Orange Duce

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a fan wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:39 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:24 pm Starr had no choice. He was ready to close up shop when Isikoff showed up at his door with Tripp, Monica, the blue dress, & tapes of Slick Willie suborning perjury. Had Starr not followed through, he'd have read about it in Newsweek.
Nope. Outside his purview. Hand it off. Mueller did. Problem solved.
old salt wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:24 pm In Benghazi, our military & IC weren't weaponized. They were finally heard. We found out what really happened, & why, & took steps to prevent a re-occurrence.
Nonsense. They fixed it within a matter of weeks.....that was the military part. The "finally heard" part is the weaponization. There's NO WAY it lasted that long without Hillary being the target. No chance. You'll never agree on this point, so let's just agree to disagree.
old salt wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:24 pm Clinton was held accountable, for her decisions & her attempt to cover up
Yes. Agree with that, and it exposed her stupid server decision. She had it coming, you'll never get me to disagree with that point.

But that 4 year investigation, obviously, was a political attack that would NEVER have occurred if it was some unknown Sec of State. Instead, they would have hit Obama, and lost interest after a while because he wasn't up for reelection.
A Special Prosecutor can't ignore evidence like tapes of a President suborning perjury.
The Special Prosecutor law (since changed) required Starr to report his findings to Congress.
Blame Tripp & Goldberg, not Starr.
https://www.history.com/news/lewinsky-a ... inda-tripp

It was a year before the State Dept allowed our deputy chief of mission in Libya to testify,
...& (speaking of whistleblowers) that was a career ender for him.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/what-th ... ry-clinton
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old salt wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:54 pm
A Special Prosecutor can't ignore evidence like tapes of a President suborning perjury.
The Special Prosecutor law (since changed) required Starr to report his findings to Congress.
Blame Tripp & Goldberg, not Starr
Ah, you're right. I forgot about the change to the SP law.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:35 pm
ardilla secreta wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:39 pm Leaves are falling all around
It's time I was on my way
Thanks to you I'm much obliged
For such a pleasant stay
But now it's time for me to go
The autumn moon lights my way
For now I smell the rain
And with it pain
And it's headed my way
Ah, sometimes I grow so tired
But I know I've got one thing I got to do
Ramble on
And now's the time, the time is now
To sing my song....
Nice; the songs of my youth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-tT62bpYlU
I was watching the press conference live around 4:30 today. From the get-go he just started to ramble on and it made me think of this tune then the lyrics seemed timely. Oh boy.
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ardilla secreta wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:55 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:35 pm
ardilla secreta wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:39 pm Leaves are falling all around
It's time I was on my way
Thanks to you I'm much obliged
For such a pleasant stay
But now it's time for me to go
The autumn moon lights my way
For now I smell the rain
And with it pain
And it's headed my way
Ah, sometimes I grow so tired
But I know I've got one thing I got to do
Ramble on
And now's the time, the time is now
To sing my song....
Nice; the songs of my youth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-tT62bpYlU
I was watching the press conference live around 4:30 today. From the get-go he just started to ramble on and it made me think of this tune then the lyrics seemed timely. Oh boy.
The classic was Zelensky's flinch and his eyes going wide as Trump talked about how he hopes Zelensky can "work it out with Putin" and that he "knows he want to work it out". Frozen.
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Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:49 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:23 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:05 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:48 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:42 pm Donald Trump tried to coerce the President of Ukraine into smearing his political rival, using American military aid as his leverage.
Please quote the part where the Javelin requests were contingent on Crowdstrike intel?
Here you go ....

ZELENSKIY: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United  States for defense purposes.

TRUMP: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people ... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you are surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.


https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/White ... 466959.php

It’s obvious. Zelenskiy wants to buy more US military equipment and Trump immediately responds, “I would like you to do us a favor though ....”

Seriously, don’t ACT stupid. I know you are not.

That’s a documented quid pro quo. Sure, it’s mobster-style quid pro quo, but Trump is a mobster who happens to be president.

DocBarrister :?
No it is not. there must be a contingent element to it, there is none. Keep inserting your coins in the #whackamole game. ;) :lol:
Ok ... maybe you’re not acting. My mistake.

DocBarrister ;)
Perfect response!

:lol:
by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
This is cradle and shoot signing out.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:50 pm
ardilla secreta wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:55 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:35 pm
ardilla secreta wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:39 pm Leaves are falling all around
It's time I was on my way
Thanks to you I'm much obliged
For such a pleasant stay
But now it's time for me to go
The autumn moon lights my way
For now I smell the rain
And with it pain
And it's headed my way
Ah, sometimes I grow so tired
But I know I've got one thing I got to do
Ramble on
And now's the time, the time is now
To sing my song....
Nice; the songs of my youth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-tT62bpYlU
I was watching the press conference live around 4:30 today. From the get-go he just started to ramble on and it made me think of this tune then the lyrics seemed timely. Oh boy.
The classic was Zelensky's flinch and his eyes going wide as Trump talked about how he hopes Zelensky can "work it out with Putin" and that he "knows he want to work it out". Frozen.
+1
by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
This is cradle and shoot signing out.
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If you are reporting on the "favor" line from the transcript, without mentioning that the VERY next sentence is about wanting an investigation into meddling in the 2016 election...

...you are being misleading.

It's right here. Come on people, be honest.

I would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… the server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you and your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you said yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.
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Peter, think you have missed the point. MD and CU88 are talking about Zelensky's reaction to Orange Duce's comments in yesterday's joint press conference - not any transcript.
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jhu72 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:02 am Peter, think you have missed the point. MD and CU88 are talking about Zelensky's reaction to Orange Duce's comments in yesterday's joint press conference - not any transcript.
And poor Zelensky is between a rock and a hard place - Putin is trying to carve off portions of his country through war, and ultimately wants Ukraine back in the Russian orbit and Trump is playing hardball and now so openly (quite evident in yesterday's news conference even in spite of the revelations/allegations). It is clear from the now released whistleblower complaint that Zelensky knew that Trump was conditioning even talking with him on investigations of personal interest to Trump, and specifically to both probe VP Biden and his son, as well as a wild conspiracy theory involving the 2016 election. He also knows of Trump's fondness/groveling to Putin and so really has to be careful how he acts with our current President.
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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:02 am Peter, think you have missed the point. MD and CU88 are talking about Zelensky's reaction to Orange Duce's comments in yesterday's joint press conference - not any transcript.
And poor Zelensky is between a rock and a hard place - Putin is trying to carve off portions of his country through war, and ultimately wants Ukraine back in the Russian orbit and Trump is playing hardball and now so openly (quite evident in yesterday's news conference even in spite of the revelations/allegations). It is clear from the now released whistleblower complaint that Zelensky knew that Trump was conditioning even talking with him on investigations of personal interest to Trump, and specifically to both probe VP Biden and his son, as well as a wild conspiracy theory involving the 2016 election. He also knows of Trump's fondness/groveling to Putin and so really has to be careful how he acts with our current President.
Yup. All of this puts Zelensky in a difficult position back home. The one thing our POS president is correct about is that the raising of this affair in the US does give advantage to Putin. SFB should have thought of that before he decided to tell Zelensky that he wanted a bribe to release the missile sale.
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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:42 am If you are reporting on the "favor" line from the transcript, without mentioning that the VERY next sentence is about wanting an investigation into meddling in the 2016 election...

...you are being misleading.

It's right here. Come on people, be honest.
Honest question: why is a sitting President talking to a foreign leader about looking into the behavior of a political rival (Biden and his son)?

What does that have to do with the business of the American people.

Take your time. Come up with a reasonable answer as to why that's ok, and how that serves the American people.
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portrait of Donny Dunce (and so many of his supporters):

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RedFromMI wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:25 am
foreverlax wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:51 am
Bandito wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:49 am Nancy Pelosi just said she hasn't read the transcript yet ...

That's a full admission that she went for impeachment with ZERO facts.

The Democrat party is the enemy of the people.

Democrats are toast. They’re done. Adios Democrats. Good luck in 2020. Better find your safe spaces
There is no transcript to be read...just a memorandum.
A memo that likely has been further edited by the administration. That is also why the House needs to interview the whistleblower.

Also, the IG actually made a criminal referral to the DOJ based on the whistleblower complaint, that Justice declined to prosecute.

Bandito thinks it is over. It is just beginning...
What are you talking about ? They’ve investigated Trump and found nothing the last three years. Yet this newest investigation brought up dirt on Biden and his son! I love it. Dems can’t get out of their own way. Maybe try winning an election for once! The Dem party has no message except for impeach, World is coming to end due to climate change and give us all your money!!!

2020 is going to a glorious time to be a great American. A Democrat socialist cuck, not so much
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Bandito wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am
RedFromMI wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:25 am
foreverlax wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:51 am
Bandito wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:49 am Nancy Pelosi just said she hasn't read the transcript yet ...

That's a full admission that she went for impeachment with ZERO facts.

The Democrat party is the enemy of the people.

Democrats are toast. They’re done. Adios Democrats. Good luck in 2020. Better find your safe spaces
There is no transcript to be read...just a memorandum.
A memo that likely has been further edited by the administration. That is also why the House needs to interview the whistleblower.

Also, the IG actually made a criminal referral to the DOJ based on the whistleblower complaint, that Justice declined to prosecute.

Bandito thinks it is over. It is just beginning...
What are you talking about ? They’ve investigated Trump and found nothing the last three years. Yet this newest investigation brought up dirt on Biden and his son! I love it. Dems can’t get out of their own way. Maybe try winning an election for once! The Dem party has no message except for impeach, World is coming to end due to climate change and give us all your money!!!

2020 is going to a glorious time to be a great American. A Democrat socialist cuck, not so much
Oh, they found plenty...just not enough to indict, since Barr says you can't indict a POTUS and the Rs are too scared to stand up to Trump.
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foreverlax wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:58 am
Bandito wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am
RedFromMI wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:25 am
foreverlax wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:51 am
Bandito wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:49 am Nancy Pelosi just said she hasn't read the transcript yet ...

That's a full admission that she went for impeachment with ZERO facts.

The Democrat party is the enemy of the people.

Democrats are toast. They’re done. Adios Democrats. Good luck in 2020. Better find your safe spaces
There is no transcript to be read...just a memorandum.
A memo that likely has been further edited by the administration. That is also why the House needs to interview the whistleblower.

Also, the IG actually made a criminal referral to the DOJ based on the whistleblower complaint, that Justice declined to prosecute.

Bandito thinks it is over. It is just beginning...
What are you talking about ? They’ve investigated Trump and found nothing the last three years. Yet this newest investigation brought up dirt on Biden and his son! I love it. Dems can’t get out of their own way. Maybe try winning an election for once! The Dem party has no message except for impeach, World is coming to end due to climate change and give us all your money!!!

2020 is going to a glorious time to be a great American. A Democrat socialist cuck, not so much
Oh, they found plenty...just not enough to indict, since Barr says you can't indict a POTUS and the Rs are too scared to stand up to Trump.
They didn’t find anything. You really are brain dead

Btw:

Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff (CA) admits that his blatant fabrication of quotes from Trump's Ukraine call was "wrong" after he got called out

Schiff claims it was a "parody"

Impeachment is a politically polarizing event and Schiff thinks it's just a big joke

Absolutely unreal

Democrats are enemies of the people.
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Bandito wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:00 pmYou really are brain dead
Bandito, discuss issues, not post-ers.
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Bandito wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:00 pm
foreverlax wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:58 am
Bandito wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am
RedFromMI wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:25 am
foreverlax wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:51 am
Bandito wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:49 am Nancy Pelosi just said she hasn't read the transcript yet ...

That's a full admission that she went for impeachment with ZERO facts.

The Democrat party is the enemy of the people.

Democrats are toast. They’re done. Adios Democrats. Good luck in 2020. Better find your safe spaces
There is no transcript to be read...just a memorandum.
A memo that likely has been further edited by the administration. That is also why the House needs to interview the whistleblower.

Also, the IG actually made a criminal referral to the DOJ based on the whistleblower complaint, that Justice declined to prosecute.

Bandito thinks it is over. It is just beginning...
What are you talking about ? They’ve investigated Trump and found nothing the last three years. Yet this newest investigation brought up dirt on Biden and his son! I love it. Dems can’t get out of their own way. Maybe try winning an election for once! The Dem party has no message except for impeach, World is coming to end due to climate change and give us all your money!!!

2020 is going to a glorious time to be a great American. A Democrat socialist cuck, not so much
Oh, they found plenty...just not enough to indict, since Barr says you can't indict a POTUS and the Rs are too scared to stand up to Trump.
They didn’t find anything. You really are brain dead Could be ;)

Btw:

Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff (CA) admits that his blatant fabrication of quotes from Trump's Ukraine call was "wrong" after he got called out

Schiff claims it was a "parody"

Impeachment is a politically polarizing event and Schiff thinks it's just a big joke It is polarizing

Absolutely unreal

Democrats are enemies of the people.In your opinion...too bad you view the world this way.
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a fan wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:59 am
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:42 am If you are reporting on the "favor" line from the transcript, without mentioning that the VERY next sentence is about wanting an investigation into meddling in the 2016 election...

...you are being misleading.

It's right here. Come on people, be honest.
Honest question: why is a sitting President talking to a foreign leader about looking into the behavior of a political rival (Biden and his son)?

What does that have to do with the business of the American people.

Take your time. Come up with a reasonable answer as to why that's ok, and how that serves the American people.

Look, I am not defending the dude, but newsflash, a fan: politics is a super dirty sport. The difference with this guy (Trump) and all R's before him is, he seems to like to fight more than most (which seems to me to be what triggers the left). I don't think every thing the guy does including how his johnson hangs is worthy of impeachment, like what we are barraged with daily for the past 2.5 years.

I think Trump has many weaknesses, but one is (and I am sure you will howl with indignation, even though ftr I did not vote for the guy but am seriously considering doing so now) is he has significant thought pattern difficulty, like a Tourette's syndrome brain, jumping from topic to topic, sometimes word-vomiting before calibration.

So let's answer our question: is there a good reason to bring up Biden with the leader of Ukraine? Not really. I'd skip past any discussion of anything that did not benefit America. That's me. Trump is a strange dude. He fights like a dog. You may not like it, I may not like it, but all this projecting going on here with left-to-liberal lax fans comes back to this: most R's historically have avoided 'the fight', preferring to be seen as 'sensible'. That didn't work out too well for them as the country's politics veered more and more left. So they elected a fighter. You and others seem to go absolutely bananas with any possible reason to impeach the guy rather than focusing on what we as a country ought to be about, and that is voting.

I like Tulsi because she sounds reasonable, has attacked the war and prison industries (stains on our country that we will regret in the history books), and keeps the dialogue about winning at the ballot box. Every liberal comment about impeachment simply drives me further and further away from any other nominee. And every false media report of which there are simply too many to even list makes me question everything I read or hear. I posted the transcript so you could see how misleading the 'favor' topic was.
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jhu72 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:25 am
RedFromMI wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:02 am Peter, think you have missed the point. MD and CU88 are talking about Zelensky's reaction to Orange Duce's comments in yesterday's joint press conference - not any transcript.
And poor Zelensky is between a rock and a hard place - Putin is trying to carve off portions of his country through war, and ultimately wants Ukraine back in the Russian orbit and Trump is playing hardball and now so openly (quite evident in yesterday's news conference even in spite of the revelations/allegations). It is clear from the now released whistleblower complaint that Zelensky knew that Trump was conditioning even talking with him on investigations of personal interest to Trump, and specifically to both probe VP Biden and his son, as well as a wild conspiracy theory involving the 2016 election. He also knows of Trump's fondness/groveling to Putin and so really has to be careful how he acts with our current President.
Yup. All of this puts Zelensky in a difficult position back home. The one thing our POS president is correct about is that the raising of this affair in the US does give advantage to Putin. SFB should have thought of that before he decided to tell Zelensky that he wanted a bribe to release the missile sale.
Were there any Javelin "missiles" in this aid package ? I haven't seen reporting that they were included.

Ukraine received 210 Javelins & 37 launchers in Apr/May 2018.
Zelensky expressed a desire to purchase more.
I've found no reports of if/how many Javelins have been expended by Ukranian forces.
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