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...hey, I'm not the one calling to pick up a gun.... yup. Trump's cult is making use of tactics that decent, democracy supporting people have not and are loth to. His cult is also convinced we won't. They believe there is no price to be paid for the use of these tactics. It's a turkey shoot they believe.njbill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:36 amThis sort of stuff is already happening. Trump is having his Kool-Aid drinkers threaten judges, judges staff, prosecutors, election workers, etc. He will no doubt threaten jurors once they are impaneled in the Manhattan criminal trial and any other jurors down the road.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
This is effectively this idiot’s pledge of allegiance to the prevailing narrative of his twisted, authoritarian-complicit party. Just a fool.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
. Keep your security blanket close. You all have fallen off the deep end.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.. Keep your security blanket close. You all have fallen off the deep end.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
It is less Trump than the movement he leads. Try hard to understand that. Your neighbor and fellow Bills fan (sad) is right.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:32 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
My neighbor and fellow Bills fan has jumped on the he hates trump bandwagon. Apparently in some circles trump is more dangerous than Hitler. I wasn't aware of that fact. I just thought trump was more of a run of the mill jerkweed.
So trump is worse than Hitler ever was? To my knowledge he hasn't killed a single Jew yet. I thought his movement was the Republican party?? Any idea where the concentration camps will be built? Will the crematoriums have to environmentally friendly?? Do you really think this asinine rhetoric is helpful? So what this country has is bat crap crazy people on both ends of the political spectrum.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:45 pmIt is less Trump than the movement he leads. Try hard to understand that. Your neighbor and fellow Bills fan (sad) is right.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:32 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
My neighbor and fellow Bills fan has jumped on the he hates trump bandwagon. Apparently in some circles trump is more dangerous than Hitler. I wasn't aware of that fact. I just thought trump was more of a run of the mill jerkweed.
... ex prime minister of Austrailan said something similar today on a TV interview.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:32 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
My neighbor and fellow Bills fan has jumped on the he hates trump bandwagon. Apparently in some circles trump is more dangerous than Hitler. I wasn't aware of that fact. I just thought trump was more of a run of the mill jerkweed.
“When you see Trump with Putin, as I have on a few occasions, he’s like the 12-year-old boy who goes to high school and meets the captain of the football team. ‘My hero,'” Turnbull said Monday. “It’s really creepy.”jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:51 pm... ex prime minister of Austrailan said something similar today on a TV interview.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:32 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
My neighbor and fellow Bills fan has jumped on the he hates trump bandwagon. Apparently in some circles trump is more dangerous than Hitler. I wasn't aware of that fact. I just thought trump was more of a run of the mill jerkweed.
That's what they are literally, not figuratively, promising...they say and write it out loud.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
I haven't seen the "Trump is worse than Hitler ever was" statement made. Not by anyone credible or prominent.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:02 pmSo trump is worse than Hitler ever was? To my knowledge he hasn't killed a single Jew yet. I thought his movement was the Republican party?? Any idea where the concentration camps will be built? Will the crematoriums have to environmentally friendly?? Do you really think this asinine rhetoric is helpful? So what this country has is bat crap crazy people on both ends of the political spectrum.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:45 pmIt is less Trump than the movement he leads. Try hard to understand that. Your neighbor and fellow Bills fan (sad) is right.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:32 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
My neighbor and fellow Bills fan has jumped on the he hates trump bandwagon. Apparently in some circles trump is more dangerous than Hitler. I wasn't aware of that fact. I just thought trump was more of a run of the mill jerkweed.
Identifying "others" as people taking from, or supplanting you? Check
But that is NOT what the radical FLP trump haters are saying. My neighbor has forwarded a number of articles to me that boldly and clearly state that trump is more dangerous than Hitler. His primary source is his PhD son who teaches poly sci at a small Catholic college in PA. Some of the chit forwarded to me is stunning in its anger, vitriol and down right hatred. I thought it was the right wing nuts that preached this hatred. I guess the left wing nuts are getting in the game as well. So what particular version of hatred and intolerance is a person suppose to believe?? This is what both sides are bringing to the table. Shame on all of them, the USA as we knew it is circling the drain and headed for hell in a hand basket.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:01 amI haven't seen the "Trump is worse than Hitler ever was" statement made. Not by anyone credible or prominent.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:02 pmSo trump is worse than Hitler ever was? To my knowledge he hasn't killed a single Jew yet. I thought his movement was the Republican party?? Any idea where the concentration camps will be built? Will the crematoriums have to environmentally friendly?? Do you really think this asinine rhetoric is helpful? So what this country has is bat crap crazy people on both ends of the political spectrum.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:45 pmIt is less Trump than the movement he leads. Try hard to understand that. Your neighbor and fellow Bills fan (sad) is right.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:32 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
My neighbor and fellow Bills fan has jumped on the he hates trump bandwagon. Apparently in some circles trump is more dangerous than Hitler. I wasn't aware of that fact. I just thought trump was more of a run of the mill jerkweed.
On the other hand, lots of quite valid comparisons, similarities as well as contrasts.
As you point out, Hitler had quite a terrible run in control of Germany for over a decade ('34-'45) as the leader of the Nazi movement. 6 million murdered and millions more killed through a war of massive aggression. That didn't happen overnight.
Nor did the Nazi movement which had begun a decade earlier, indeed the Nazis failed a violent coup attempt under Hitler in '23. But that attempt didn't end the movement. The goals of the Nazi movement were quite explicit, spoken and written, and yet many did not take them seriously, and considered them merely an extremist group on the far right. Others agreed with their goals and just thought their promises would be moderated by the legalities involved.
In the early 30's the country was still a constitutional republic, though very fragile and with a multi-party system in which the Nazis gained the largest share with a high point of only 37% of the votes in '32 and lower, 33% in '33. Hitler himself was not elected, rather he was appointed by President Hindenburg as Chancellor in '33 under the mistaken belief by some around Hindenburg that they could use the Nazis to their own benefit...but Hitler immediately began the destruction of personal liberties and establishing the mechanisms for full control consistent with Nazi ideology. Those legal constraints were destroyed. And when Hindenburg died, Hitler declared himself Fuhrer and a full-on dictatorship was established by a party with less than 40% support, indeed only about a third of the population's support.
The process with MAGA has not been and will not be identical and it's still in a state more analogous to the Nazis in the '20's and early '30's than to '34-45.
But they are promising, as did the Nazis, massive removal of liberties for some in America, a radical re-shaping, ridding the country of "socialists" (Nazi "communists"), with Democrats equivalent to "socialists", ridding the country of "traitors" (RINOs...Nazi other party leaders including initial allies), ridding the country of religious outliers (Muslim ban), a national registry of undesirables (eg Muslim registry), concentration camps for immigrants (and other undesirables) (note the Nazis didn't promise crematoriums but they did use language associated with extermination eg vermin and rats, with existential implications eg "poisoning the blood of our country")...
I can go on and on about these similarities, including the NAZI utilization of religious bias to justify various actions, a bargain made by some religious people with the Nazis to attain their goals...here we're seeing the bargain over abortion turning to really radical directions of control over women, by people who truly believe in full on patriarchy and the subordinated 'role of women' and the further bargain being the ridding of the country of acceptance of LGBTQ...how far will that go in order to achieve these religiously based aims by people who believe that all such "sins" should be "cleansed"?
You find all of this given full throated voice in the MAGA movement, and embraced as valid by their Leader albeit, like Hitler, Trump sometimes obscures these aims as he seeks increased political support...note, he doesn't have full power yet...it's pre-1934.
And he and his followers are flat out promising that once they take control, their chief aim will be retribution. They mean it.
Is "Trump worse than Hitler ever was"? Not yet.
But if he and MAGA succeed, they may well might be much worse.
How do we weigh the risk that the US falls to such authoritarian rule in a world in which there would be no other economic or military capacity remotely comparable to carry the banner of democracy and freedom? A world in which the largest powers by a wide margin are all authoritarian? Do they divide up and subjugate the rest of the world or fight over it?
Is that risk even worse than the global threat of Nazi Germany?
After all, at that point in time, England was the counterpoint democracy in power, with the US a rising democratic power.
Please share with us these "articles" and we'll take a look at what they're saying and the credibility and/or prominence of the authors.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:39 pmBut that is NOT what the radical FLP trump haters are saying. My neighbor has forwarded a number of articles to me that boldly and clearly state that trump is more dangerous than Hitler. His primary source is his PhD son who teaches poly sci at a small Catholic college in PA. Some of the chit forwarded to me is stunning in its anger, vitriol and down right hatred. I thought it was the right wing nuts that preached this hatred. I guess the left wing nuts are getting in the game as well. So what particular version of hatred and intolerance is a person suppose to believe?? This is what both sides are bringing to the table. Shame on all of them, the USA as we knew it is circling the drain and headed for hell in a hand basket.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:01 amI haven't seen the "Trump is worse than Hitler ever was" statement made. Not by anyone credible or prominent.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:02 pmSo trump is worse than Hitler ever was? To my knowledge he hasn't killed a single Jew yet. I thought his movement was the Republican party?? Any idea where the concentration camps will be built? Will the crematoriums have to environmentally friendly?? Do you really think this asinine rhetoric is helpful? So what this country has is bat crap crazy people on both ends of the political spectrum.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:45 pmIt is less Trump than the movement he leads. Try hard to understand that. Your neighbor and fellow Bills fan (sad) is right.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:32 pmyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:07 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:25 amMaddow is correct.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:47 amNah....that's the sheppard speaking to her sheep, Maddow.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:14 amWell, if Collin Rugg says so, then that’s it!!!youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:21 am Looks like MSNBC has already crumbled, and is spreading the word: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1763045 ... 04498?s=20
As President with absolute immunity, he can and very likely will remain in office until his death.
You need to pay attention to what these a-holes actually say, youth.
They're promising to fire or jail or otherwise punish any who stand in their way, any political opponent, media opponent, judge, lawyer, general, whoever... anyone for that matter who refuses to swear fealty or is suspected of not being truly loyal, and they're claiming in court and in public that if the President orders assassinations of his opponents, that's a Presidential order and must be carried out, and he's immune from prosecution. Full on, that's what they say. They're full-on serious.
They're promising mass concentration camps and round ups of undocumented immigrants. They'd previously promised Muslim bans and though that was stymied when they didn't have absolute control, that's a promise they'll likely return to. Expect it of anyone they consider 'undesirable'...that's certain to include LGBTQ.
Moreover, we're seeing at the state level what happens when full MAGA control of government is able to be exercised and it's very ugly, Gilead-like stuff. If the federal level brakes are no longer able to be applied at all, expect the full on worst to be emboldened.
Salty will get his civil war.
My neighbor and fellow Bills fan has jumped on the he hates trump bandwagon. Apparently in some circles trump is more dangerous than Hitler. I wasn't aware of that fact. I just thought trump was more of a run of the mill jerkweed.
On the other hand, lots of quite valid comparisons, similarities as well as contrasts.
As you point out, Hitler had quite a terrible run in control of Germany for over a decade ('34-'45) as the leader of the Nazi movement. 6 million murdered and millions more killed through a war of massive aggression. That didn't happen overnight.
Nor did the Nazi movement which had begun a decade earlier, indeed the Nazis failed a violent coup attempt under Hitler in '23. But that attempt didn't end the movement. The goals of the Nazi movement were quite explicit, spoken and written, and yet many did not take them seriously, and considered them merely an extremist group on the far right. Others agreed with their goals and just thought their promises would be moderated by the legalities involved.
In the early 30's the country was still a constitutional republic, though very fragile and with a multi-party system in which the Nazis gained the largest share with a high point of only 37% of the votes in '32 and lower, 33% in '33. Hitler himself was not elected, rather he was appointed by President Hindenburg as Chancellor in '33 under the mistaken belief by some around Hindenburg that they could use the Nazis to their own benefit...but Hitler immediately began the destruction of personal liberties and establishing the mechanisms for full control consistent with Nazi ideology. Those legal constraints were destroyed. And when Hindenburg died, Hitler declared himself Fuhrer and a full-on dictatorship was established by a party with less than 40% support, indeed only about a third of the population's support.
The process with MAGA has not been and will not be identical and it's still in a state more analogous to the Nazis in the '20's and early '30's than to '34-45.
But they are promising, as did the Nazis, massive removal of liberties for some in America, a radical re-shaping, ridding the country of "socialists" (Nazi "communists"), with Democrats equivalent to "socialists", ridding the country of "traitors" (RINOs...Nazi other party leaders including initial allies), ridding the country of religious outliers (Muslim ban), a national registry of undesirables (eg Muslim registry), concentration camps for immigrants (and other undesirables) (note the Nazis didn't promise crematoriums but they did use language associated with extermination eg vermin and rats, with existential implications eg "poisoning the blood of our country")...
I can go on and on about these similarities, including the NAZI utilization of religious bias to justify various actions, a bargain made by some religious people with the Nazis to attain their goals...here we're seeing the bargain over abortion turning to really radical directions of control over women, by people who truly believe in full on patriarchy and the subordinated 'role of women' and the further bargain being the ridding of the country of acceptance of LGBTQ...how far will that go in order to achieve these religiously based aims by people who believe that all such "sins" should be "cleansed"?
You find all of this given full throated voice in the MAGA movement, and embraced as valid by their Leader albeit, like Hitler, Trump sometimes obscures these aims as he seeks increased political support...note, he doesn't have full power yet...it's pre-1934.
And he and his followers are flat out promising that once they take control, their chief aim will be retribution. They mean it.
Is "Trump worse than Hitler ever was"? Not yet.
But if he and MAGA succeed, they may well might be much worse.
How do we weigh the risk that the US falls to such authoritarian rule in a world in which there would be no other economic or military capacity remotely comparable to carry the banner of democracy and freedom? A world in which the largest powers by a wide margin are all authoritarian? Do they divide up and subjugate the rest of the world or fight over it?
Is that risk even worse than the global threat of Nazi Germany?
After all, at that point in time, England was the counterpoint democracy in power, with the US a rising democratic power.
Republicans and Democrats and all go screw yourselves as far as I'm concerned. I hope some viable 3rd party alternative steps forward. This ain't the country I was willing to fight and die for. If I hear one more politician blabbering about the rule of law I will
... Yup, problem can't be ignored. The problem is not Trump it's the fools in his cult. Unless we are lucky we will see autocrat after autocrat looking to inherit Trump's cult. Good news 80+% are really old fools, soon to die.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:22 amIdentifying "others" as people taking from, or supplanting you? Check
Stoke grievance and lay it at the feet of existing government? Check.
Beer Hall Putsch? January 6. Check
Horst Wessel? Ashli Babbit. Check.
The movement that Trump has created will be a problem long after he -- soon, one hopes -- dies.
That's the whole thing: the Right wants us to laugh it all off.....Trump pressuring GA officials to cheat, and not stopping violence on Jan 6th. Which would make sense if you didn't know a thing about world history.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:44 pm... Yup, problem can't be ignored. The problem is not Trump it's the fools in his cult. Unless we are lucky we will see autocrat after autocrat looking to inherit Trump's cult. Good news 80+% are really old fools, soon to die.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:22 amIdentifying "others" as people taking from, or supplanting you? Check
Stoke grievance and lay it at the feet of existing government? Check.
Beer Hall Putsch? January 6. Check
Horst Wessel? Ashli Babbit. Check.
The movement that Trump has created will be a problem long after he -- soon, one hopes -- dies.