SCOTUS

[jhu72]

Democrats do not believe in the Bill of Rights nor the Constitution. Like I say, the 4th of July ultimately will be nothing but Republicans celebrating our country.

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… it's trolling. The only real republicans left are being called members of the resistance.

[a fan]

The decision to kneel or stand for the national anthem will cause MSNBC/CNN/AC/CBS/NBC to turn away, but not Fox, because almost all Democrats in the hall will kneel. You'll know who you're teaming up with then.

Oh my! Can you IMAGINE not pleading fealty to the magic Federal Government song, Pete? Oh, the horrors!


Hey, since we're on the SCOTUS thread------how'd that ruling on LGBTQ rights work out for your team who think that all these Trump appointees are going to rule in their favor?

Remember how I wrote "be careful what you wish for?" Ask your fellow Evangelical Republicans if they are happy with that SCOTUS result.

[6ftstick]

The decision to kneel or stand for the national anthem will cause MSNBC/CNN/AC/CBS/NBC to turn away, but not Fox, because almost all Democrats in the hall will kneel. You'll know who you're teaming up with then.

Oh my! Can you IMAGINE not pleading fealty to the magic Federal Government song, Pete? Oh, the horrors!


Hey, since we're on the SCOTUS thread------how'd that ruling on LGBTQ rights work out for your team who think that all these Trump appointees are going to rule in their favor?

Remember how I wrote "be careful what you wish for?" Ask your fellow Evangelical Republicans if they are happy with that SCOTUS result.

The magic Federal Government song—really? That like the magic Federal Government Flag?

Theres a few veterans I know who'd like to speak with you personally. You know a conversation?

[Peter Brown]

The decision to kneel or stand for the national anthem will cause MSNBC/CNN/AC/CBS/NBC to turn away, but not Fox, because almost all Democrats in the hall will kneel. You'll know who you're teaming up with then.

Oh my! Can you IMAGINE not pleading fealty to the magic Federal Government song, Pete? Oh, the horrors!


Hey, since we're on the SCOTUS thread------how'd that ruling on LGBTQ rights work out for your team who think that all these Trump appointees are going to rule in their favor?

Remember how I wrote "be careful what you wish for?" Ask your fellow Evangelical Republicans if they are happy with that SCOTUS result.

Don’t know any to ask. For me I think it’s a good decision.

And like I said but which you curiously failed to include, on some level I don’t care. I know exactly who Democrat’s are and who they aren’t. What they aren’t are patriotic, but they want you to think they are. Hence this event if it happens will reveal who they are. That makes me happy.

[CU77]

Guess those vets weren't actually fighting for "freedom".

[6ftstick]

Guess those vets weren't actually fighting for "freedom".

One more time. Freedom is the least of your concerns.

They fought for the symbols of that "freedom"

That Magic Federal song and that magic federal flag. You know the one that goes over their coffins.

[a fan]

Don’t know any to ask. For me I think it’s a good decision.

Oh, I'm aware. Your Republican friends.....not so much.

And like I said but which you curiously failed to include, on some level I don’t care.

Which means, obviously that on "some level", you do indeed care.

I know exactly who Democrat’s are and who they aren’t. What they aren’t are patriotic, but they want you to think they are. Hence this event if it happens will reveal who they are

This is why you're a pro-government zealot. The most American thing you can possibly do, is tell the American Government to F off. It's the ENTIRE reason the very first Amendment is:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

You have managed to convince yourself that standing at attention for the magic Government song makes one a patriot.

You understand that people other than Americans stand during the playing of our National Anthem, right? Was at a Vancouver Canucks game earlier this year, and an arena full of Canadians stood quietly during the playing of our National Anthem.

So does this mean (snicker) that I was surrounded by a few thousand American patriots? Or does standing during a song have NOTHING to do with patriotism?

[jhu72]

The decision to kneel or stand for the national anthem will cause MSNBC/CNN/AC/CBS/NBC to turn away, but not Fox, because almost all Democrats in the hall will kneel. You'll know who you're teaming up with then.

Oh my! Can you IMAGINE not pleading fealty to the magic Federal Government song, Pete? Oh, the horrors!


Hey, since we're on the SCOTUS thread------how'd that ruling on LGBTQ rights work out for your team who think that all these Trump appointees are going to rule in their favor?

Remember how I wrote "be careful what you wish for?" Ask your fellow Evangelical Republicans if they are happy with that SCOTUS result.

Today's republican mob has an inability to remember history. The "social" liberalization of jurists once they take the bench is well documented. The most hated Rowe v Wade decision was made by a court with 6 republican appointees. It was an Eisenhower / Nixon court. Five republicans and two democrats voted in favor.

The republican know nothings are condemned to never learning the lessons of history.

[a fan]

The magic Federal Government song—really? That like the magic Federal Government Flag?

Yep. The Federal Government that YOU and millions of your allegedly Conservative Friends have been complaining about your entire lives.

Remember those complaints? When YOU complain about Big Government are YOU disrespecting our veterans?

"That's different", right?

Just because YOU say someone who is peacefully demonstrating is attacking our soldiers, doesn't make it true. What this childish complaint is actually saying is: only YOU get to complain about the Federal Government. And only YOU get to decided how those complaints are made.

Only YOU get to complain about our Federal Government, six. No one else gets to do that.

Theres a few veterans I know who'd like to speak with you personally.

Great. I'm confident that if they have an IQ above room temperature that they'd have no problem with someone peacefully demonstrating in America. That's supposedly what they are fighting for out there....

I've said this when this first came up: I stand during our national anthem. Always have. Usually gives me chills when it happens in a packed arena. But FFS, of all the things in the world----why the heck would you give two figs if someone chose not to do that? This is America, not f*cking China or N Korea. It makes me PROUD that I don't HAVE to stand for the damn thing. I CHOOSE to do it.

That's the whole freaking point, six. We CHOOSE to stand. I simply don't understand how you don't get that.

[jhu72]

The magic Federal Government song—really? That like the magic Federal Government Flag?

Yep. The Federal Government that YOU and millions of your allegedly Conservative Friends have been complaining about your entire lives.

Remember those complaints? When YOU complain about Big Government are YOU disrespecting our veterans?

"That's different", right?

Just because YOU say someone who is peacefully demonstrating is attacking our soldiers, doesn't make it true. What this childish complaint is actually saying is: only YOU get to complain about the Federal Government. And only YOU get to decided how those complaints are made.

Only YOU get to complain about our Federal Government, six. No one else gets to do that.

Theres a few veterans I know who'd like to speak with you personally.

Great. I'm confident that if they have an IQ above room temperature that they'd have no problem with someone peacefully demonstrating in America. That's supposedly what they are fighting for out there....

I've said this when this first came up: I stand during our national anthem. Always have. Usually gives me chills when it happens in a packed arena. But FFS, of all the things in the world----why the heck would you give two figs if someone chose not to do that? This is American, not f*cking China or N Korea. It makes me PROUD that I don't HAVE to stand for the damn thing. I CHOOSE to do it.

That's the whole freaking point, six. We CHOOSE to stand. I simply don't understand how you don't get that.

… 6 is fine with and seems to believe the whole purpose of the military is to intimidate its citizens.

[6ftstick]

The magic Federal Government song—really? That like the magic Federal Government Flag?

Yep. The Federal Government that YOU and millions of your allegedly Conservative Friends have been complaining about your entire lives.

Remember those complaints? When YOU complain about Big Government are YOU disrespecting our veterans?

"That's different", right?

Just because YOU say someone who is peacefully demonstrating is attacking our soldiers, doesn't make it true. What this childish complaint is actually saying is: only YOU get to complain about the Federal Government. And only YOU get to decided how those complaints are made.

Only YOU get to complain about our Federal Government, six. No one else gets to do that.

Theres a few veterans I know who'd like to speak with you personally.

Great. I'm confident that if they have an IQ above room temperature that they'd have no problem with someone peacefully demonstrating in America. That's supposedly what they are fighting for out there....

I've said this when this first came up: I stand during our national anthem. Always have. Usually gives me chills when it happens in a packed arena. But FFS, of all the things in the world----why the heck would you give two figs if someone chose not to do that? This is American, not f*cking China or N Korea. It makes me PROUD that I don't HAVE to stand for the damn thing. I CHOOSE to do it.

That's the whole freaking point, six. We CHOOSE to stand. I simply don't understand how you don't get that.

Think your smoking too much of your states flower today.

You really think you have to define 'FREEDOM?" You have to explain the first amendment and the Bill of Rights?

You can't say "I stand for the national anthem" and then refer to" the Federal government song" and "the federal government flag" and mean it as derogatiorily as intended. The rest of your tirade is fiction

[6ftstick]

The magic Federal Government song—really? That like the magic Federal Government Flag?

Yep. The Federal Government that YOU and millions of your allegedly Conservative Friends have been complaining about your entire lives.

Remember those complaints? When YOU complain about Big Government are YOU disrespecting our veterans?

"That's different", right?

Just because YOU say someone who is peacefully demonstrating is attacking our soldiers, doesn't make it true. What this childish complaint is actually saying is: only YOU get to complain about the Federal Government. And only YOU get to decided how those complaints are made.

Only YOU get to complain about our Federal Government, six. No one else gets to do that.

Theres a few veterans I know who'd like to speak with you personally.

Great. I'm confident that if they have an IQ above room temperature that they'd have no problem with someone peacefully demonstrating in America. That's supposedly what they are fighting for out there....

I've said this when this first came up: I stand during our national anthem. Always have. Usually gives me chills when it happens in a packed arena. But FFS, of all the things in the world----why the heck would you give two figs if someone chose not to do that? This is American, not f*cking China or N Korea. It makes me PROUD that I don't HAVE to stand for the damn thing. I CHOOSE to do it.

That's the whole freaking point, six. We CHOOSE to stand. I simply don't understand how you don't get that.

… 6 is fine with and seems to believe the whole purpose of the military is to intimidate its citizens.

And you believe the military has no useful purpose

[seacoaster]

For you right-of-center First Amendment guys, do you not understand that not standing, flag burning and the like -- which most of us find somewhere between deeply unsettling and horrifying -- constitute an enormously important statement of speech? I stand, and I won't be burning the flag, but I do understand the deep value of living in a society where those expressions are not criminalized or censured by government.

Most of the stuff we seem to argue about is a matter of viewpoint and extent. Here is a blog post by the British historian Mary Beard about the recent tossing of a statue into the harbour in Bristol:

"So where does this leave us in our current statue wars? Let me offer just a few observations.

1. There is no one (or almost no one) who thinks that there are no exclusions at all for statues that belong in the public realm. There would, I imagine, be very little public debate about the taking down of a statue of Goebbels or Jimmy Savile. It is, however, rather like Free Speech. No one wants it to be completely free, but we disagree on where we draw the line. For me, Colston was on the Goebbels side of the divide and I was quite pleased to see him go, in a rather moving piece of performance art; but I can see what the arguments on the other side look like. (I should add here that I do think, and have said, that iconoclasm can be an art form in itself, and was rather pleased that Banksy made it such, in his suggestion for how to replace the Colston statue.) I would feel much the same, as I do about Colston, about the controversial Confederate statues in the United States, put up years later specifically to justify a white supremacist cause. (This is a powerful statement of the case against them.) But it is all a bit more complicated.

2. It goes without saying that one can deplore the actions of the person portrayed in the statue, while not wanting to remove the object itself from public view. The fact that I do not believe “Rhodes Must Fall” does not mean (despite what a lot of Twitter appears to imagine) that I condone his politics and world view. I don’t. I also hope I understand (or try to) the anger and offence some people feel at the sight of him. But the question comes down to something much more nuanced about the purpose of public statuary and about how we face our history.

3. Too much of this debate has traded on a view of history that divides it into goodies and baddies. It has surveyed the past, and given it a good ticking off, according to our own present values. It is hard to know where to stop. Let’s look at Gladstone, for example, a political and social reformer to whom we owe a lot, but who was clearly a beneficiary of slavery (and called out for that by the radical John Bright). Or let’s look at the beneficiaries of the Royal African Company, whose CEO, in our terms, Colston was. They included the philosopher John Locke and Samuel Pepys. Do we want simply to remove them from the public record, from a public presence and public reference, or to think harder about how they came to think as they did and then to critique it? The truth is that there is no such simple version of history, or for that matter of the present: people who do good also do bad (and vice versa) and our own heroes and heroines will in due course be found wanting (or worse) too. Maybe it is the act of heroizing that is the problem, not the inevitably flawed individuals themselves. But it sure throws the focus back onto us. In the case of Rhodes, I still don’t quite see how we can go on using his money to do all the excellent work that the Rhodes Trust does, while planning to throw his image in the Thames (maybe just a new, explanatory plaque would be a good idea?).

4. Much of this comes down to our understanding of the function of public statuary, and I hope that, when Sadiq Khan’s new commission to look at the diversity of London’s statuary (and more) gets under way, they will consider not just who is worthy to be commemorated, but what public sculpture is for. Sure, at the moment of its commissioning it is about the celebration of the individual concerned. But over the decades and the centuries that changes. In the longue durée, statues offer different challenges to our view of history: they ask us to think about what separates us from the heroes of the past, how we can face them down (actually these guys are just lumps of stone), and how they remind us of our own fragility in the judgement of the future. And in the case of those like Rhodes we are made to see the uncomfortable side of the origins of the cash with which we now do good (and that goes for a lot of philanthropy, ancient and modern).

5. And as a parting shot, I bridle a little at the repeated suggestions that these statues belong in a museum. My view of course is that museums are a source of debate and discussion about the past and the present. But I strongly suspect that those who suggest that these statues should be moved there really think that museums are a useful dumping ground for old things you don’t want, but don’t feel you can actually throw away."

Can't we have a discussion?

[a fan]

ou can't say "I stand stand for the national anthem" and then refer to" the Federal government song" and "the federal government flag" and mean it as derogatiorily as intended.

I just did. I'm making fun of you and Pete, and your insistence that if you don't stand for the National Anthem, you're not a patriot. This is America, bub, not Beijing.

The rest of your tirade is fiction

Right.

Keep telling your fellow Americans that they can't peacefully protest, Six. Only YOU get to do that, and YOU get to say how and where the protest is made, and what the protest is for, right?

[6ftstick]

ou can't say "I stand stand for the national anthem" and then refer to" the Federal government song" and "the federal government flag" and mean it as derogatiorily as intended.

I just did. I'm making fun of you and Pete, and your insistence that if you don't stand for the National Anthem, you're not a patriot. This is America, bub, not Beijing.

The rest of your tirade is fiction

Right.

Keep telling your fellow Americans that they can't peacefully protest, Six. Only YOU get to do that, and YOU get to say how and where the protest is made, and what the protest is for, right?

I've never sought to deny peaceful protests. The only people virtue signaling and canceling here are you boys out there on the left. And don't give me that ch*t that your moderate or conservative. "That federal government song" labels you succinctly.

[seacoaster]

ou can't say "I stand stand for the national anthem" and then refer to" the Federal government song" and "the federal government flag" and mean it as derogatiorily as intended.

I just did. I'm making fun of you and Pete, and your insistence that if you don't stand for the National Anthem, you're not a patriot. This is America, bub, not Beijing.

The rest of your tirade is fiction

Right.

Keep telling your fellow Americans that they can't peacefully protest, Six. Only YOU get to do that, and YOU get to say how and where the protest is made, and what the protest is for, right?

I've never sought to deny peaceful protests. The only people virtue signaling and canceling here are you boys out there on the left. And don't give me that ch*t that your moderate or conservative. "That federal government song" labels you succinctly.

Good to know that a fan is not a "patriot." And neither is my Uncle Jack, who, for these last 90 years and during his little trip to Europe in 1944, thought he was too. Weird.

C'mon.

[a fan]

The only people virtue signaling and canceling here are you boys out there on the left. And don't give me that ch*t that your moderate or conservative. "That federal government song" labels you succinctly.

Uh oh. You think I'm "being a moderate wrong". I had NO IDEA that you were a clearing house for how moderates are supposed to think and act. Do you supply permission slips, perchance?

A conservative would NEVER tell the Federal Government to F off, right 6ft? I'll remember stance of your this the next time you criticize the Federal Government. A REAL conservative wouldn't criticize America. Whoo. Good one.

[jhu72]

ou can't say "I stand stand for the national anthem" and then refer to" the Federal government song" and "the federal government flag" and mean it as derogatiorily as intended.

I just did. I'm making fun of you and Pete, and your insistence that if you don't stand for the National Anthem, you're not a patriot. This is America, bub, not Beijing.

The rest of your tirade is fiction

Right.

Keep telling your fellow Americans that they can't peacefully protest, Six. Only YOU get to do that, and YOU get to say how and where the protest is made, and what the protest is for, right?

I've never sought to deny peaceful protests. The only people virtue signaling and canceling here are you boys out there on the left. And don't give me that ch*t that your moderate or conservative. "That federal government song" labels you succinctly.

Yup, as someone who gets it, and is a truth teller. Oops. Guess that wasn't what 6" meant.

[6ftstick]

The only people virtue signaling and canceling here are you boys out there on the left. And don't give me that ch*t that your moderate or conservative. "That federal government song" labels you succinctly.

Uh oh. You think I'm "being a moderate wrong". I had NO IDEA that you were a clearing house for how moderates are supposed to think and act. Do you supply permission slips, perchance?

A conservative would NEVER tell the Federal Government to F off, right 6ft? I'll remember stance of your this the next time you criticize the Federal Government. A REAL conservative wouldn't criticize America. Whoo. Good one.

Well Bub you never tell the "government" to F off. You tell Trump to F off. You tell me to F off. Cradle, PB and the others trying to defend the constitution and the culture.

F OFF all of us.

But never the protestors. The cop killers. The culture destroyers. The statue and monument wreckers.

All good. You're woke and virtue signaling. You're the one dolling out virtue and ridiculing virtue at the same time

Educate us on how good BLM is for the culture.

How good it is that some radical anarchists have taken over a swath of a large American city and the Mayor and governor says "ahh its just kids playin."

Those kids are talking about guillotines and people who disagree with them.

They're urging cops to put their guns under their chins and off themselves.

All your lefty pals think its a joke. Laugh Laugh Laugh.

[6ftstick]

ou can't say "I stand stand for the national anthem" and then refer to" the Federal government song" and "the federal government flag" and mean it as derogatiorily as intended.

I just did. I'm making fun of you and Pete, and your insistence that if you don't stand for the National Anthem, you're not a patriot. This is America, bub, not Beijing.

The rest of your tirade is fiction

Right.

Keep telling your fellow Americans that they can't peacefully protest, Six. Only YOU get to do that, and YOU get to say how and where the protest is made, and what the protest is for, right?

I've never sought to deny peaceful protests. The only people virtue signaling and canceling here are you boys out there on the left. And don't give me that ch*t that your moderate or conservative. "That federal government song" labels you succinctly.

Yup, as someone who gets it, and is a truth teller. Oops. Guess that wasn't what 6" meant.

You disappeared from the other thread when I pointed out how successful you liberal racial empaths have been in Baltimore for the last 6 decades.

5 shot in Fells point Saturday and urinating and dedicating in the streets. But you virtue signal about Atlanta and Minneapolis. Way to go