HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:35 pm
Re: H. Chauvette as a middie. No he is not going to blow by you with speed or strength but not every middie needs to and in today's game I see no reason why he can't run out of the box for some reps provided he's out there alongside some more traditional "midfielders." If his older brother could do it (we probably lose the St. Joe's game without him, BTW) then he can too. I feel like we're so scarred from the years of the "munchkin middies" when entire lines were comprised of converted attackmen that there may be some overcorrection going on. It's fine to throw an attackman or two onto your midfield if you're smart about how you do it.
Ryan Brown was a pure shooter and he started out playing midfield and EMO as a frosh.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:27 am
by shaadb-man
I don't see Collison moving to ATT. As an outsider to me the midfield is what separates JHU from the top and keeping Collison with Grimes and Peshko is much more similar to what is needed to make that next step. If Grimes takes another step forward that becomes an elite 1st line even. I think Hunter c slides into the lefty spot and sorechetti plays emo. Lots of skill on the offensive side I think as a program the next thing to do is add some some dynamic athleticism.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:20 am
by 51percentcorn
Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:20 am
Ryan Brown was a pure shooter and he started out playing midfield and EMO as a frosh.
Completely different players. Brown was bigger - 190 lbs by his junior year and could shoot with both hands which made him more dangerous in the middle or higher up on the field. Also Brown's freshman year was 2013 - the season of mess - Greeley comining off second ACL tear -the rolling suspensions - mid-fielders were in short supply - Ranagan the leading scorer from the mid-field with 23 points - Brown had the most goals with 17.
So completely different circumstances. Chauvette - while maybe taller than his brother is still a pretty slight frame. Hopkins is not combing the Gilman quad for middies, they have plenty. Go look at Chauvette's senior year highlight video - highlight videos suck for the most part - but this one carries a little information - 90+% of his goals come from the exact same spot on the field and 80+% of his goals come from the exact same shot - a low to high riser that the goalie has no idea what corner it's heading for. It appears he would rather have his teeth drilled than put the stick in his right hand. He's a left handed attack shooter - that's what he is - he may be one of the best - let's give him the ball.
So I am not scarred on attackmen playing mid-field. But just because someone plays offense doesn't mean they can easily slide into one or the other. Brandon Benn - for example - NOT a middie. Kyle Wharton - NOT a middie. Coppersmith - NOT an attackman. Connor Reed - NOT an attackman.
Keogh - ill served by 100% at middie. Peshko - probably not an attackman. Melendez is an example of someone with the athleticism/overall field skills where you say - yeah he can play almost anywhere. Angelus had some success at middie but I think last year demonstrated where his true value lies.
Degnon is the wild card in all this - St. Anthony helps out in that situation - and he's back - well then Hunter's got a tougher road to playing time - even on EMO. We'll see
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:00 pm
by Sagittarius A*
shaadb-man wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:27 am
I don't see Collison moving to ATT. As an outsider to me the midfield is what separates JHU from the top and keeping Collison with Grimes and Peshko is much more similar to what is needed to make that next step. If Grimes takes another step forward that becomes an elite 1st line even. I think Hunter c slides into the lefty spot and sorechetti plays emo. Lots of skill on the offensive side I think as a program the next thing to do is add some some dynamic athleticism.
This lineup could work and obviously we're jumping the gun here on a lot things, but it will come down to who does what in practice and who works best together in the end.
Great middies like Del Dressel or Joel Tinney were beasts on groundballs and between the lines. They had speed in transition and were both great off the wings on the draw. The play between the lines was just off the charts so you would never move them to attack without losing a ton.
I don't see Collison as a dominant ground ball-between-the-lines player and I think you could safely move him to attack. Didn't he play attack in HS? The offense runs primarily through Angelus and Melendez so it's important to surround them with the best finishers possible, where ever they line up.
Still a little worried about faceoffs.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:17 pm
by HopFan16
New 2024 commit David Disque, big lefty middie from Syosset with a hockey background. Sounds like he plans to do a PG year somewhere and will end up in the 2025 class.
Back to Chauvette, Ryan Brown was one of the best shooters this sport has ever seen, and he could do it with both hands from all over the field. Doesn't really make sense to use him as an example for anybody.
Still think it's fine if HC comes in through the box as a "midfielder," if that's ultimately the decision. You can still plop him right on the wing where he's comfortable. Just because he's subbing on doesn't mean he has to play out of position. When he's on the field maybe you swing Melendez up top for more field balance, or if Sorichetti's already out there you move him to the high crease. There's a lot of things they can do. One of Crawley's strengths as a coordinator this season was spacing. Really liked how we'd spread the field. The goal is to get your best players on the field in positions to succeed which I think PM and Crawley are fully capable of doing.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:43 pm
by coda
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:17 pm
New 2024 commit David Disque, big lefty middie from Syosset with a hockey background. Sounds like he plans to do a PG year somewhere and will end up in the 2025 class.
Back to Chauvette, Ryan Brown was one of the best shooters this sport has ever seen, and he could do it with both hands from all over the field. Doesn't really make sense to use him as an example for anybody.
Still think it's fine if HC comes in through the box as a "midfielder," if that's ultimately the decision. You can still plop him right on the wing where he's comfortable. Just because he's subbing on doesn't mean he has to play out of position. When he's on the field maybe you swing Melendez up top for more field balance, or if Sorichetti's already out there you move him to the high crease. There's a lot of things they can do. One of Crawley's strengths as a coordinator this season was spacing. Really liked how we'd spread the field. The goal is to get your best players on the field in positions to succeed which I think PM and Crawley are fully capable of doing.
To be fair, you can play people anywhere with a solid plan. I just do not see the it as a strength. Lacking the size, athleticism, an passing acumen to make that a good fit up top. Strength is more as a lefty mid-range shooter. The last you thing you want is him stuck on defense. The question will be is that one skill enough to force him into the line up and overlook the weaknesses. My comp for him has always been a young Mac O'Keefe (less range at the moment, but that can be fixed with time)
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:22 pm
by 10stone5
Collison’s St Michael College entry cited Collison as being recruited to Hopkins as a midfielder.
On Team Canada’s U19 field team, Collison would play two way midfield, because of their short roster they kept Collison back on defense using his size and also took advantage of Collison’s ability to handle the one man clear.
Collison had 80 shots last year, over 30% shooting percent - versus Degnon’s 116 shots, 3rd most on the team.
Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:20 am
Ryan Brown was a pure shooter and he started out playing midfield and EMO as a frosh.
Completely different players. Brown was bigger - 190 lbs by his junior year and could shoot with both hands which made him more dangerous in the middle or higher up on the field. Also Brown's freshman year was 2013 - the season of mess - Greeley comining off second ACL tear -the rolling suspensions - mid-fielders were in short supply - Ranagan the leading scorer from the mid-field with 23 points - Brown had the most goals with 17.
So completely different circumstances. Chauvette - while maybe taller than his brother is still a pretty slight frame. Hopkins is not combing the Gilman quad for middies, they have plenty. Go look at Chauvette's senior year highlight video - highlight videos suck for the most part - but this one carries a little information - 90+% of his goals come from the exact same spot on the field and 80+% of his goals come from the exact same shot - a low to high riser that the goalie has no idea what corner it's heading for. It appears he would rather have his teeth drilled than put the stick in his right hand. He's a left handed attack shooter - that's what he is - he may be one of the best - let's give him the ball.
So I am not scarred on attackmen playing mid-field. But just because someone plays offense doesn't mean they can easily slide into one or the other. Brandon Benn - for example - NOT a middie. Kyle Wharton - NOT a middie. Coppersmith - NOT an attackman. Connor Reed - NOT an attackman.
Keogh - ill served by 100% at middie. Peshko - probably not an attackman. Melendez is an example of someone with the athleticism/overall field skills where you say - yeah he can play almost anywhere. Angelus had some success at middie but I think last year demonstrated where his true value lies.
Degnon is the wild card in all this - St. Anthony helps out in that situation - and he's back - well then Hunter's got a tougher road to playing time - even on EMO. We'll see
Could Marquis get some playing time at middie?
Through the wayback machine, didn’t Jake Byrne play middie his freshman year?
DocBarrister
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:57 pm
by HopFan16
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:44 pm
Could Marquis get some playing time at middie?
Through the wayback machine, didn’t Jake Byrne play middie his freshman year?
DocBarrister
He did. Barrie, Ford, and LeSueur (whose son is a highly ranked 2025 recruit) were the attack trio that year.
If you've watched Marquis play box this summer you'd know he can play midfield if necessary. Ideally attack but if you want to get him on the field he can run as a middie. Tough as nails and deceptively athletic. Can probably afford to put on 10 pounds but you can say that about a lot of kids.
If they can't figure out a role for a dude who has 137 points (and counting) and is the best player for what could end up being the best OJLL team of all time...that's a failure of imagination IMO. Doesn't mean he has to start on attack ('25 looks a lot more likely than '24 for that) but, again, there are other ways.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:44 pm
Could Marquis get some playing time at middie?
Through the wayback machine, didn’t Jake Byrne play middie his freshman year?
DocBarrister
He did. Barrie, Ford, and LeSueur (whose son is a highly ranked 2025 recruit) were the attack trio that year.
If you've watched Marquis play box this summer you'd know he can play midfield if necessary. Ideally attack but if you want to get him on the field he can run as a middie. Tough as nails and deceptively athletic. Can probably afford to put on 10 pounds but you can say that about a lot of kids.
If they can't figure out a role for a dude who has 137 points (and counting) and is the best player for what could end up being the best OJLL team of all time...that's a failure of imagination IMO. Doesn't mean he has to start on attack ('25 looks a lot more likely than '24 for that) but, again, there are other ways.
I agree regarding Marquis … they need to find him substantial playing time on the field … no matter what it takes. He’s got some wicked stick skills.
Good on gbs, CTs, and transition. What’s not to like? Hope to see another LeSueur from Garden City at Homewood!
DocBarrister
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:20 pm
by Hopfan
Minor correction: Luke is a promising recruit but his dad is Paul, not Peter. Paul was no slouch as a ssdm and captain on the 2000 Final 4 team.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:19 am
by DocBarrister
Hopfan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:20 pm
Minor correction: Luke is a promising recruit but his dad is Paul, not Peter. Paul was no slouch as a ssdm and captain on the 2000 Final 4 team.
Fine! We’ll take as many LeSueurs as the extended family can send to Homewood!
DocBarrister
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:42 am
by jhu06
Hopfan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:20 pm
Minor correction: Luke is a promising recruit but his dad is Paul, not Peter. Paul was no slouch as a ssdm and captain on the 2000 Final 4 team.
how much of an advantage is that in recruiting to have a kid whose parent or coach played at Hopkins? Do we automatically get consideration and does the kid value that more than $ or other factors another school offers?
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:04 pm
by 51percentcorn
You like asking questions that can't really be answered. The answer is - it depends - and changes from one families situation to the next. In general - one would think that being a Hopkins legacy to a dad that also played gets the player to respond to a coaches' e-mail/text/or call. IMO - never underestimate the power of the almighty dollar and the value of where your dad played is again a highly variable component in a young man's thinking. This fall there's a highly ranked legacy - one of the highest in recent memory. That will be a an interesting case. We did not get Ryan Tucker - dad was an AA and title winner - mom of course was Janine. We did not get the Morrill kid. I do not wish to resusitate the debate but I think it is fair to say that it was not a lead pipe lock the twins were coming if pops had continued coaching uninterrupted. So it depends
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:26 pm
by HopFan16
The '25 class rankings don't come out for awhile but I would be surprised if Josh Marcus isn't the top goalie in the class and a top 10 player overall when all is said and done. It goes without saying he will have his pick of schools but we'll be in the mix.
We knew this already but the team has now posted an official "He's coming back" video for Angelus. Would expect to see the same for Szuluk and Jaronski soon. And apparently the jury is still out on Hawley/Degnon.
10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:22 pm
Collison’s St Michael College entry cited Collison as being recruited to Hopkins as a midfielder.
On Team Canada’s U19 field team, Collison would play two way midfield, because of their short roster they kept Collison back on defense using his size and also took advantage of Collison’s ability to handle the one man clear.
Collison had 80 shots last year, over 30% shooting percent - versus Degnon’s 116 shots, 3rd most on the team.
On the initisl roster at JHU he was listed at A and changed to M later
Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:56 pm
by 10stone5
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:43 pm
Somewhat interesting to me that they have not posted a goodbye to Jack Hawley. It's been two weeks since the last one. Anyone know anything?
If he wanted another year his case would be more straightforward than Degnon's, given he missed all of '21 with an injury.
Senior All-America roster is out. Sorichetti on the North team, Kilrain and Chauvette on the South. 8pm on 7/29 on ESPNU from Homewood. Still a travesty that Ayers wasn't selected but what can ya do.
Philly Lacrosse posted the All-America Lacrosse Senior Games roster, Homewood Field, July 29,
51percentcorn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:04 pm
You like asking questions that can't really be answered. The answer is - it depends - and changes from one families situation to the next. In general - one would think that being a Hopkins legacy to a dad that also played gets the player to respond to a coaches' e-mail/text/or call. IMO - never underestimate the power of the almighty dollar and the value of where your dad played is again a highly variable component in a young man's thinking. This fall there's a highly ranked legacy - one of the highest in recent memory. That will be a an interesting case. We did not get Ryan Tucker - dad was an AA and title winner - mom of course was Janine. We did not get the Morrill kid. I do not wish to resusitate the debate but I think it is fair to say that it was not a lead pipe lock the twins were coming if pops had continued coaching uninterrupted. So it depends
We did get Evans. Second generation but still a family legacy. You never know and lots of factors to consider especially with tuition and the job market what it is these days.
