the rug

It was online in the Sun - you can't even see it unless you subscribe (I guess they let you look at a couple articles for free but then they are good at policing that) again let's not pretend this was on the front page of the New York Times
There is so much delusion here - it's hard to fathom- you're the guy that wanted to storm the Cordish Center and throw out Petro.

-The epstein "drama" did not start here. "Transformative class and fastest man in the game"started here w/a certain esteemed member.
-TF notes in the IL pod that the comments were made in the michigan post game media availability. Some have criticized me here for "complaining the school does not take an SEC approach to covering the program"and yet if the post game news conferences were posted as they have been in the past in their entirety I doubt this would still be a story.
-the TF podcast reinforces something that a lot of other stories I've read over the years about how the job of JH lacrosse coach also entails manning a 1-800 365/24/7 call in number for lacrosse and other alumni to call in and relieve themselves of their thoughts about the program.
-As part of his twin bromides QK thinks 4-12 players need to be babyed and that PM is "messing w/their psyche"-did he miss the 2020 campaign?

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:02 am I liked Anish's comments. The coach benches the best player, then loses to Michigan. "That should never happen."

I think the saddest part of all of this is that comment seems to imply that Anish and other professional lacrosse commentators perhaps think we'd have definitely 100% won the game if Epstein played an extra 10 minutes two weeks ago. It's a pretty delusional take that continues to buy into the kool aid of "this team is oozing top-tier talent all over the field and just needs to be properly motivated".

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:14 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:02 am I liked Anish's comments. The coach benches the best player, then loses to Michigan. "That should never happen."

I think the saddest part of all of this is that comment seems to imply that Anish and other professional lacrosse commentators perhaps think we'd have definitely 100% won the game if Epstein played an extra 10 minutes two weeks ago. It's a pretty delusional take that continues to buy into the kool aid of "this team is oozing top-tier talent all over the field and just needs to be properly motivated".

There was no one backing up shots in the game. Lots of possessions loss. Total disaster. At least Petro never lost to Michigan.
I fear we've gone from bad to worse here. Doubtful the right hire was made last year.

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:31 am

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:14 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:02 am I liked Anish's comments. The coach benches the best player, then loses to Michigan. "That should never happen."

I think the saddest part of all of this is that comment seems to imply that Anish and other professional lacrosse commentators perhaps think we'd have definitely 100% won the game if Epstein played an extra 10 minutes two weeks ago. It's a pretty delusional take that continues to buy into the kool aid of "this team is oozing top-tier talent all over the field and just needs to be properly motivated".

There was no one backing up shots in the game. Lots of possessions loss. Total disaster. At least Petro never lost to Michigan.
I fear we've gone from bad to worse here. Doubtful the right hire was made last year.

they shredded the staff w/out asking PM what his views were while taking the time to share the thoughts of "fans and alumni"-I guess that means reading this forum since I follow anish/carc on social media and they don't really get any hopkins interaction there.

molo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:48 pm Tambroni took over a PSU team that had a slightly less storied history than Hopkins or UVA. I don't think they had ever won an NCAAT game until he came along. They reached championship weekend two years ago in a season in which they were widely considered the best team in the country for many weeks. They entered this year regarded as a top five--or better==team until things went sideways.

I think Tambroni gets too much credit for winning two games in the post season back in 2019 (one of those wins was against a 7-9 UMBC squad). I would give nearly all of that credit to Grant Ament. Take away Ament's two season's (2017 and 2019) where he dominated at attack and Tambroni's record is 61-48 (55%) versus his predecessor Glenn Thiel at 236-186 (56%).

Tambroni went 8-7 in 2018 when Ament was injured and missed the season. He has been 7-8 over the last season and a half since he graduated.

If Petro had Grant Ament for four years, he'd probably still be on the sidelines at Homewood.

I just wanted to add to the page count on this thread.

Henpecked wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:47 am

molo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:48 pm Tambroni took over a PSU team that had a slightly less storied history than Hopkins or UVA. I don't think they had ever won an NCAAT game until he came along. They reached championship weekend two years ago in a season in which they were widely considered the best team in the country for many weeks. They entered this year regarded as a top five--or better==team until things went sideways.

I think Tambroni gets too much credit for winning two games in the post season back in 2019 (one of those wins was against a 7-9 UMBC squad). I would give nearly all of that credit to Grant Ament. Take away Ament's two season's (2017 and 2019) where he dominated at attack and Tambroni's record is 61-48 (55%) versus his predecessor Glenn Thiel at 236-186 (56%).

Tambroni went 8-7 in 2018 when Ament was injured and missed the season. He has been 7-8 over the last season and a half since he graduated.

If Petro had Grant Ament for four years, he'd probably still be on the sidelines at Homewood.

I just wanted to add to the page count on this thread.

Agree with Ament’s impact on PSU’s results. More than I thought he did/would. But you have to give Tambroni some credit for recruiting and keeping him, right? That’s a big part of the complaints here, not having the right personnel (ability level) at certain positions due to recruiting “misses”?

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:14 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:02 am I liked Anish's comments. The coach benches the best player, then loses to Michigan. "That should never happen."

I think the saddest part of all of this is that comment seems to imply that Anish and other professional lacrosse commentators perhaps think we'd have definitely 100% won the game if Epstein played an extra 10 minutes two weeks ago. It's a pretty delusional take that continues to buy into the kool aid of "this team is oozing top-tier talent all over the field and just needs to be properly motivated".

"We definitely 100% would have won" is indeed delusional hyperbole but it's not delusion to suggest the outcome of the game could have been different with him starting on attack. Butterfly effect and all that. Who knows how the complexion of the game would have changed with him in there from the beginning. Maybe it would have been worse (doubt that). But maybe we would have taken a lead into halftime instead of being down one. Maybe we play a better third quarter. The game was 11-10 with four minutes left to go in the 4th. That's a margin that very well could have been different if one of our best players had played more. Again—maybe not...but it's worth asking the question. We destroyed Michigan in the first meeting and of course they had never beaten us until this season. I think the talent differential is smaller than most of us would like to admit but I do think we are more talented. But when the gap isn't large it is a giant risk to remove one of your most talented players from the equation even partially and in a game that was decided by a goal or two, in retrospect I understand the impulse to say it had an effect.

Anywho, I'm hoping the team is not dwelling on this as much as we are/the lacrosse media is. If they have any hope whatsoever of finishing the season on a more positive note, they need to leave all this stuff behind them and move forward.

I mean really what this seems to come down to is the general notion amongst the holdouts here and I guess in the media too that "How could the vaunted Hopkins lacrosse lose to lowly Michigan? How could you let that happen as a coaching staff?" and this commentary is really trying to talk out of both sides of its mouth and living in the past.

If Hopkins lacrosse is so great right now and Michigan is still this up and coming trash tier program you absolutely shouldn't be losing to under any circumstance why do you even need your "best player" in the game at all to win? For the old timers and even not-so old timers the great Hopkins lacrosse tradition should be able to roll out the third string to play the full 60 and win the game going away right? Right? Is that not generally where you're trying to get back to as an "elite program".

That's not the reality we currently live in. We are not elite and Michigan is in fact not as lowly as they once were even. Give some credit to those guys and also understand that JHU losing to anyone and anything in almost any way is a possibility at the moment and it doesn't quite matter who is in the coaches box.

Henpecked wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:47 am

molo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:48 pm Tambroni took over a PSU team that had a slightly less storied history than Hopkins or UVA. I don't think they had ever won an NCAAT game until he came along. They reached championship weekend two years ago in a season in which they were widely considered the best team in the country for many weeks. They entered this year regarded as a top five--or better==team until things went sideways.

I think Tambroni gets too much credit for winning two games in the post season back in 2019 (one of those wins was against a 7-9 UMBC squad). I would give nearly all of that credit to Grant Ament. Take away Ament's two season's (2017 and 2019) where he dominated at attack and Tambroni's record is 61-48 (55%) versus his predecessor Glenn Thiel at 236-186 (56%).

Tambroni went 8-7 in 2018 when Ament was injured and missed the season. He has been 7-8 over the last season and a half since he graduated.

If Petro had Grant Ament for four years, he'd probably still be on the sidelines at Homewood.

I just wanted to add to the page count on this thread.

I mean, one of them was against a 7-9 UMBC squad because that's the privilege you get for being the #1 seed. You get an easier 1st round opponent. They got that because they were the best team in the country for 3 months

JHU is the only BIG school that had a coaching change in 2020 now into 2021. They also did not retain or acquire any significant 5th year players or grad transfers. Their lack of recruiting success and player development has been well documented on this site and elsewhere and lead to the leadership change. JHU and it’s fan base needs to recognize that it is no longer “elite” and needs to stop living in the past much like Navy fans keep looking for the Decade of Dominance to return. Unfortunately that may take 3-5 years of recruiting a different type of player (athletic, fast, mentally tough, lax smart) and then develop that into a team. They really don’t have much to build on other than hope and an old reputation. Can the current staff do that only time will tell.

If Petro had Ament - he probably would have been playing midfield

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:00 am Anywho, I'm hoping the team is not dwelling on this as much as we are/the lacrosse media is. If they have any hope whatsoever of finishing the season on a more positive note, they need to leave all this stuff behind them and move forward.

Unfortunately - I see little chance of this as the insular lacrosse sphere has firmly got this in its grasp. I think with all his new found fame - and he is a Canadian too - we should get Keith Morrison to do an episode on the Joey Epstein tragedy.

To my mind the difference in the Michigan games is simple - in the game at Ann Arbor - Hopkins put 21 shots on goal the goalie stopped 7. Michigan put 13 shots on goal the goalie stopped 6. In the Baltimore affair - Hopkins put 26 shots on goal the goalie saved 16. Michigan put 21 shots on goal the goalie stopped 8. In other words - even ignoring the empty netter - of the 7 extra shots on goal 5 scored (70%). So the Michigan goalie's save percentage went from 33 to 62 percent while the Hopkins goalies save percentage dropped about 10 points from just below 50 to 40. Everything else was relatively the same between the 2 games - face-offs, shots, clears, Michigan still had more turnovers etc. Now a reasonable argument can be put forth that with Epstein on the field 100% of the time - the Hopkins percentages change and the butterfly wing effect changes the outcome. Perfectly plausible to the contrary however is that he continued to press and replicate his 18% shot percentage of the previous 2 games and the butterfly wing effect exacerbates the outcome.

The reason Hopkins lost the Michigan game was 2 fold - Michigan improved its offensive execution and the Michigan goalie outplayed his counterpart by a large margin plain and simple.

Seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:05 am JHU and it’s fan base needs to recognize that it is no longer “elite” and needs to stop living in the past much like Navy fans keep looking for the Decade of Dominance to return.

Lol this is basically a composite of the hundreds—perhaps thousands—of posts saying the exact same things in the last few years.

We know. The majority of Hopkins alums and fans understand this reality. Point me to the overwhelming evidence that there are alums who a) think we ARE elite right now or b) think we SHOULD be elite right now, and you're not allowed to cite jhu06 as a source. Truly, who is living in the past besides him? We understand it's going to take time. It is possible to be frustrated with some recent developments and/or disagree with how certain things have been handled while at the same time acknowledge and appreciate that we are in the midst of a multi-year rebuild. There is a habit among many in the lacrosse community to take what one or two delusional Hopkins people say here or on other outlets and assume that is the Official Opinion of Hopkins alumni. It's not. In fact, it seems to me that most of the optimism about a near-future turnaround is coming from fans of other teams.

Seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:05 am JHU is the only BIG school that had a coaching change in 2020 now into 2021. They also did not retain or acquire any significant 5th year players or grad transfers. Their lack of recruiting success and player development has been well documented on this site and elsewhere and lead to the leadership change. JHU and it’s fan base needs to recognize that it is no longer “elite” and needs to stop living in the past much like Navy fans keep looking for the Decade of Dominance to return. Unfortunately that may take 3-5 years of recruiting a different type of player (athletic, fast, mentally tough, lax smart) and then develop that into a team. They really don’t have much to build on other than hope and an old reputation. Can the current staff do that only time will tell.

Hopkins IS still elite.........the obvious difference IS that so are 35-40 OTHER div. I teams.

at least Paul C. in that weird video "yard sale" was puzzled by Quints perterbedness about Hopkins losing to Michigan. "why, why" Paul C. kept asking....and was ignored. Q never answered....other than useless "laundry " talk.

So, ask here. Why is it surprising that Michigan could beat Hopkins, especially when a biz Quint K. works for, in$wag lacro$$e....ranks the very same Michigan recruits as "swell".

dudes.......should we value IL recruit rankings, or not

Seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:05 am JHU is the only BIG school that had a coaching change in 2020 now into 2021. They also did not retain or acquire any significant 5th year players or grad transfers. Their lack of recruiting success and player development has been well documented on this site and elsewhere and lead to the leadership change. JHU and it’s fan base needs to recognize that it is no longer “elite” and needs to stop living in the past much like Navy fans keep looking for the Decade of Dominance to return. Unfortunately that may take 3-5 years of recruiting a different type of player (athletic, fast, mentally tough, lax smart) and then develop that into a team. They really don’t have much to build on other than hope and an old reputation. Can the current staff do that only time will tell.

Don't the tv announcers always talk about how one of the Hopkins players is the fastest in ALL lacrosse......

so confused.......

and that Baltimore only, "lax IQ"

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:13 am If Petro had Ament - he probably would have been playing midfield

viscius .....love it.

but, I would go with ssd, due to Ament size

PM spoke the truth about Epstein.

And Epstein hasn’t done anything recently to earn latitude for taking plays off.

Playing him for 10 more minutes would not likely hbe changed much against UMich. Hopkins just isn’t real good right now.

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:14 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:02 am I liked Anish's comments. The coach benches the best player, then loses to Michigan. "That should never happen."

I think the saddest part of all of this is that comment seems to imply that Anish and other professional lacrosse commentators perhaps think we'd have definitely 100% won the game if Epstein played an extra 10 minutes two weeks ago. It's a pretty delusional take that continues to buy into the kool aid of "this team is oozing top-tier talent all over the field and just needs to be properly motivated".

Anish et al have a vested interest in perpetuating this narrative - it is the lacrosse media that anoints talent/recruits as "top-tier."

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:28 am PM spoke the truth about Epstein.

And Epstein hasn’t done anything recently to earn latitude for taking plays off.

Playing him for 10 more minutes would not likely hbe changed much against UMich. Hopkins just isn’t real good right now.

What plays is he taking off? He wasn’t benched for taking plays off he was benched because he wasn’t shooting well.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:28 am PM spoke the truth about Epstein.

On the heels of 3 for 16 shooting and 0 assists in the prior 2 games not many people could argue with
"He just needs to play a little better, I don't think he's been very consistent lately, and I don't think he's helping us enough. I think he's a very good player who - when he's playing well - is great."

The part that I think is setting everyone's hair on fire was the last little tidbit - "When he's not, it's really tough to struggle with him." I have a theory about what that might mean but I'll keep it to myself

The overall point is not the veracity of the comment but whether it should have been said at all. I absolutely agree with the statement - it is clear he didn't need to say it.