Re: The Mueller Report and Impeachment
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:03 am
Same Party, Different House
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A very reasonable post. Clapping hands emoji.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:57 pma fan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:40 pmYou mean all "none" of them? It's been 2 1/2 years, not one single conviction on anything. Maybe wait until someone is actually indicted before spewing this nonsense again?
Your old game of repeating speculation, pretending it's fact. More tin foil. More of your: the FBI has to follow the rules, but Trump's crew doesn't.
You already put your stake in the ground: breaking the law is ok. Too late to change your position now.
You're so completely full of it. You've been speculating for so freaking long that you've convinced yourself you know exactly what happened.
Has it occurred to you that it's quite possible, and even likely, that dozens and dozens of men and women did their patriotic duty, and one single, solitary high level administrator did all the leaking?
Naaahh. They're all guilty, and you know it. I say: Damn any actual evidence or indictments and just shoot them all. Someone has to learn it's not ok to do their freaking jobs.
FTR -- (& your peace of mind). I do not think there's some vast Deep State conspiracy. I think most career officials in the IC & DoJ are true to their oath & do not abuse their powers or access. Political appointees (including career officials in appointed positions) are another story. That's why IG oversight is valuable, even when non-punitive.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:03 pm “Agencies” . Moving the goalposts are we?
So you’re going to lump all leaking in with the NSA and FISA leaks, and hope I don’t notice, eh?
And what’s this you’re citing? Obama has 39 leaks per year on average?
That’s un-possible!!! We were told the Deep State only existed starting with Trump! No way were their leaks made by the Deep State every year Obama was in office!
Dude. You’re going to lose your secret decoder ring and lifetime supply of Deep State Brand tin foil if you keep this up.
Reminder: leaks only happened to Trump. He’s the only President in our history that had to deal with leaks of classified information. Only Trump had thousands of FBI and DoJ agents working together to bring him down. Get it together, my man! You’re going to lose your street Fred with Sean Hannity.![]()
Having said that -- I don't necessarily expect sweeping indictments, in large numbers.
I expect more of what we're seeing (so far) with the conduct & actions of Comey, McCabe, Strzok, & L Page.
...& I'll be reassured if their actions were examined & they were held to account,
without penalty or the further criminalization of politics.
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:09 am Not sure if anyone posted this yet (if so, sorry for the duplication):
https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... 4-18-0.pdf
It is long and very detailed; this from page 302, featuring the bête noire of the so-called conspirators against the President:
"We asked Strzok to respond to the accusation that this inaction on the Weiner laptop was a politically motivated attempt to bury information that could negatively impact the chances of Hillary Clinton in the election. Strzok responded:
'No, I’d say quite the opposite.... I think every act was taken with an objective reason to say, okay, here is why we did it, and why it was prioritized the way it was.... [The Midyear SSA] and [FBI Attorney 1] were the ones engaging with New York. You had agents and AUSAs up in New York who were involved in pursuing it, that ultimately, you know, we sat there, and we decided when we found out what was there that we needed to get the case and reopen the case. And if you want to pitch in the conspiracy perspective, everything we pushed to do, the Clinton side is going to say, what you did absolutely killed my chances at the election. So, you know, pick it. Which is your conspiracy?... t angers me because there is not, if there were bias, and there is not bias, if there were bias...it didn’t result in actions which would be indicative of bias.'"
https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2 ... ed-120409/
According to a November 19, 2016 Washington Post report, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper tried to get NSA director Admiral Mike Rogers fired. In a deliberately leaked memo, “senior officials” attacked Rogers’ abilities, questioned his leadership, and otherwise tainted his record.
As the WaPo reported it:
“The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.
The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.”
Why Clapper really wanted Rogers fired
The news reports treated Rogers with thinly disguised contempt. They blamed him for intelligence failings against ISIS and the leak of NSA cyber tools. They depicted the leaked memo as a legitimate and normal development. Nothing to see here, folks.
Barack Obama’s shadow government of coup plotters in exile
But there were deeper reasons for the sudden, public move by the now exposed “putsch” leaders, Clapper, Carter, and CIA Director John Brennan.
First, Donald Trump had just been elected President.
Second, the NSA chief had discovered and revealed to FISA Court Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer overwhelming evidence of sustained, illegal use of FISA 702 authority by Brennan and Clapper to employ NSA surveillance systems to spy on Americans. He then put an end to it. He testified about his findings to Judge Collyer on October 26, 2016, four days after Peter Strzok and Andrew Weissmann obtained a FISA warrant on Carter Page.
Briefing President-elect Trump without telling Clapper
Third, and most egregiously, Admiral Rogers had briefed President-elect Donald Trump in Trump Tower. He did it without telling Brennan or Clapper in advance. He told Trump in detail what he knew and what Trump was facing. (Behind the Obama administration’s shady plan to spy on the Trump campaign)
He informed Trump that Trump Tower was under surveillance. Rogers did his patriotic duty to the constitution.
In other words, he exposed the emerging coup de’ tat, waged by the Obama White House against the duly elected incoming president. No wonder Brennan was concerned.
The next day, Trump moved his transition headquarters from Trump Tower to Bedminster Country Club in New Jersey. When Brennan and Clapper learned of the private Rogers briefing, they panicked. They immediately launched counter measures.
The Ben Rhodes media manipulation smear machine kicked into overdrive against Rogers and Trump.
Triggering alarm bells in the Obama White House
As the Washington Post reported it exclusively, from their highly placed leaked sources:
“The news comes as Rogers is being considered by President-elect Donald Trump to be his nominee for director of national intelligence to replace Clapper as the official who oversees all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies. In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.”
The real threat was Brennan
The Post article suggests that Rogers violated the chain of command and overstepped his authority. He was a loose cannon trying to curry favor with the new president. The truth was worse.
Rogers was going to tell the truth.
Durham has questions for Brennan, NSA’s Mike Rogers has the answers
Rogers was a threat to the very core of the Obama White House. He had already exposed the secret of illegal NSA surveillance to the FISA Court. He had Already briefed the target of the coup, Donald Trump.
He couldn’t tell Brennan and Clapper what he was doing in advance. They were the criminals perpetrating the very actions he was warning Trump about. Rogers, who retired in 2018 after four years at the helm of the NSA, was following his duty to the country as an American.
Smearing Rogers in the press
The timing is just too coincidental for this to be a typical turf fight, though that is just how the Washington Post portrays it. The Post got the exclusive because of their close relationship with the very officials who laid the groundwork for the Russia hoax, Brennan and Clapper. These are the men who leaked the Steele dossier all over Washington and who spread leaks about Michael Flynn.
Now they had Admiral Rogers in their sights.
Rogers was a mortal threat to the perpetrators of the attempted coup against Trump. He remains a mortal threat to Brennan, Clapper, former FBI Director James Comey, and many others. The attempt to fire Rogers so close to Trump’s election, so soon after they knew of their FISA court exposure, leaves no other explanation.
Rogers had to be taken out of the way.
The crux of the Russia hoax: Covering up illegal spying on Americans
For at least four years, the Obama White House had been illegally using FISA 702 authority to access NSA surveillance systems to spy on American citizens. Comey had personally authorized the illegal surveillance by three contractors working directly for Clapper and Brennan.
In late 2015, Rogers became aware of the illegal protocols they were using to access the NSA systems. He ordered a preliminary audit and cut off access to the three contractors in April, 2016. He then ordered a complete audit.
In October, 2016 Rogers presented the findings to FISA Court Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer.
NSA Director Rogers Disclosed FISA Abuse Days After Page Warrant Was Issued
On March 9, 2016, Department of Justice (DOJ) oversight personnel learned that the FBI had been employing outside contractors who had access to raw Section 702 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) data, and retained that access after their work for the FBI was completed.
The ruling of the FISA Court: Illegal surveillance was systematic and large-scale
Rogers found, with Collyer agreeing, that the illegal use of NSA systems began no later than 2012. It continued for at least four years. In her ruling to the Attorney General in April of 2017, Collyer found that of 40,000 queries into the NSA data base, 85 percent, or 32,500, of them were illegal and unauthorized.
Judge Collyer ruled that there were systematic violations of the law and the Fourth Amendment, as well as the civil rights of every American illegally spied on. Every one of the 32,500 illegal inquiries was an intentional criminal act.
She found that the three contractors frequently used the same names in multiple queries. They had spied on thousands of prominent Americans. They did so illegally, consistently, and for extended periods of time.
Collyer found that they reported directly to Brennan and Clapper. She confirmed that the authorization was illegal, and that FBI Director Comey was behind its authorization. She described the actions and conduct of the DOJ in this matter as “institutional dishonesty”.
The “eyes only” Brennan memos
Brennan took the fruits of the illegal surveillance and compiled “eyes only” briefings for President Obama. Obama received them in sealed envelopes. The materials excluded from regular national intelligence briefings.
The briefings were regular reports on the Americans who were illegally spied on. These certainly included Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Chief Justice John Roberts, Antonin Scalia. There were journalists. And there was Donald Trump.
That is the dirty secret behind the Steele dossier and the framing of George Papadopoulos by Brennan and agents of Italian, Australian and British Intelligence. It is the source of the illegal FISA warrants on Carter Page and the Andrew Weissman – Peter Strzok “insurance policy.”
It is the basis of the entire Mueller inquisition.
It was all necessary to hide the illegal activities of the Obama White House, the overt weaponization of government agencies against political opponents and the flagrant abuse of NSA surveillance systems to illegally spy on Americans.
Admiral Mike Rogers: American Hero
Thats why they had to try to fire Mike Rogers. He was the man who knew too much.
Rogers played his role with integrity. He is the good guy in this whole sordid story. He’s the man who moved to save America when he reported what he knew to the FISA Court.
Rogers has testified to Inspector General Michael Horowitz. He will certainly meet with U.S. Attorney John Durham as Durham’s investigation into the
Russia Hoax expands.
John Durham is probing “unauthorized” and “political surveillance”
Durham is looking at it all: The NSA surveillance abuse; the use of the Steele dossier to obtain FISA warrants and in the John Brennan / Peter Strzok Intelligence Community Assessment of October 2016; the use of Foreign intelligence agencies to spy on the Trump campaign.
Brennan’s “eyes only” briefings for President Obama will come under scrutiny, as will the actions of Susan Rice, Ben Rhodes, Valerie Jarrett and other putsch planners in the White House.
Durham will look into all of it. Admiral Mike Rogers, American hero, will be an essential witness as the truth finally comes out. His testimony will be central when justice is finally served to the coup plotters.
I'd go further: permanent oversight from another branch of government.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:57 pm
FTR -- (& your peace of mind). I do not think there's some vast Deep State conspiracy. I think most career officials in the IC & DoJ are true to their oath & do not abuse their powers or access. Political appointees (including career officials in appointed positions) are another story. That's why IG oversight is valuable, even when non-punitive.
Of all the folks I've read about, Strzok and the "Missus" are in the clear, and did nothing wrong. It's legal to hate Trump. I'm sure far greater numbers couldn't stand Obama.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:57 pm Having said that -- I don't necessarily expect sweeping indictments, in large numbers.
I expect more of what we're seeing (so far) with the conduct & actions of Comey, McCabe, Strzok, & L Page.
...& I'll be reassured if their actions were examined & they were held to account,
without penalty or the further criminalization of politics.
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:50 pm OK. You ran Ratcliffe off. Well Stand the F by.
You want experience. Bring back retired Adm Mike Rogers. He has the intel experience, ...& he knows where the IC bodies are buried.
Clapper & Brennan tried to frag him like they did Flynn, but he outsmarted them.
He was Trump's first choice for DNI anyway.
LP veterans may recall when Flynn entered the campaign, I predicted we would see the war within the IC.
We're seeing it play out now. The rats are running for cover & the MSM flacks they leaked to are providing cover.
Before MDLF76 tries to dismiss this as a right wing blog, look at how all the puzzle pieces now fit together.
...& remember 3 years ago when I warned you what was happening.
The media ran that liar off.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:03 pmold salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:50 pm OK. You ran Ratcliffe off. Well Stand the F by.
You want experience. Bring back retired Adm Mike Rogers. He has the intel experience, ...& he knows where the IC bodies are buried.
Clapper & Brennan tried to frag him like they did Flynn, but he outsmarted them.
He was Trump's first choice for DNI anyway.
LP veterans may recall when Flynn entered the campaign, I predicted we would see the war within the IC.
We're seeing it play out now. The rats are running for cover & the MSM flacks they leaked to are providing cover.
Before MDLF76 tries to dismiss this as a right wing blog, look at how all the puzzle pieces now fit together.
...& remember 3 years ago when I warned you what was happening.
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Yup, a ridiculously extreme right blog.
Used to be part of the Washington Times, which itself is hard right but spun off and went way out on the conspiracy theory wing.
Won't disclose ownership.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/communit ... ital-news/
Overall, we rate Communities Digital News Right Biased based on story selection that always favors the Right and Mixed factually due to promotion of conspiracy theories and very poor sourcing.
I rate it: BOGUS RIGHT EXTREME
not as bad as Infowars, but approaching.
Here's some info on the war within the IC & the part Adm Mike Roger's has played :MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:23 pm Is this the sort of thing that got Mike Rogers nixed by Trump the first go round?
Rogers, who retired in 2018, put this belief in accountability in practice after a serious situation arose and President Obama needed to be notified. He said he gathered in the White House situation room with the National Security team, cabinet members, the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the President. Rogers told them the situation had “significant” implications for the country and “quite frankly, we have failed.”
Rogers told the room he was willing to step down to restore the nation’s confidence in the mission. But in “one of the greatest lessons in leadership I ever saw, [President Obama] stops me for a minute and he says, ‘Admiral, let there be no doubt in your mind, I have the ultimate accountability.’ And I just thought to myself, ‘That is a leader. That is someone who understands [that] you’re there when things are going well, and when things aren’t going so well, you stand up and take a round for your team.”
“You could never be a leader without being accountable.”
This evening Hurd said it was unfortunate -- that his friend & fellow Intel Comm member Ratcliffe would have made a good DNI,
Ratcliffe was as qualified as Coats for the DNI job. He just wasn't part of the Senate old boys club.
Good lord, you actually think the Rat was remotely qualified???old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:39 pmThis evening Hurd said it was unfortunate -- that his friend & fellow Intel Comm member Ratcliffe would have made a good DNI,
...but then what does Hurd know ?Ratcliffe was as qualified as Coats for the DNI job. He just wasn't part of the Senate old boys club.
He was stigmatized as a FNC defender of Trump. He became a pinata for the anti-Trump NBC/ABC/WP/NYT MSM as soon as he defended Trump during the Mueller hearing. Dead man walking -- he didn't even survive to the yearbook search phase.
Here's some depth on Ratcliffe's involvement with the Holy Land case & his anti-terrorism experience as a US Attorney :
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/donald- ... orism-case
https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/30/fo ... tion-case/
We haven't heard the last from Ratcliffe. When the House holds hearings on the IG & DoJ investigations of the investigators, he'll be the leading (R) prosecutor.
I never realized so many people find lying no big deal. No wonder our kids have the problems they do.old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:39 pmThis evening Hurd said it was unfortunate -- that his friend & fellow Intel Comm member Ratcliffe would have made a good DNI,
...but then what does Hurd know ?Ratcliffe was as qualified as Coats for the DNI job. He just wasn't part of the Senate old boys club.
He was stigmatized as a FNC defender of Trump. He became a pinata for the anti-Trump NBC/ABC/WP/NYT MSM as soon as he defended Trump during the Mueller hearing. Dead man walking -- he didn't even survive to the yearbook search phase.
Here's some depth on Ratcliffe's involvement with the Holy Land case & his anti-terrorism experience as a US Attorney :
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/donald- ... orism-case
https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/30/fo ... tion-case/
We haven't heard the last from Ratcliffe. When the House holds hearings on the IG & DoJ investigations of the investigators, he'll be the leading (R) prosecutor.
THREE sides to every story their Dartmouth Lax of Baltimore. fact check the fact checkers, and then check THEM out.![]()
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Yup, a ridiculously extreme right blog.
Used to be part of the Washington Times, which itself is hard right but spun off and went way out on the conspiracy theory wing.
Won't disclose ownership.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/communit ... ital-news/
Overall, we rate Communities Digital News Right Biased based on story selection that always favors the Right and Mixed factually due to promotion of conspiracy theories and very poor sourcing.
I rate it: BOGUS RIGHT EXTREME
not as bad as Infowars, but approaching.