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51percentcorn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:35 am The Teat shut-off was in 2018 - Hopkins played Duke in the other quarterfinal @ Navy that year. It appears that maybe Princeton was the first to try it in the Ivy last regular season game and they crushed a favored Cornell squad 14-8 - Teat had 0 pts and 1 shot. Brown obviously employed it in the Ivy semis and it became the thing to talk about but Cornell squeaked by 7-4. I think I watched the Ivy final on TV and Yale did NOT do it and Teat had a goal and 5 assists and the Big Red were Ivy champs. Teat had virtually no stats in the 10-9 Cornell win @ the Dome in the NCAA first round so I assume Syracuse tried it (he had a big imprint against Syracuse for 2 goals-4 assists in the regular season) and I watched Maryland do it when they manhandled Cornell in the 1/4s.

Again - what struck me about the whole thing is that there is an easy way to get a shut off player the ball - whistle one high - know its happening - back it up - give it to Teat. They never did it that I saw.

Another thing that strikes one is how good Teat is - virtually no stats for 4 games and he still finished with 99 points. Talent

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:53 am Shut offs are not always easy to counteract when they're done correctly. Look at Duke vs. UNC last weekend...Sowers hardly touched the ball and only had 1 point—arguably the worst game of his career. Macri was all over him denying him the ball. Dano didn't make much of an effort to adjust. Duke wound up winning but certainly not because of Sowers. They seemed perfectly happy to allow it to happen most of the game. The strategy by UNC definitely worked and nearly won them the game.

Anywho, if anything that was a tactical error from a young head coach back in 2018. This Epstein thing however is just common sense to me. I actually care less about the comments in the Sun—Epstein is a big boy, he can handle it—than I do the decision in the first place not to start him and play the whole mind games thing. I sincerely hope it pays dividends but I can't see how the benefits can outweigh the embarrassment of losing to Michigan.

That being said, I'm with 51, that'll be my final two cents on the matter. Time to move on. If we beat Ohio State on Saturday we'd somehow still be in 3rd place in the conference at 3-5 with at least one win over all three teams below. If you're hoping for a miracle run in the B1G tourney it'd probably help a little bit to start as the 3 seed.

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:53 am Shut offs are not always easy to counteract when they're done correctly. Look at Duke vs. UNC last weekend...Sowers hardly touched the ball and only had 1 point—arguably the worst game of his career. Macri was all over him denying him the ball. Dano didn't make much of an effort to adjust. Duke wound up winning but certainly not because of Sowers. They seemed perfectly happy to allow it to happen most of the game. The strategy by UNC definitely worked and nearly won them the game.

Anywho, if anything that was a tactical error from a young head coach back in 2018. This Epstein thing however is just common sense to me. I actually care less about the comments in the Sun—Epstein is a big boy, he can handle it—than I do the decision in the first place not to start him and play the whole mind games thing. I sincerely hope it pays dividends but I can't see how the benefits can outweigh the embarrassment of losing to Michigan.

That being said, I'm with 51, that'll be my final two cents on the matter. Time to move on. If we beat Ohio State on Saturday we'd somehow still be in 3rd place in the conference at 3-5 with at least one win over all three teams below. If you're hoping for a miracle run in the B1G tourney it'd probably help a little bit to start as the 3 seed.

Is it a mind game if Milliman has been open to Epstein the whole time about his expectations and his view on how Epstein is meeting or not meeting those expectations? Do we know whether he has been open with Epstein the whole time?

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:53 am
That being said, I'm with 51, that'll be my final two cents on the matter. Time to move on. If we beat Ohio State on Saturday we'd somehow still be in 3rd place in the conference at 3-5 with at least one win over all three teams below. If you're hoping for a miracle run in the B1G tourney it'd probably help a little bit to start as the 3 seed.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:56 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:53 am
That being said, I'm with 51, that'll be my final two cents on the matter. Time to move on. If we beat Ohio State on Saturday we'd somehow still be in 3rd place in the conference at 3-5 with at least one win over all three teams below. If you're hoping for a miracle run in the B1G tourney it'd probably help a little bit to start as the 3 seed.

Is Terefenko back? Different team with him out there.

flalax22 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:14 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:53 am Shut offs are not always easy to counteract when they're done correctly. Look at Duke vs. UNC last weekend...Sowers hardly touched the ball and only had 1 point—arguably the worst game of his career. Macri was all over him denying him the ball. Dano didn't make much of an effort to adjust. Duke wound up winning but certainly not because of Sowers. They seemed perfectly happy to allow it to happen most of the game. The strategy by UNC definitely worked and nearly won them the game.

Anywho, if anything that was a tactical error from a young head coach back in 2018. This Epstein thing however is just common sense to me. I actually care less about the comments in the Sun—Epstein is a big boy, he can handle it—than I do the decision in the first place not to start him and play the whole mind games thing. I sincerely hope it pays dividends but I can't see how the benefits can outweigh the embarrassment of losing to Michigan.

That being said, I'm with 51, that'll be my final two cents on the matter. Time to move on. If we beat Ohio State on Saturday we'd somehow still be in 3rd place in the conference at 3-5 with at least one win over all three teams below. If you're hoping for a miracle run in the B1G tourney it'd probably help a little bit to start as the 3 seed.

Is it a mind game if Milliman has been open to Epstein the whole time about his expectations and his view on how Epstein is meeting or not meeting those expectations? Do we know whether he has been open with Epstein the whole time?

Very good questions

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 am

flalax22 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:14 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:53 am Shut offs are not always easy to counteract when they're done correctly. Look at Duke vs. UNC last weekend...Sowers hardly touched the ball and only had 1 point—arguably the worst game of his career. Macri was all over him denying him the ball. Dano didn't make much of an effort to adjust. Duke wound up winning but certainly not because of Sowers. They seemed perfectly happy to allow it to happen most of the game. The strategy by UNC definitely worked and nearly won them the game.

Anywho, if anything that was a tactical error from a young head coach back in 2018. This Epstein thing however is just common sense to me. I actually care less about the comments in the Sun—Epstein is a big boy, he can handle it—than I do the decision in the first place not to start him and play the whole mind games thing. I sincerely hope it pays dividends but I can't see how the benefits can outweigh the embarrassment of losing to Michigan.

That being said, I'm with 51, that'll be my final two cents on the matter. Time to move on. If we beat Ohio State on Saturday we'd somehow still be in 3rd place in the conference at 3-5 with at least one win over all three teams below. If you're hoping for a miracle run in the B1G tourney it'd probably help a little bit to start as the 3 seed.

Is it a mind game if Milliman has been open to Epstein the whole time about his expectations and his view on how Epstein is meeting or not meeting those expectations? Do we know whether he has been open with Epstein the whole time?

Very good questions

It's why I asked another poster, who thinks Epstein is a top 10 player in D1....what makes him think that.

He's not even in the top 50 for scoring. If he's a top 10 player, he's not playing anywhere near his potential. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but we do know what's happening on the field.

Other posters were wise to bring up the injury, if you ask me. Epstein, like so many Hop players in the last few years with lowered point totals, may simply be gutting out an injury.

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:14 am

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 am

flalax22 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:14 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:53 am Shut offs are not always easy to counteract when they're done correctly. Look at Duke vs. UNC last weekend...Sowers hardly touched the ball and only had 1 point—arguably the worst game of his career. Macri was all over him denying him the ball. Dano didn't make much of an effort to adjust. Duke wound up winning but certainly not because of Sowers. They seemed perfectly happy to allow it to happen most of the game. The strategy by UNC definitely worked and nearly won them the game.

Anywho, if anything that was a tactical error from a young head coach back in 2018. This Epstein thing however is just common sense to me. I actually care less about the comments in the Sun—Epstein is a big boy, he can handle it—than I do the decision in the first place not to start him and play the whole mind games thing. I sincerely hope it pays dividends but I can't see how the benefits can outweigh the embarrassment of losing to Michigan.

That being said, I'm with 51, that'll be my final two cents on the matter. Time to move on. If we beat Ohio State on Saturday we'd somehow still be in 3rd place in the conference at 3-5 with at least one win over all three teams below. If you're hoping for a miracle run in the B1G tourney it'd probably help a little bit to start as the 3 seed.

Is it a mind game if Milliman has been open to Epstein the whole time about his expectations and his view on how Epstein is meeting or not meeting those expectations? Do we know whether he has been open with Epstein the whole time?

Very good questions

It's why I asked another poster, who thinks Epstein is a top 10 player in D1....what makes him think that.

He's not even in the top 50 for scoring. If he's a top 10 player, he's not playing anywhere near his potential. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but we do know what's happening on the field.

Other posters were wise to bring up the injury, if you ask me. Epstein, like so many Hop players in the last few years with lowered point totals, may simply be gutting out an injury.

Good points. When he was playing last season, at what seemed to be about 30% of his normal capacity, I thought it was awful that the coaches allowed him to be out there. He's lucky to have gotten that year back.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 am It's why I asked another poster, who thinks Epstein is a top 10 player in D1....what makes him think that.

He's not even in the top 50 for scoring. If he's a top 10 player, he's not playing anywhere near his potential. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but we do know what's happening on the field.

Other posters were wise to bring up the injury, if you ask me. Epstein, like so many Hop players in the last few years with lowered point totals, may simply be gutting out an injury.

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:59 am

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 am It's why I asked another poster, who thinks Epstein is a top 10 player in D1....what makes him think that.

He's not even in the top 50 for scoring. If he's a top 10 player, he's not playing anywhere near his potential. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but we do know what's happening on the field.

Other posters were wise to bring up the injury, if you ask me. Epstein, like so many Hop players in the last few years with lowered point totals, may simply be gutting out an injury.

Are you seriously asking why Joey isn't in the Top 50 in the country in scoring for a team that averages 10 goals per game? Or are you suggesting that if he is, as I think he is, a Top 10 player in the country why isn't he lifting Hopkins to more than 10 goals per game?

You could put Jared Bernhardt in that offense, and Jared wouldn't be in the Top 50 in scoring either.

I must have entered Bizarro Lacrosse World here as a Maryland fan defending a Hopkins player to Hopkins fans.

Petro certainly missed on some recruiting in early recruiting, but the current roster has more talent on it than its record shows. The talent might not fit together well and might be deployed in spots that don't make sense, but there are dozens of players on that team who would be welcomed on many Top 15 teams in the country right now.

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:52 am Last thoughts on Epstein:
While I guess you can use the word "benched" he was in the game at 1-0 or something like that and in crunch time he was back at his normal position - benching implies he didn't play - the correct phrase is "he didn't start at attack"

It was certainly very surprising to see Milliman's comments. He must have known he would get asked about it so he should have been better prepared with a statement that was way less inflammatory. I would have said the following - "No big deal - we thought Joey was pressing the last two games putting too much pressure on himself and we thought having him stand next to Junior for a bit and see the game from a different angle would be beneficial. He's our best player - he was in the game when we needed him the most and he made some excellent decisions in helping to lead the comeback"

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:59 am Are you seriously asking why Joey isn't in the Top 50 in the country in scoring for a team that averages 10 goals per game? Or are you suggesting that if he is, as I think he is, a Top 10 player in the country why isn't he lifting Hopkins to more than 10 goals per game?

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:59 am You could put Jared Bernhardt in that offense, and Jared wouldn't be in the Top 50 in scoring either.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:27 pm

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:59 am Are you seriously asking why Joey isn't in the Top 50 in the country in scoring for a team that averages 10 goals per game? Or are you suggesting that if he is, as I think he is, a Top 10 player in the country why isn't he lifting Hopkins to more than 10 goals per game?

Yes to both. Elite attackmen score, and score a lot. It's not like we're discussing defensemen here.

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:59 am You could put Jared Bernhardt in that offense, and Jared wouldn't be in the Top 50 in scoring either.

That would make sense, except you forgot that DeSimone is on that Top 50 list.

He's not scoring at an elite level. I don't think it's a criminal offense to point out the obvious. I'm not trying to demean him, or his team.

You've been around for a while....how many times have we found out that a kid having a year that disappoints fans....was simply struggling through injuries, and not complaining about it?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:42 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:27 pm

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:59 am Are you seriously asking why Joey isn't in the Top 50 in the country in scoring for a team that averages 10 goals per game? Or are you suggesting that if he is, as I think he is, a Top 10 player in the country why isn't he lifting Hopkins to more than 10 goals per game?

Yes to both. Elite attackmen score, and score a lot. It's not like we're discussing defensemen here.

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:59 am You could put Jared Bernhardt in that offense, and Jared wouldn't be in the Top 50 in scoring either.

That would make sense, except you forgot that DeSimone is on that Top 50 list.

He's not scoring at an elite level. I don't think it's a criminal offense to point out the obvious. I'm not trying to demean him, or his team.

You've been around for a while....how many times have we found out that a kid having a year that disappoints fans....was simply struggling through injuries, and not complaining about it?

seriously. bernhardt looks like superman out there at times. maybe he gets tripped up in a future game, but this is getting a little cray.
epstein, for a frosh in particular, produced. they needed him to, imo. and he delivered. what he becomes next, we'll see and his injury was unfortunate.
but now bernhardt present day comparisons are just silly.