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What are the odds that the same rigor has been applied to the question of collateral damage in the Trump Admin as the Obama Admin?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:42 am And.....
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/tru ... lties-war/
Anybody seen Cradleandshoot?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:10 pmWhat are the odds that the same rigor has been applied to the question of collateral damage in the Trump Admin as the Obama Admin?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:42 am And.....
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/tru ... lties-war/
(For you military folks, that's not a criticism of our military).
During the course of the conflict in Vietnam our forces were not allowed to conduct any operations in Cambodia and Laos. It did not matter if you were an infantry company in "hot pursuit" of NVA forces. The moment the NVA forces crossed into Cambodia they were free and clear. That was not always the case, but our forces that violated the border did so at great risk. You don't seem to grasp where I come from regarding our drone attacks that now cover 3 administrations. I have no problem with the drone attacks or the collateral damage that occurs. I don't like it when non combatants are killed. I am wondering when the rules of engagement changed and who changed them. What our forces could not do in Vietnam they can now do and nobody asks any questions about it. If the rules have been that the US military does not conduct operations in neutral countries, why have we been doing so for almost 20 years? My secondary question is why the MM folks don't pay all that much attention to the collateral damage when it comes to innocent people that are killed in the process?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:46 amYou have more of an interest than I do. You tell me.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:24 amYou understand that these drone strikes occured in a nation that was not involved in the conflict at hand. You remember that in Nam our military was strictly forbidden from any action in neighboring countries. Laos, Cambodia were all off limits. There is some guy named John Kerry that served in those areas and had to cross those borders in hot persiut. What is our justification for launching drone strikes in Pakistan? It was a war crime when done during the Vietnam era. When did the rules of engagement change?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:11 amBarry was talking about ‘nam? You were/are babbling.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:57 amI forget, you were just a gleam in your dad's eye when these historic events were happening. Do you remember the Mai Lai massacre? Do you remember what a big deal it was? Do you remember all those pictures that all of us Americans saw back in the day. I'm sorry, you were not even born yet when that was a big deal.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:40 amYou were blabbering....cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:43 amYour soooooo cute when your bored.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:05 pmcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:31 pmI have no problem with BHOs drones strikes. The fact he seems to underplay the collateral damage issue surprises me. If the bad guys are hiding out under the protection of people friendly to them... the rules of engagement make you fair game. The sad fact is that includes children, women and old folks. If you folks are going to pizz your pants about kids in cages on our southern border but just yawn about kids being blown up as collateral damage... well then something is out of whack here.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 pmThanks for posting that. It’s amazing listening to someone sane compared to what we have heard over the past 4 years. There are no easy answers.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:33 pm obama and drone strikes. https://twitter.com/Ibrahimpols/status/ ... 6054479872BHO approved every single drone strike that took out the bad guys. BHO was also ultimately responsible for every single death from his actions due to collateral damage. Every child, every woman, every old person were all killed on BHOs watch. It is funny how we never saw the pictures of those collateral damage victims on our evening news. What was up with that ABC, CBS and NBC and all the other cable outlets? You all had no problems showing us the victims at Mai Lai? That does not play very well anymore on the 6:30 news does it?
Why would I expect you to ever be able to think outside of that little box you live in. You didn't grow up and experience what was happening then. To a young un like you it is just babble.
Have you ever seen the photos of all of those victims of collateral damage from those drone strikes that BHO approved? I'm just asking for a friend.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-data
“Where you been at” the past 4 years?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/ob ... ngs-count/
Nope....I don’t care what Joe does because you don’t either
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47480207
There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a UK-based think tank.
I'm here my brother, I had to take my wife to the hospital yesterday. Everything is fine with her.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:36 pmAnybody seen Cradleandshoot?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:10 pmWhat are the odds that the same rigor has been applied to the question of collateral damage in the Trump Admin as the Obama Admin?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:42 am And.....
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/tru ... lties-war/
(For you military folks, that's not a criticism of our military).
MD collateral damage is always a horrible consequence of any military action. There is no way around it, it is going to happen. I will repeat what I posted to TLD, our forces in Vietnam were strictly forbidden from any and all operations in Cambodia and Laos. At what point in time did our government authorize the drone strikes in Pakistan and surrounding countries? It is like all of a sudden it was okay to strike the bad guys hiding out in other countries. I don't have a problem with our leaders doing it. i just don't know where the controlling legal authority is that allows our leaders to do it. This has always been since the conflict in Vietnam, not our governments policy to do this. When did this change and who authorized it?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:10 pmWhat are the odds that the same rigor has been applied to the question of collateral damage in the Trump Admin as the Obama Admin?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:42 am And.....
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/tru ... lties-war/
(For you military folks, that's not a criticism of our military).
I went off on too much of a tangent here. The collateral damage from our drone strikes have never been sensationalized like the massacre at My Lai. When some of these pictures start making the regular rounds on the cover of Time and on our local newspapers then I will know it actually matters to some people.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:28 amI'm not sure where we saw these pictures, but certainly mainstream media has covered.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:27 amABC, CBS and NBC? Were they broadcast over all of the MM? I don't think so...MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:23 am ok, I'll bite.
Yes, we've seen pictures of the dead from drone strikes gone bad.
But you keep ignoring the differences in intent, thus the public's different reaction to them.
That’s good to hear. All the best. Got a call from my sister about my uncle having to be revived this morning. He should be fine. More important things in life than stupid politics.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:44 pmI'm here my brother, I had to take my wife to the hospital yesterday. Everything is fine with her.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:36 pmAnybody seen Cradleandshoot?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:10 pmWhat are the odds that the same rigor has been applied to the question of collateral damage in the Trump Admin as the Obama Admin?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:42 am And.....
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/tru ... lties-war/
(For you military folks, that's not a criticism of our military).
Why are you asking me? I thought your issue was with Obama. I wasn’t defending the guy. Just pointing out how different a rational discussion can be given the current guy in office....you raise good points. I don’t have an answer. The people we pay should be answering those questions.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:42 pmDuring the course of the conflict in Vietnam our forces were not allowed to conduct any operations in Cambodia and Laos. It did not matter if you were an infantry company in "hot pursuit" of NVA forces. The moment the NVA forces crossed into Cambodia they were free and clear. That was not always the case, but our forces that violated the border did so at great risk. You don't seem to grasp where I come from regarding our drone attacks that now cover 3 administrations. I have no problem with the drone attacks or the collateral damage that occurs. I don't like it when non combatants are killed. I am wondering when the rules of engagement changed and who changed them. What our forces could not do in Vietnam they can now do and nobody asks any questions about it. If the rules have been that the US military does not conduct operations in neutral countries, why have we been doing so for almost 20 years? My secondary question is why the MM folks don't pay all that much attention to the collateral damage when it comes to innocent people that are killed in the process?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:46 amYou have more of an interest than I do. You tell me.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:24 amYou understand that these drone strikes occured in a nation that was not involved in the conflict at hand. You remember that in Nam our military was strictly forbidden from any action in neighboring countries. Laos, Cambodia were all off limits. There is some guy named John Kerry that served in those areas and had to cross those borders in hot persiut. What is our justification for launching drone strikes in Pakistan? It was a war crime when done during the Vietnam era. When did the rules of engagement change?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:11 amBarry was talking about ‘nam? You were/are babbling.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:57 amI forget, you were just a gleam in your dad's eye when these historic events were happening. Do you remember the Mai Lai massacre? Do you remember what a big deal it was? Do you remember all those pictures that all of us Americans saw back in the day. I'm sorry, you were not even born yet when that was a big deal.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:40 amYou were blabbering....cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:43 amYour soooooo cute when your bored.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:05 pmcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:31 pmI have no problem with BHOs drones strikes. The fact he seems to underplay the collateral damage issue surprises me. If the bad guys are hiding out under the protection of people friendly to them... the rules of engagement make you fair game. The sad fact is that includes children, women and old folks. If you folks are going to pizz your pants about kids in cages on our southern border but just yawn about kids being blown up as collateral damage... well then something is out of whack here.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 pmThanks for posting that. It’s amazing listening to someone sane compared to what we have heard over the past 4 years. There are no easy answers.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:33 pm obama and drone strikes. https://twitter.com/Ibrahimpols/status/ ... 6054479872
Why would I expect you to ever be able to think outside of that little box you live in. You didn't grow up and experience what was happening then. To a young un like you it is just babble.
Have you ever seen the photos of all of those victims of collateral damage from those drone strikes that BHO approved? I'm just asking for a friend.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-data
“Where you been at” the past 4 years?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/ob ... ngs-count/
Nope....I don’t care what Joe does because you don’t either
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47480207
There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a UK-based think tank.
2038??? It sure looks like they are not in a hurry to build it. The construction must be a union job if it is going to take 18 years to build it?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:32 am France's new aircraft carrier (in 2038). Tres chic !
https://news.usni.org/2020/12/08/presid ... er-program
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... t-carrier/
If Erdogan kicks us (& NATO) out of Incirlik, Crete would be a great alternatine.https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s ... le-system/
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle urged the administration to sanction Ankara, though President Trump had previously refused. U.S. officials had previously said that sanctions could be avoided if Turkey did not employ the system, but Turkish officials test fired it in October.
Congress last week passed its annual defense policy bill that forced the White House to implement sanctions within 30 days.
Officials have said the mobile surface-to-air missile system poses a risk to the NATO alliance and the F-35, the U.S.’s most expensive weapons platform.
The acquisition violated the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which was passed in summer 2017 and targeted Iran, North Korea and Russia, requiring sanctions on any country that made a “significant purchase” of defense equipment from Russia.
The Trump administration has only used the sanctions once before, against China’s defense procurement agency for its purchase of a S400 as well as a Russian Sukhoi Su-35 combat aircraft.
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/28184 ... 9hYRdHYrrc
Greece could receive six F-35 stealth jets originally built for Turkey before its ouster from the program, days after the latter conducted tests of the S-400 missile systems it bought from Russia.
...Additionally, the U.S. is mulling over relocating Incirlik Air Base in Turkey to Greece’s Crete island, reports said. NATO allies rely on the base as a staging point for access to the Middle East.
However, a month earlier, Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Thomas Campbell told Anadolu Agency: “The U.S. has operated at Incirlik Air Base for decades at the invitation of the Turkish government, and our continued presence there demonstrates the ongoing and strong relationship between the United States and our NATO Ally Turkey.”
The Greek Air Force also plans to acquire 18 Rafale combat jets from France besides other major military equipment as friction with Turkey mounts. Modernization of 10 Mirage jets, buying two Type 214 submarines and four frigates from Germany, Spike missiles and drones from Israel, is also on the cards.
The United States and Greece agreed upon the sale of 20 F-35s during U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s visit to Athens earlier this month. Of this, six will be purchased in 2022, Greek newspaper Estia reported on October 19.
On October 16, Turkey conducted first test of S-400 air defense system (ADS) from its missile test facility in Sinop province on the Black Sea, where it was delivered earlier this month with British-made Banshee drones for use as targets.
The U.S.-Turkey tensions skyrocketed after the latter bought the S-400 systems from Russia for $2.5 billion in 2017. Washington’s attempts to persuade Ankara to ditch the systems went in vain. Soon after Russia began shipping the S-400s to Turkey in July 2019, the U.S. struck off Turkey’s name from the list of F-35 program partners and refused to sell the jets, 100 of which Ankara had planned to buy.
Trump’s guys....handling businessold salt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:25 am US sanctions Turkey for purchasing & employing Russian S-400 air defense system.https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s ... le-system/
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle urged the administration to sanction Ankara, though President Trump had previously refused. U.S. officials had previously said that sanctions could be avoided if Turkey did not employ the system, but Turkish officials test fired it in October.
Congress last week passed its annual defense policy bill that forced the White House to implement sanctions within 30 days.
Officials have said the mobile surface-to-air missile system poses a risk to the NATO alliance and the F-35, the U.S.’s most expensive weapons platform.
The acquisition violated the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which was passed in summer 2017 and targeted Iran, North Korea and Russia, requiring sanctions on any country that made a “significant purchase” of defense equipment from Russia.
The Trump administration has only used the sanctions once before, against China’s defense procurement agency for its purchase of a S400 as well as a Russian Sukhoi Su-35 combat aircraft.
More than a light carrier ... but not quite a true super carrier.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:22 am2038??? It sure looks like they are not in a hurry to build it. The construction must be a union job if it is going to take 18 years to build it?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:32 am France's new aircraft carrier (in 2038). Tres chic !
https://news.usni.org/2020/12/08/presid ... er-program
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... t-carrier/
The French will always be, ...well, French.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:36 amMore than a light carrier ... but not quite a true super carrier.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:22 am2038??? It sure looks like they are not in a hurry to build it. The construction must be a union job if it is going to take 18 years to build it?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:32 am France's new aircraft carrier (in 2038). Tres chic !
https://news.usni.org/2020/12/08/presid ... er-program
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... t-carrier/
Typical middling French endeavor.
DocBarrister
Please, all this killing machine industry lover did was hand out combat ribbons to the drone pilots. What IS the name of the private drone company based in California.........only difference between Obama and tRump is Barrack will give you a reach around, every once in a while. To make you feel loved. both are porking you in the you know what..Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 pmThanks for posting that. It’s amazing listening to someone sane compared to what we have heard over the past 4 years. There are no easy answers.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:33 pm obama and drone strikes. https://twitter.com/Ibrahimpols/status/ ... 6054479872
Something trigger you? Put the bowl down.ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:17 amPlease, all this killing machine industry lover did was hand out combat ribbons to the drone pilots. What IS the name of the private drone company based in California.........only difference between Obama and tRump is Barrack will give you a reach around, every once in a while. To make you feel loved. both are porking you in the you know what..Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 pmThanks for posting that. It’s amazing listening to someone sane compared to what we have heard over the past 4 years. There are no easy answers.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:33 pm obama and drone strikes. https://twitter.com/Ibrahimpols/status/ ... 6054479872
Stephen Corbett makes me sick......and his puppy dog look, feeling oh so bad that Obama had to struggle with the decision to KILL innocent people, or poor, poor, killing choices......
You don't even realize how pathetic it is. You , being the pretend liberals, like Stephen C.
maybe you should pick it up? Did you watch the video? Is stephen C. not adoring him, with those sad puppy dog eyes of understanding and compassion.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:35 amSomething trigger you? Put the bowl down.ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:17 amPlease, all this killing machine industry lover did was hand out combat ribbons to the drone pilots. What IS the name of the private drone company based in California.........only difference between Obama and tRump is Barrack will give you a reach around, every once in a while. To make you feel loved. both are porking you in the you know what..Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 pmThanks for posting that. It’s amazing listening to someone sane compared to what we have heard over the past 4 years. There are no easy answers.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:33 pm obama and drone strikes. https://twitter.com/Ibrahimpols/status/ ... 6054479872
Stephen Corbett makes me sick......and his puppy dog look, feeling oh so bad that Obama had to struggle with the decision to KILL innocent people, or poor, poor, killing choices......
You don't even realize how pathetic it is. You , being the pretend liberals, like Stephen C.
Engine, engine number 9......ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:00 ammaybe you should pick it up? Did you watch the video? Is stephen C. not adoring him, with those sad puppy dog eyes of understanding and compassion.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:35 amSomething trigger you? Put the bowl down.ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:17 amPlease, all this killing machine industry lover did was hand out combat ribbons to the drone pilots. What IS the name of the private drone company based in California.........only difference between Obama and tRump is Barrack will give you a reach around, every once in a while. To make you feel loved. both are porking you in the you know what..Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 pmThanks for posting that. It’s amazing listening to someone sane compared to what we have heard over the past 4 years. There are no easy answers.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:33 pm obama and drone strikes. https://twitter.com/Ibrahimpols/status/ ... 6054479872
Stephen Corbett makes me sick......and his puppy dog look, feeling oh so bad that Obama had to struggle with the decision to KILL innocent people, or poor, poor, killing choices......
You don't even realize how pathetic it is. You , being the pretend liberals, like Stephen C.
"You killed people with deep thought, and anguish. Trump is such a cad, and said F em. No class. you, sir, Obama, killed with class. "
maybe if my folks were in power, we wouldn't be counting cards.......just saying. You wave your pom pomms to the killing industry machine like a good pretend liberal.
