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kramerica.inc wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:16 am For those who are interested in the hubub and different details that were initially being reported out of the Paul Pelosi incident:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-bay-a ... day-report
The comment section in that piece is wild.

Meanwhile,

Man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer testifies he was drawn to right-wing conspiracies by ‘Gamergate’

The man accused of attacking former U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer last year told jurors at his federal trial Tuesday how he went to the Pelosis’ San Francisco home as part of a bigger plan to end corruption in the United States.
[...]

He heard about one of his targets, a University of Michigan professor, while listening to conservative commentator James Lindsay.

“The takeaway I got is that she wants to turn our schools into pedophile molestation factories,” he said.
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some advice for many here from Bill Maher -


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Psychologist Stanley Milgram found that 80% of people do not have the psychological and moral resources to defy an authority's order, no matter how legitimate the order is. Only 20% have critical capacity.
Explains quite a bit. Even the cv19 vaccine sits at ~80%
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:34 am
Psychologist Stanley Milgram found that 80% of people do not have the psychological and moral resources to defy an authority's order, no matter how legitimate the order is. Only 20% have critical capacity.
Explains quite a bit. Even the cv19 vaccine sits at ~80%
That doesn’t explain anything actually. It’s a % and a tangentially related conclusion from a study on behavior writ large but nothing pertaining to the legitimacy. It’s not as if the 20% non vaccinated is the ones with critical and moral capacity in this country. You have to be thoughtful enough to NOT have drawn that conclusion but your post sure reads as if that is your conclusion.

Deriving a conclusion that the 20% unvaccinated have some special capacity and ability the others don’t is some Holden Caulfield level denial of reality.
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Kismet wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:14 am some advice for many here from Bill Maher -


If there's nothing wrong with not expressing your opinion on everything, or weighing in on every happening, remember that when you ping on me for not weighing in sufficiently on an issue upon which we disagree...upon which I don't feel like expressing an opinion.
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More Americans are getting news on TikTok, bucking the trend seen on most other social media sites

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... dia-sites/

Meanwhile....

Majority of Americans say TikTok is a threat to national security: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... -security/
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youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:54 am More Americans are getting news on TikTok, bucking the trend seen on most other social media sites

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... dia-sites/

Meanwhile....

Majority of Americans say TikTok is a threat to national security: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... -security/
Is is this table setting to justify traitorous behavior and accommodate J6 folks?
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Suppose They Threw a Cage Match Between Fascism and Democracy and Nobody Cared

Dahlia Lithwick
It’s been just a clutch of days since former President Donald Trump and his allies made clear that if he wins reelection, he plans to gut the existing U.S. government and “install a pre-vetted, pro-Trump army of up to 54,000 loyalists” to take over senior legal, judicial, defense, regulatory, and domestic policy jobs in the civil service. It’s been under a week since he announced in an interview on Univision that he’d cheerfully “weaponize” the power of the Justice Department to indict his rivals for no other reason than that they were “beating me very badly.” Also less than a week ago, he delivered his chilling Veterans Day promise to “root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, lie, steal, and cheat on elections, and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and the American dream.” The news of his plans to carry out mass deportations while rounding up millions of undocumented immigrants and interning them in sprawling detention camps, as well as his hope to cancel U.S. visas—for lawful green-card and student visa holders—who harbor “anti-American” views is also very recent. All of this is to be achieved by installing armies of lawyers, judges, and functionaries who will not erect roadblocks to such projects, as they did when he was president the first time, because they don’t believe in the rule of law as we understand it. As Trump openly described his rationale for his plans last week in the most spine-chilling language yet, undocumented immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country.” And yes, the week is only half done.

We further learned, just a week ago, that Ohio Republicans plan to try to block a constitutional amendment protecting reproductive freedom by stripping state judges of the power to decide such cases. And we have learned in recent days of plans by allies of the new Republican House speaker to reinstate the brutally repressive Comstock Act so as to further limit sexual autonomy. And today we can’t seem to take our eyes off the now-violent physical altercations happening in the very same Capitol building that was stormed by violent extremists trying to overturn the 2020 election. The cogs and the wheels of democratic governance sound janky as hell right now.
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What if the media is actually covering the spectacle precisely because the stakes—casual brutality, violence, callousness, lawlessness, and the descent into anarchy—are perfectly visible, legible, and clear? It’s hard to read any other way the current threats by sitting senators who promise to beat up committee witnesses, or former speakers of the House who elbow their political opponents, or congresspeople who say they will impeach everyone who makes them mad while dabbling in the recreational threat to shut down the government. What if the problem isn’t that consumers of media fail to understand the actual stakes of losing democracy? What if the problem is really that watching this MMA smackdown between fascism and representative democracy is, in fact, the 2023 version of good, clean fun? As Bouie puts it in his New York Times piece on the subject this week, “The mundane truth of American politics is that much of what we want to know is in plain view. You don’t have to search hard or seek it out; you just have to listen. And Donald Trump is telling us, loud and clear, that he wants to end American democracy as we know it.”
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:56 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:54 am More Americans are getting news on TikTok, bucking the trend seen on most other social media sites

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... dia-sites/

Meanwhile....

Majority of Americans say TikTok is a threat to national security: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... -security/
Is is this table setting to justify traitorous behavior and accommodate J6 folks?
No
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Up to now the American media have happily supported Israel in the current mess in that region. Meanwhile journalists attempting to report the truth have been killed for doing so:


53 journalists and media workers were confirmed dead: 46 Palestinian, 4 Israeli, and 3 Lebanese. 11 journalists were reported injured. 3 journalists were reported missing. 18 journalists were reported arrested


https://www.google.com/search?q=number+ ... e&ie=UTF-8



I'm not sure who this lady is or was but the video is very dramatic and tragic:


https://twitter.com/hzomlot/status/1726 ... _&ref_url=


Listen to Palestinian journalist Ayat Al Khadour final words before she was killed by Israeli bombardment earlier today. She knew the world is failing her urgent plea.



Supposed it was a member of CNN, NBC, or Fox ~ what would the pro war crowd be saying?
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All the major media outlets wait to hear from law enforcement. FNC immediately calls the explosion a terrorist attack at the border. Fox goes on in this vein for two hours…and then walks it back for four or five minutes. Right wing news fits the right wing narrative.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:35 pm https://www.cnn.com/jonathan-lewis-beat ... index.html

Another arrest made.
This is so sad but I will note that while I want school systems to be better places and will do some things to help if I felt like that risk was generally omnipresent in the APS school my kids are lined up for in HS I’d have them in private school before you read this note. I’m not forcing my kids to sit in a unsafe environment to “do my part” for others. I’ll vote accordingly, push and give a little time and money towards the right solutions but wouldn’t think twice about exacerbating the adverse se election at said school if it’s a safety issue.

My son just got in a little trouble for tackling two kids who were picking on a weaker kid in school. He’s got the right instincts for society except tell the f’ng teacher after you ask them to stop twice don’t take it into your own hands. But he can’t take on 6-9 HS kids capable of beating someone to death. Rambo and Jean claude Van Damme barely do that in movies.
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old salt wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:19 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:14 am some advice for many here from Bill Maher -


If there's nothing wrong with not expressing your opinion on everything, or weighing in on every happening, remember that when you ping on me for not weighing in sufficiently on an issue upon which we disagree...upon which I don't feel like expressing an opinion.
Salty, it's the pattern of your choices that people notice and critique, whether as hypocrisy or as tacit acceptance/support.

Pretending to 'care' about one side's perfidies while ignoring one's own "team's" objectively greater perfidies is easy to discern.

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One thing I'm thankful for on here is the opportunity to learn from one another, share perspectives, experiences, expertise and opinions...thank you for yours.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:13 am
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:19 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:14 am some advice for many here from Bill Maher -


If there's nothing wrong with not expressing your opinion on everything, or weighing in on every happening, remember that when you ping on me for not weighing in sufficiently on an issue upon which we disagree...upon which I don't feel like expressing an opinion.
Salty, it's the pattern of your choices that people notice and critique, whether as hypocrisy or as tacit acceptance/support.

Pretending to 'care' about one side's perfidies while ignoring one's own "team's" objectively greater perfidies is easy to discern.

Happy Thanksgiving.
One thing I'm thankful for on here is the opportunity to learn from one another, share perspectives, experiences, expertise and opinions...thank you for yours.
That and the effort to waste other people’s time by not being straightforward. Until they give up.

But at 75 if that’s not understood it’s never going to be whether just missed intellectually and proactively choosing to not understand.

I like to be an algorithm killer on the other hand, though I bet some quant with a minor in psych could stick me in a black box.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:25 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:35 pm https://www.cnn.com/jonathan-lewis-beat ... index.html

Another arrest made.
This is so sad but I will note that while I want school systems to be better places and will do some things to help if I felt like that risk was generally omnipresent in the APS school my kids are lined up for in HS I’d have them in private school before you read this note. I’m not forcing my kids to sit in a unsafe environment to “do my part” for others. I’ll vote accordingly, push and give a little time and money towards the right solutions but wouldn’t think twice about exacerbating the adverse se election at said school if it’s a safety issue.

My son just got in a little trouble for tackling two kids who were picking on a weaker kid in school. He’s got the right instincts for society except tell the f’ng teacher after you ask them to stop twice don’t take it into your own hands. But he can’t take on 6-9 HS kids capable of beating someone to death. Rambo and Jean claude Van Damme barely do that in movies.
Just awful.
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old salt wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:19 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:14 am some advice for many here from Bill Maher -


If there's nothing wrong with not expressing your opinion on everything, or weighing in on every happening, remember that when you ping on me for not weighing in sufficiently on an issue upon which we disagree...upon which I don't feel like expressing an opinion.
Boo Hoo - maybe you'd get less flack around here if you stopped trolling just to argue :oops: :oops:
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Kismet wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:20 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:19 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:14 am some advice for many here from Bill Maher -
If there's nothing wrong with not expressing your opinion on everything, or weighing in on every happening, remember that when you ping on me for not weighing in sufficiently on an issue upon which we disagree...upon which I don't feel like expressing an opinion.
Boo Hoo - maybe you'd get less flack around here if you stopped trolling just to argue :oops: :oops:
:mrgreen: ...as a WP reader, I've noticed this & am not likely to renew my subscription.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/11/ ... gton-post/

Something Is Seriously Wrong at the Washington Post

By BECKET ADAMS, November 26, 2023

The Washington Post is falling down on the job.

Its coverage of the war between Israel and Hamas has been so irresponsible, so sloppy, and so tilted in favor of the group that rules Gaza that it’s difficult to see it as anything but pro-Hamas.

If “democracy dies in darkness,” good journalism dies in the care of radical journalists and lousy editors.

Last weekend, for example, the Post published a report titled “Amid Gaza war, U.N. evacuates babies from besieged hospital,” which included a shocking claim: The Israeli army had deliberately targeted Doctors Without Borders convoys.

“Doctors Without Borders said Sunday that a staff member’s relative was killed and another wounded after Israeli forces fired ‘deliberately’ on a convoy carrying 140 of the organization’s employees and their family members the day before,” the Post reported. “The convoy was clearly marked, said the organization also known by its French acronym MSF, and both warring parties were notified of its passage.”

As if this weren’t bad enough, the total number of Palestinians killed in Gaza since October 7, when Hamas terrorists murdered an estimated 1,200 Israelis, most of them civilians, stands at about 11,000, the Post story added.

There are two problems with this supposedly shocking news report.

First, the Doctors Without Borders claim is an outright falsehood. The Post has since attached a correction to its report, which reads, “An earlier version of this article reported incorrectly that Doctors Without Borders accused Israeli forces of deliberately firing on a convoy carrying employees of the organization and their family members in Gaza on Saturday, killing one and wounding one. Doctors Without Borders described and condemned the attack but did not name Israeli forces or any entity as its perpetrator. The article also misstated the number of people in the convoy; there were 137, not 140”.

The Media’s Savior Complex Is Warping Hamas/Israel Coverage
Second, the death toll cited by the Post comes directly from the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry. No secondary source has verified or corroborated the figures provided by the terrorist group. And though the U.N. parrots Gaza’s numbers, it also concedes that it “has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures,” and that the numbers it currently cites come directly from the Hamas-controlled Ministry of Health.

(Apropos of nothing, but remember that weird media trend during the Trump administration where Trump-related news headlines included the passive-aggressive “without evidence” clarifier? One wonders why that habit disappeared.)

If it were just this botched report, that’d be one thing. But there’s a pattern now that suggests the Post’s coverage of the Israel–Hamas war is not merely sloppy and reflexively critical of Israel but actually sympathetic toward Hamas.

Recall that the Post editorial board recently urged U.S. universities and colleges to exercise more discretion when speaking out on current events. The board’s recommendation is a direct response to the conundrum many schools face now as they attempt to balance the concerns of their Jewish students with the bloodlust of their pro-Hamas faculty, staff, and classmates. It’s not a bad recommendation, actually, that institutions of higher learning focus more on education and less on injecting themselves into heated foreign-policy debates, viral news stories, and internecine political squabbles.

But the timing of the Post’s advice cannot be missed. For years, university presidents have been opining on world events and national policy — everything from immigration law to abortion access to gun violence to George Floyd to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But the Post offered its recommendation only after a historic slaughter of Jews prompted the spectacle of pro-Hamas students harassing and threatening Jewish students on American campuses. Imagine if there were a trend of white-supremacist students harassing black students at U.S. colleges, and the Post responded with a message amounting to, “Keep your heads down, school administrators. Don’t get involved. Focus on the true purpose of education!”

The editorial, by the way, came after the Post removed a political cartoon that accurately criticized Hamas for using its own civilians as human shields because staffers claimed it was “racist.” In defending the cartoon’s removal, the opinion-page editor claimed the section is about “understanding the bonds that hold us together.” It’s worth a mention that a 2014 Washington Post cartoon that is a rather ugly depiction of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu punching a Palestinian baby is still available for viewing.

Lastly, let’s not forget that the Post was one of the leading newsrooms that claimed, without evidence, that Israel had bombed al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, leveling it and killing hundreds of civilians. The explosion, which happened in a nearby parking lot, wasn’t Israel’s doing, the hospital still stands, and the death toll was possibly as low as in the tens.

A more cynical man would notice a pattern in the Post’s coverage of the war between Israel and Hamas. A more cynical man would suspect that Post reporters have a soft spot for Hamas.

But who would be so cynical?
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:13 am Salty, it's the pattern of your choices that people notice and critique, whether as hypocrisy or as tacit acceptance/support.

Pretending to 'care' about one side's perfidies while ignoring one's own "team's" objectively greater perfidies is easy to discern.
That's rich, coming from you.

I've never claimed to be anything other than a partisan Conservative Republican. I make no apologies.
I may disagree with specific policies, decisions or officials, but I conclude that we are better off with the (R)'s in charge.

You claim to still be a (R), but you never give credit to anything that came out of the Trump Admin or the (R) led House, without using it as a launch pad for another screed against Trump & MAGA RW WCN extremists.

What (R)'s still (or recently) in govt, other than Romney, Cheney, or Kinzinger do you view favorably ?
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old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:13 am Salty, it's the pattern of your choices that people notice and critique, whether as hypocrisy or as tacit acceptance/support.

Pretending to 'care' about one side's perfidies while ignoring one's own "team's" objectively greater perfidies is easy to discern.
That's rich, coming from you.

I've never claimed to be anything other than a partisan Conservative Republican. I make no apologies.
I may disagree with specific policies, decisions or officials, but I conclude that we are better off with the (R)'s in charge.

You claim to still be a (R), but you never give credit to anything that came out of the Trump Admin or the (R) led House, without using it as a launch pad for another screed against Trump & MAGA RW WCN extremists.
:lol: :lol: :lol: You used to claim to be a moderator…..
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