https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Remember The Ferguson!
Hands up. Don't shoot. Big Mike was just an innocent kid. Burn the b!tch down !
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Remember The Ferguson!
Hands up. Don't shoot. Big Mike was just an innocent kid. Burn the b!tch down !
Big Mike is dead too!!
Remember The Ferguson!!
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
Based upon that information, the judge has done the right thing by revoking his bail which he violated and remanding him to custody. No idea why you have questions about it.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
I didn't miss anything. The Judge's words were in one of the CNN articles &/or a WP report I saw.
As I posted, Robertson had been free on bond for the Jan 6 alleged violations, until the gun charges.
The word "felony" does not appear in the indictment you linked. Were those felony charges ?
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you. You can also read about others charged.
Hah! I'm plenty calm. That's another one of your cute bits: treat everyone like they are hysterical. The only thing that hurts is guys like you supporting criminals like Flynn and positing a different "reasonable" explanation for a bunch of criminals storming the Capitol and injuring Capitol cops.
Too bad you don't want to know more information before passing judgement. The legal system you work in does not function that way.
Did Robertson "storm the Capitol" ? Did Robertson hurt any cops ? Did MDLF76's brother-in-law ?
I don't need more information...exactly because I trust that the adversarial process, and the evaluation of the evidence will result in a proper disposition. Right now, the criminal defendants are soft-peddling their actions -- "Jeez, we were invited in, and took some fun pictures; what's the harm...." At this point, I find those little anecdotes to be less than credible.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
Based upon that information, the judge has done the right thing by revoking his bail which he violated and remanding him to custody. No idea why you have questions about it.
Who's questioning the Judge revoking his bail & remanding him to custody for the gun charges ?
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you. You can also read about others charged.
Hah! I'm plenty calm. That's another one of your cute bits: treat everyone like they are hysterical. The only thing that hurts is guys like you supporting criminals like Flynn and positing a different "reasonable" explanation for a bunch of criminals storming the Capitol and injuring Capitol cops.
Too bad you don't want to know more information before passing judgement. The legal system you work in does not function that way.
Did Robertson "storm the Capitol" ? Did Robertson hurt any cops ? Did MDLF76's brother-in-law ?
I don't need more information...exactly because I trust that the adversarial process, and the evaluation of the evidence will result in a proper disposition. Right now, the criminal defendants are soft-peddling their actions -- "Jeez, we were invited in, and took some fun pictures; what's the harm...." At this point, I find those little anecdotes to be less than credible.
Come on Mr Coaster. I'm not a lawyer like yourself but I understand how any good defence lawyer earns his/her fee. You muddy the waters and create what you as a lawyer would refer to as "reasonable doubt" you would certainly do the same thing for any client you were defending.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
I didn't miss anything. The Judge's words were in one of the CNN articles &/or a WP report I saw.
As I posted, Robertson had been free on bond for the Jan 6 alleged violations, until the gun charges.
The word "felony" does not appear in the indictment you linked. Were those felony charges ?
Obstruction of an Official Proceeding 18 U.S.C. 512/513 is a felony charge.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
I didn't miss anything. The Judge's words were in one of the CNN articles &/or a WP report I saw.
As I posted, Robertson had been free on bond for the Jan 6 alleged violations, until the gun charges.
The word "felony" does not appear in the indictment you linked. Were those felony charges ?
Obstruction of an Official Proceeding 18 U.S.C. 513 is a felony charge.
Thank you. I subsequently noted "felony" irt the obstruction count in the final para of the The Roanoke Times article you linked.
Apparently the other two Jan 6th offenses are misdemeanors.
I don't know the elements of the Obstruction charge, or the other counts, one of which includes "intent".
What did they do to obstruct the proceedings ? Is everyone who entered the Capitol on Jan 6th being charged with felony obstruction ?
All we know from the reporting is that they were inside the Capitol ?
Did they confront any police officers ? Not comply with any police instructions ? Were the barricades down & the doors open by the time they entered.
Obviously, Robertsons rhetoric & actions since Jan 6th will not help his defense.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
I didn't miss anything. The Judge's words were in one of the CNN articles &/or a WP report I saw.
As I posted, Robertson had been free on bond for the Jan 6 alleged violations, until the gun charges.
The word "felony" does not appear in the indictment you linked. Were those felony charges ?
Obstruction of an Official Proceeding 18 U.S.C. 513 is a felony charge.
Thank you. I subsequently noted "felony" irt the obstruction count in the final para of the The Roanoke Times article you linked.
Apparently the other two Jan 6th offenses are misdemeanors.
I don't know the elements of the Obstruction charge, or the other counts, one of which includes "intent".
What did they do to obstruct the proceedings ? Is everyone who entered the Capitol on Jan 6th being charged with felony obstruction ?
All we know from the reporting is that they were inside the Capitol ?
Did they confront any police officers ? Not comply with any police instructions ? Were the barricades down & the doors open by the time they entered.
Obviously, Robertsons rhetoric & actions since Jan 6th will not help his defense.
Process crimes. The only criminal is the cop that shot the woman.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
I didn't miss anything. The Judge's words were in one of the CNN articles &/or a WP report I saw.
As I posted, Robertson had been free on bond for the Jan 6 alleged violations, until the gun charges.
The word "felony" does not appear in the indictment you linked. Were those felony charges ?
Obstruction of an Official Proceeding 18 U.S.C. 513 is a felony charge.
Thank you. I subsequently noted "felony" irt the obstruction count in the final para of the The Roanoke Times article you linked.
Apparently the other two Jan 6th offenses are misdemeanors.
I don't know the elements of the Obstruction charge, or the other counts, one of which includes "intent".
What did they do to obstruct the proceedings ? Is everyone who entered the Capitol on Jan 6th being charged with felony obstruction ?
All we know from the reporting is that they were inside the Capitol ?
Did they confront any police officers ? Not comply with any police instructions ? Were the barricades down & the doors open by the time they entered.
Obviously, Robertsons rhetoric & actions since Jan 6th will not help his defense.
Process crimes. The only criminal is the cop that shot the woman.
Trolling alert
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
I didn't miss anything. The Judge's words were in one of the CNN articles &/or a WP report I saw.
As I posted, Robertson had been free on bond for the Jan 6 alleged violations, until the gun charges.
The word "felony" does not appear in the indictment you linked. Were those felony charges ?
Obstruction of an Official Proceeding 18 U.S.C. 513 is a felony charge.
Thank you. I subsequently noted "felony" irt the obstruction count in the final para of the The Roanoke Times article you linked.
Apparently the other two Jan 6th offenses are misdemeanors.
I don't know the elements of the Obstruction charge, or the other counts, one of which includes "intent".
What did they do to obstruct the proceedings ? Is everyone who entered the Capitol on Jan 6th being charged with felony obstruction ?
All we know from the reporting is that they were inside the Capitol ?
Did they confront any police officers ? Not comply with any police instructions ? Were the barricades down & the doors open by the time they entered.
Obviously, Robertsons rhetoric & actions since Jan 6th will not help his defense.
Process crimes. The only criminal is the cop that shot the woman.
Trolling alert
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
I didn't miss anything. The Judge's words were in one of the CNN articles &/or a WP report I saw.
As I posted, Robertson had been free on bond for the Jan 6 alleged violations, until the gun charges.
The word "felony" does not appear in the indictment you linked. Were those felony charges ?
Obstruction of an Official Proceeding 18 U.S.C. 513 is a felony charge.
Thank you. I subsequently noted "felony" irt the obstruction count in the final para of the The Roanoke Times article you linked.
Apparently the other two Jan 6th offenses are misdemeanors.
I don't know the elements of the Obstruction charge, or the other counts, one of which includes "intent".
What did they do to obstruct the proceedings ? Is everyone who entered the Capitol on Jan 6th being charged with felony obstruction ?
All we know from the reporting is that they were inside the Capitol ?
Did they confront any police officers ? Not comply with any police instructions ? Were the barricades down & the doors open by the time they entered.
Obviously, Robertsons rhetoric & actions since Jan 6th will not help his defense.
Process crimes. The only criminal is the cop that shot the woman.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."
So the point of this excerpt is...you credit their invention that they were simply invitees of the Capitol Police having a couple of nifty photo ops? Your wife shouldn't let you go out unsupervised man. Jeez.
Calm down. Breath deep. Providing the info CNN reported in an earlier article which is omitted in that link.
Cover your eyes if into hurts you.
ok, so what's your takeaway from what you 'shared'...are these guys knuckleheads that should go to jail or...
As I said -- providing the background info on what Robertson allegedly did & what he claims, which was not included in the later CNN article, which said he "stormed the Capitol" in the headline. Readers can decide for themselves, as will a judge & jury, if it gets to that point.
but what's your take?
Are you saying what they claim is plausible?
Surely you have an opinion? A gut take?
Or can you only have one after there's a conviction or admission of guilt? (oh yeah, admissions of guilt don't count).
I'd like more info & evidence. Are the Jan 6 charges felony or misdemeanor ? Any allegations of Robertson acting violently ? What evidence do prosecutors have, beyond the photo ? What other evidence on conditions in that part of the Capitol at that time ? What would Robertson have encountered to get to that point ? Is he visible in other photos & videos ? Apparently, he was free on bail, awaiting trial, until the later gun charges.
Indictments like this one are often and routinely superseeded when new evidence is discovered. Nothing out of the ordinary in this one either.
Do you feel this way about all charged defendants in any kind of criminal activity? I don't recall your enlightened view during the summer of 2020. Perhaps you can cite evidence to the contrary in your past posts on the topic.
Do I feel what way ? I didn't say he should be free on bail after the gun charges. The fact that he was free on bail for the Jan 6 charges is an indication of the seriousness of the alleged Jan 6th violations & the danger that Robertson posed.
Summer 2020 ? I suppose I should have given Flynn more benefit of the doubt.
The reason the judge ordered him jailed as detailed below (no idea how you missed it with your considerable Google search skills)
"Judge ruled that Thomas “T.J.” Robertson was ordered held without bond Wednesday by a judge in Washington, D.C.’s federal court.
“Both in the immediate aftermath of the riot and more recently, Robertson has expressed remorselessness and endorsed future political violence,” Judge Christopher Cooper wrote in finding that there were no conditions under which the 48-year-old Franklin County man could be released.
Free on bond after he was charged with participating in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Robertson was jailed earlier this month after law enforcement agents raided his Ferrum home and found an M4 rifle, a partially assembled homemade bomb, silencers and hand grenade fuses.
Robertson had been ordered not to possess firearms as a condition of his bond.
Cooper’s decision, however, was based on a more serious allegation. The judge wrote that there was probable cause to believe that Robertson committed a felony by ordering 34 firearms from an online dealer after being told not to possess any guns."
I didn't miss anything. The Judge's words were in one of the CNN articles &/or a WP report I saw.
As I posted, Robertson had been free on bond for the Jan 6 alleged violations, until the gun charges.
The word "felony" does not appear in the indictment you linked. Were those felony charges ?
Obstruction of an Official Proceeding 18 U.S.C. 513 is a felony charge.
Thank you. I subsequently noted "felony" irt the obstruction count in the final para of the The Roanoke Times article you linked.
Apparently the other two Jan 6th offenses are misdemeanors.
I don't know the elements of the Obstruction charge, or the other counts, one of which includes "intent".
What did they do to obstruct the proceedings ? Is everyone who entered the Capitol on Jan 6th being charged with felony obstruction ?
All we know from the reporting is that they were inside the Capitol ?
Did they confront any police officers ? Not comply with any police instructions ? Were the barricades down & the doors open by the time they entered.
Obviously, Robertsons rhetoric & actions since Jan 6th will not help his defense.
Process crimes. The only criminal is the cop that shot the woman.
“Dems in Congress want a standing, full time, 24/7 DC National Guard Quick Reaction Force, which would be a component of the DC Air National Guard, based at Joint Base Andrews. It would be Airmen trained as riot police. They could name it the Ashli Babbit Brigade in memory of their best known alum, who was lost on Jan 6th.”
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:46 pm
by youthathletics
You guys just do not talk the same love language. I think TLD pushes back on OS so much just so he can learn more from him.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:53 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:46 pm
You guys just do not talk the same love language. I think TLD pushes back on OS so much just so he can learn more from him.
Ashli shouldn’t have acted so tough…. Gets them every time..
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
The Ashli Babbit Brigade has a nice ring to it!