Navy 2023

[essorcalveritas]

Who are the 4/5 stars on the roster currently? How many are contributing significantly ?

[Farfromgeneva]

Who are the 4/5 stars on the roster currently? How many are contributing significantly ?

I mentioned two, Airline and Bonitz. The lists linked just before you will show them.

[youthathletics]

Who are the 4/5 stars on the roster currently? How many are contributing significantly ?

14 on current roster. By my count, 6-8 are starters/seeing plenty of time. Of note, I did not see Skalniak on any of the IL lists....and he is arguably the best Offensive player on the field.

2019
smith 4 star (no longer playing)
Rentz 4 star

2020
Airline 5 star?? (For some reason IL no longer lists him as the 'then #5 recruit)
Bonitz 5 star
Swanson 4 star
LiCalzi 4 star
Craven 4 star
Peters 4 star
Jarosz 4 star

2021
Gregorek 4 star
Tolker 4 star

2022
Haley 4 star
Hernandez 4 star
Daly 4 star
Gallagher 4 star
Flaherty4 star

[TheGoat1999]

Interesting that the discussion has shifted to the number of 4/5 star athletes on the roster.
Before putting any stock into this 4/5 star rating, take a deep look into the incestuous relationship between the clubs, tournaments and those who are actually l rating the players.I think you will be interested in the overall finding. Follow the money, it’s pretty simple.

More importantly, I am waiting for the same “subject matter experts” to rate the coaches in the same manner. It will never happen due to the excess amount of money that exchanges hands between all.

The Talent is at Navy, but I think the Coaching Staff is having trouble getting the most out of each individual student athlete, PEROID.

Coaches haven’t invested in the long-term development of each student athletes instead they have allowed “special” players to play outside team concepts, team rules and this has really affected the over all team chemistry.

The Coaches are 100 percent responsible for the current state of Navy Lacrosse with the lack of long-term development of the entire Navy Lacrosse Program.

Game Prediction : Heart is with Navy, but Hop +10

[youthathletics]

Goat - I'd love to talk lacrosse X's and O's. Your incentuous comment has rang true since the 1990, if not earlier...its the nature of most sports, same with every alumni network out there. Tell me USNA alum don't take care of one another....exactly.

I invest plenty of time putting posts out there to encourage conversation on what is happening on the field of play, X's and O's, schematics, with an attempt to NOT call out players as much as possible. Did you read my post from Sunday?

I will say, having coached for ~20 years, players have a tendency to go dumb when they step on the field and forget how to execute schemes you practiced dozens upon dozens of times. Coaches also have a tendency to grossly overlook surrounding talent and NOT give them a chance on game days, for a modicum of reasons. I think that may be your point WRT "special" players and breaking team chemistry.

Additionally, I agree with you on long term development....its why I have been fussing for over 8+ years on our offensive style of play...which I stated in the linked post from Sunday, it sucks.

[Farfromgeneva]

Interesting that the discussion has shifted to the number of 4/5 star athletes on the roster.
Before putting any stock into this 4/5 star rating, take a deep look into the incestuous relationship between the clubs, tournaments and those who are actually l rating the players.I think you will be interested in the overall finding. Follow the money, it’s pretty simple.

More importantly, I am waiting for the same “subject matter experts” to rate the coaches in the same manner. It will never happen due to the excess amount of money that exchanges hands between all.

The Talent is at Navy, but I think the Coaching Staff is having trouble getting the most out of each individual student athlete, PEROID.

Coaches haven’t invested in the long-term development of each student athletes instead they have allowed “special” players to play outside team concepts, team rules and this has really affected the over all team chemistry.

The Coaches are 100 percent responsible for the current state of Navy Lacrosse with the lack of long-term development of the entire Navy Lacrosse Program.

Game Prediction : Heart is with Navy, but Hop +10

Gymmans siren call

[10stone5]

Very good posts on the talent
and the inability to get the most out of that talent.

[gymman1031]

Interesting that the discussion has shifted to the number of 4/5 star athletes on the roster.
Before putting any stock into this 4/5 star rating, take a deep look into the incestuous relationship between the clubs, tournaments and those who are actually l rating the players.I think you will be interested in the overall finding. Follow the money, it’s pretty simple.

More importantly, I am waiting for the same “subject matter experts” to rate the coaches in the same manner. It will never happen due to the excess amount of money that exchanges hands between all.

The Talent is at Navy, but I think the Coaching Staff is having trouble getting the most out of each individual student athlete, PEROID.

Coaches haven’t invested in the long-term development of each student athletes instead they have allowed “special” players to play outside team concepts, team rules and this has really affected the over all team chemistry.

The Coaches are 100 percent responsible for the current state of Navy Lacrosse with the lack of long-term development of the entire Navy Lacrosse Program.

Game Prediction : Heart is with Navy, but Hop +10

Gymmans siren call

Wow. Hopkins winning by ten or more should lead people to believe even more that coaching may be the issue. On paper, Hopkins actually isn't that much more talented than Navy.

[essorcalveritas]

I appreciate the post by "youthathletics" earlier. The issue of talent on this team keeps being brought up. My search of the IL database for 4/5 stars yielded a few more names than the previous post. This in no way reflects on-field performances or validity of the ranking system itself (just reporting what's on the web). This also does not account for 3* recruits (several additional players on the squad, who are theoretically less likely to be contributors). See for example Max Hewitt (starter) or Skalniak (who got 0 stars). One should not discount players who were overlooked, weren't rated or rated too low for whatever reason (clearly the IL system is far from perfect).

Per IL rankings below, many are starters or significant contributors this season.

Class of 2019:
Smith 4* (not on the team)
Rentz 4*

Class of 2020:
Arline 5 *
Bonitz 5*
LaRocco 4* (now 2021)
Peters 4*
Hovivian 4*
Jarosz 4*
Craven 4*
Swanson 4*
LiCalzi 4*

Class of 2021:
Hernandez 4* (now 2022)
Ghobriel 4*
Tolker 4*
Glatz 4* (not on the team)
Gregorek 4*

Class of 2022:
Garza 4*
Gallagher 4*
Flaherty 4*
Haley 4*
Hurdle 4*
Ripley 4*
Daly 4*

Botton line: the team has plenty of talent. They need to find a way to start winning again and soon!

[gymman1031]

I appreciate the post by "youthathletics" earlier. The issue of talent on this team keeps being brought up. My search of the IL database for 4/5 stars yielded a few more names than the previous post. This in no way reflects on-field performances or validity of the ranking system itself (just reporting what's on the web). This also does not account for 3* recruits (several additional players on the squad, who are theoretically less likely to be contributors). See for example Max Hewitt (starter) or Skalniak (who got 0 stars). One should not discount players who were overlooked, weren't rated or rated too low for whatever reason (clearly the IL system is far from perfect).

Per IL rankings below, many are starters or significant contributors this season.

Class of 2019:
Smith 4* (not on the team)
Rentz 4*

Class of 2020:
Arline 5 *
Bonitz 5*
LaRocco 4* (now 2021)
Peters 4*
Hovivian 4*
Jarosz 4*
Craven 4*
Swanson 4*
LiCalzi 4*

Class of 2021:
Hernandez 4* (now 2022)
Ghobriel 4*
Tolker 4*
Glatz 4* (not on the team)
Gregorek 4*

Class of 2022:
Garza 4*
Gallagher 4*
Flaherty 4*
Haley 4*
Hurdle 4*
Ripley 4*
Daly 4*

Botton line: the team has plenty of talent. They need to find a way to start winning again and soon!

They sure do! In no way should Hopkins blow them out, like they may well do.

[BlueJaySince1947]

19 - 7 Jays.

[gymman1031]

19 - 7 Jays.

Wouldn't be shocked at all! In fact, I am smelling something like this.

[Turnandrake]

Interesting that the discussion has shifted to the number of 4/5 star athletes on the roster.
Before putting any stock into this 4/5 star rating, take a deep look into the incestuous relationship between the clubs, tournaments and those who are actually l rating the players.I think you will be interested in the overall finding. Follow the money, it’s pretty simple.

More importantly, I am waiting for the same “subject matter experts” to rate the coaches in the same manner. It will never happen due to the excess amount of money that exchanges hands between all.

The Talent is at Navy, but I think the Coaching Staff is having trouble getting the most out of each individual student athlete, PEROID.

Coaches haven’t invested in the long-term development of each student athletes instead they have allowed “special” players to play outside team concepts, team rules and this has really affected the over all team chemistry.

The Coaches are 100 percent responsible for the current state of Navy Lacrosse with the lack of long-term development of the entire Navy Lacrosse Program.

Game Prediction : Heart is with Navy, but Hop +10

Nailed it with 4/5 star comment.looking at the roster with 20 plus 4/5 star players it’s more like 7/8 4/5 players.

[The Orfling]

19 - 7 Jays.

I think Navy's goalies will have a good day, and the Navy defense will step up a bit more, holding the Hop margin of victory down to 3. Would love to see Navy surprise the Jays, though I don't see it as likely.

[FMUBart]

X’s & O’s or Jimmy & Joes? Show me a good coach & I’ll show you good players(J Wooden)… schemes on O are only effective if a player or two can beat their man and either shoot or draw a slide..otherwise you’re peeing in the wind. Coaches know this and that’s why they rely on the same initiators and the other guys are either catch-n-shoot types or relay guys. A Coach can draw up the best scheme or play, but if the ball carrier is unable to get his hands free, it’s a no go.. Navy’s injury bug has crippled their ability to execute the aforementioned, imho…

[oldskoollax]

Interesting that the discussion has shifted to the number of 4/5 star athletes on the roster.
Before putting any stock into this 4/5 star rating, take a deep look into the incestuous relationship between the clubs, tournaments and those who are actually l rating the players.I think you will be interested in the overall finding. Follow the money, it’s pretty simple.

More importantly, I am waiting for the same “subject matter experts” to rate the coaches in the same manner. It will never happen due to the excess amount of money that exchanges hands between all.

The Talent is at Navy, but I think the Coaching Staff is having trouble getting the most out of each individual student athlete, PEROID.

Coaches haven’t invested in the long-term development of each student athletes instead they have allowed “special” players to play outside team concepts, team rules and this has really affected the over all team chemistry.

The Coaches are 100 percent responsible for the current state of Navy Lacrosse with the lack of long-term development of the entire Navy Lacrosse Program.

Game Prediction : Heart is with Navy, but Hop +10

who are the top 3 coaches to take over Navy lax???

[old salt]

Excerpt from today's SITREP email from Coach Amplo. Correlates with YA's observations & concerns.

-- Our goalie play has to improve. We have worked this week on an attacking mindset between the pipes and cleaning up the positioning of each of our goalies.
-- Offensively, we have to play faster. More specifically, the ball has to move and not die in specific players' sticks. While certain guys need the ball in their stick to move the defense, we must ensure that ball movement and the extra pass are our goals.
-- Defensively, we need to establish our identity and remain consistent. Consistency defensively has to be our backbone and our unit has to take ownership of that.

[old salt]

See for example Max Hewitt (starter) or Skalniak (who got 0 stars). One should not discount players who were overlooked, weren't rated or rated too low for whatever reason (clearly the IL system is far from perfect).

From Denver CO & Dallas TX, respectively. Out of hot bed spotlights could have something to do with it.

[youthathletics]

X’s & O’s or Jimmy & Joes? Show me a good coach & I’ll show you good players(J Wooden)… schemes on O are only effective if a player or two can beat their man and either shoot or draw a slide..otherwise you’re peeing in the wind. Coaches know this and that’s why they rely on the same initiators and the other guys are either catch-n-shoot types or relay guys. A Coach can draw up the best scheme or play, but if the ball carrier is unable to get his hands free, it’s a no go.. Navy’s injury bug has crippled their ability to execute the aforementioned, imho…

I certainly agree, losing 28 and 29 hurts, but they also where not dialed in while healthy(see sh%). I attribute that to a few things, but primarily not stretching the players abilities beyond their current comfort level.

Counterpoint to your comment:
When you can’t beat a 1v1, then the coach has to improvise, adapt, and (hopefully)overcome. He’s not there to just drive the bus and do the same thing expecting a different result.

- Ball movement has to much faster, currently it stalls with each player trying to find the next opportunity.
- Picks provide a half-step advantage (most of the time)
- Multiple picks in motion, disrupt defensive slide packages, create openings for the slip/backside guys, open up skip lanes, create favorable matchups due to disruption.
- Creative substitutions
- defensive transition
- more strategic wing play on faceoffs (long overdue)
- wing dodges that force defenses to make calculated decisions (how do they slide and recover if O goes topside/underneath)
- backside transfers, rather than watching the dodger or just parking waiting for the premium step down or your turn to catch the ball to just pass it AJ.
- quick designed outlets from a save, to push transition, rather than controlled clears.

Sure, they may very well be attempting all this in practice and realize we just can’t get it right. If true, then we are just kicking the can with our hands in our pockets. Which is why I made the comment last Sunday that a discussion with AD/NAAA/Alum should take place to give the Staff plenty of time to 'change' our culture on the field. We seem to be far too entrenched in yesteryear, flush the antiquated style of play of decades past, and retain 'innovative' staff for durations longer than 2-3 years; our players are the ones suffering and there is nothing they can do. Remember....they are trained to follow orders.

[lorin]

X’s & O’s or Jimmy & Joes? Show me a good coach & I’ll show you good players(J Wooden)… schemes on O are only effective if a player or two can beat their man and either shoot or draw a slide..otherwise you’re peeing in the wind. Coaches know this and that’s why they rely on the same initiators and the other guys are either catch-n-shoot types or relay guys. A Coach can draw up the best scheme or play, but if the ball carrier is unable to get his hands free, it’s a no go.. Navy’s injury bug has crippled their ability to execute the aforementioned, imho…

I certainly agree, losing 28 and 29 hurts, but they also where not dialed in while healthy(see sh%). I attribute that to a few things, but primarily not stretching the players abilities beyond their current comfort level.

Counterpoint to your comment:
When you can’t beat a 1v1, then the coach has to improvise, adapt, and (hopefully)overcome. He’s not there to just drive the bus and do the same thing expecting a different result.

- Ball movement has to much faster, currently it stalls with each player trying to find the next opportunity.
- Picks provide a half-step advantage (most of the time)
- Multiple picks in motion, disrupt defensive slide packages, create openings for the slip/backside guys, open up skip lanes, create favorable matchups due to disruption.
- Creative substitutions
- defensive transition
- more strategic wing play on faceoffs (long overdue)
- wing dodges that force defenses to make calculated decisions (how do they slide and recover if O goes topside/underneath)
- backside transfers, rather than watching the dodger or just parking waiting for the premium step down or your turn to catch the ball to just pass it AJ.
- quick designed outlets from a save, to push transition, rather than controlled clears.

Sure, they may very well be attempting all this in practice and realize we just can’t get it right. If true, then we are just kicking the can with our hands in our pockets. Which is why I made the comment last Sunday that a discussion with AD/NAAA/Alum should take place to give the Staff plenty of time to 'change' our culture on the field. We seem to be far too entrenched in yesteryear, flush the antiquated style of play of decades past, and retain 'innovative' staff for durations longer than 2-3 years; our players are the ones suffering and there is nothing they can do. Remember....they are trained to follow orders.

I don't watch all the games but tonight's game both head coaches hired around the same time, both have new offensive coordinator's, and mentioned above on paper should be even game. So why is one team on the rise?