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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:18 am
old salt wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:45 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:51 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:17 pm There will always be more McMasters. Not every service member or vet aspires to become a MSNBC talking head.
Thankfully there will indeed be more "McMasters" and "Mattis" or "Coats" or Kelly" but no more willing to serve as NSA or SecDef or DNI or CoS for Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics ... index.html
Esper, O'brien, Grenell, Ratcliffe, Wolf & Meadows have been much more effective in implementing their predecessors' strategy than the predecessors themselves were. ...& they don't leak or cry on the shoulder of MSM suckups. You just resent their success.
yeah, toadies are better...
(Esper may be better than a toady)
In your interpretation, those who loyally serve in this Admin, stay true to their oath of office, make a good faith effort to implement the policies of this CinC & are not self-serving leakers or saboteurs, pursuing their own preferred agenda & policies, are "toadies".
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old salt wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:25 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:18 am
old salt wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:45 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:51 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:17 pm There will always be more McMasters. Not every service member or vet aspires to become a MSNBC talking head.
Thankfully there will indeed be more "McMasters" and "Mattis" or "Coats" or Kelly" but no more willing to serve as NSA or SecDef or DNI or CoS for Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics ... index.html
Esper, O'brien, Grenell, Ratcliffe, Wolf & Meadows have been much more effective in implementing their predecessors' strategy than the predecessors themselves were. ...& they don't leak or cry on the shoulder of MSM suckups. You just resent their success.
yeah, toadies are better...
(Esper may be better than a toady)
In your interpretation, those who loyally serve in this Admin, stay true to their oath of office, make a good faith effort to implement the policies of this CinC & are not self-serving leakers or saboteurs, pursuing their own preferred agenda & policies, are "toadies".
Nope, those who put Der Leader over country are toadies.

Loyalty to country, not the man, Salty...you know better.

It's really pretty basic.

so, we're seeing the caliber of people plummet.
You know it, I know it, we all know it.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:37 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:25 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:18 am
old salt wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:45 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:51 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:17 pm There will always be more McMasters. Not every service member or vet aspires to become a MSNBC talking head.
Thankfully there will indeed be more "McMasters" and "Mattis" or "Coats" or Kelly" but no more willing to serve as NSA or SecDef or DNI or CoS for Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics ... index.html
Esper, O'brien, Grenell, Ratcliffe, Wolf & Meadows have been much more effective in implementing their predecessors' strategy than the predecessors themselves were. ...& they don't leak or cry on the shoulder of MSM suckups. You just resent their success.
yeah, toadies are better...
(Esper may be better than a toady)
In your interpretation, those who loyally serve in this Admin, stay true to their oath of office, make a good faith effort to implement the policies of this CinC & are not self-serving leakers or saboteurs, pursuing their own preferred agenda & policies, are "toadies".
Nope, those who put Der Leader over country are toadies.

Loyalty to country, not the man, Salty...you know better.

It's really pretty basic.

so, we're seeing the caliber of people plummet.
You know it, I know it, we all know it.
You're just resentful that they are quietly staying loyal, implementing Trump's policies & achieving success in the process.

Your TDS bitterness is corrosive & soils every discussion.
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old salt wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:00 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:37 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:25 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:18 am
old salt wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:45 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:51 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:17 pm There will always be more McMasters. Not every service member or vet aspires to become a MSNBC talking head.
Thankfully there will indeed be more "McMasters" and "Mattis" or "Coats" or Kelly" but no more willing to serve as NSA or SecDef or DNI or CoS for Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics ... index.html
Esper, O'brien, Grenell, Ratcliffe, Wolf & Meadows have been much more effective in implementing their predecessors' strategy than the predecessors themselves were. ...& they don't leak or cry on the shoulder of MSM suckups. You just resent their success.
yeah, toadies are better...
(Esper may be better than a toady)
In your interpretation, those who loyally serve in this Admin, stay true to their oath of office, make a good faith effort to implement the policies of this CinC & are not self-serving leakers or saboteurs, pursuing their own preferred agenda & policies, are "toadies".
Nope, those who put Der Leader over country are toadies.

Loyalty to country, not the man, Salty...you know better.

It's really pretty basic.

so, we're seeing the caliber of people plummet.
You know it, I know it, we all know it.
You're just resentful that they are quietly staying loyal, implementing Trump's policies & achieving success in the process.

Your TDS bitterness is corrosive & soils every discussion.
Nope, it's that they're weak toadies.
"staying loyal" to Der Leader, not the country.
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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old salt wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:25 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:18 am
old salt wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:45 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:51 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:17 pm There will always be more McMasters. Not every service member or vet aspires to become a MSNBC talking head.
Thankfully there will indeed be more "McMasters" and "Mattis" or "Coats" or Kelly" but no more willing to serve as NSA or SecDef or DNI or CoS for Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics ... index.html
Esper, O'brien, Grenell, Ratcliffe, Wolf & Meadows have been much more effective in implementing their predecessors' strategy than the predecessors themselves were. ...& they don't leak or cry on the shoulder of MSM suckups. You just resent their success.
yeah, toadies are better...
(Esper may be better than a toady)
In your interpretation, those who loyally serve in this Admin, stay true to their oath of office, make a good faith effort to implement the policies of this CinC & are not self-serving leakers or saboteurs, pursuing their own preferred agenda & policies, are "toadies".
Stay true to their oath of office! What about The President of The United States.
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Trump is $421 million in debt.

There is no way he would be able to get any kind of security clearance if he were not president. Too much of a risk to sell information or presidential acts in exchange for cash. Indeed, once he is kicked out of office, President Biden should sign an executive order barring Trump from receiving any further intelligence briefings.

That massive debt load by itself is a sufficient reason for Trump to resign. He obviously won’t do that, but he should.

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DocBarrister wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 am Trump is $421 million in debt.

There is no way he would be able to get any kind of security clearance if he were not president. Too much of a risk to sell information or presidential acts in exchange for cash. Indeed, once he is kicked out of office, President Biden should sign an executive order barring Trump from receiving any further intelligence briefings.

That massive debt load by itself is a sufficient reason for Trump to resign. He obviously won’t do that, but he should.

DocBarrister


DocB owns a house worth $5,000,000. He's borrowed $100,000 from his HELOC.

No way can DocB get a security clearance owing that kind of dosh to a bank which may or may not be controlled by Russians even though it's publicly traded.
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DocBarrister wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 am Trump is $421 million in debt.

There is no way he would be able to get any kind of security clearance if he were not president. Too much of a risk to sell information or presidential acts in exchange for cash. Indeed, once he is kicked out of office, President Biden should sign an executive order barring Trump from receiving any further intelligence briefings.

That massive debt load by itself is a sufficient reason for Trump to resign. He obviously won’t do that, but he should.

DocBarrister
from the NY Times article, if you read that far.

...nor do the tax records reveal any connection to Russia....


So, DocB pulls a magic trick and pulls the "security clearance" theoretical :roll:

Watch this......most US citizens feel the way these two do. But, you are blinded

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising
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runrussellrun wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:24 am
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 am Trump is $421 million in debt.

There is no way he would be able to get any kind of security clearance if he were not president. Too much of a risk to sell information or presidential acts in exchange for cash. Indeed, once he is kicked out of office, President Biden should sign an executive order barring Trump from receiving any further intelligence briefings.

That massive debt load by itself is a sufficient reason for Trump to resign. He obviously won’t do that, but he should.

DocBarrister
from the NY Times article, if you read that far.

...nor do the tax records reveal any connection to Russia....


So, DocB pulls a magic trick and pulls the "security clearance" theoretical :roll:

Watch this......most US citizens feel the way these two do. But, you are blinded

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising
“Russia” does not equal Russians. How much square footage does Russians lease up at Trump Tower? It’s been published.
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And don’t forget what Jethro said a few years back: we get all of the financing we need for Russia.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:41 am
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:24 am
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 am Trump is $421 million in debt.

There is no way he would be able to get any kind of security clearance if he were not president. Too much of a risk to sell information or presidential acts in exchange for cash. Indeed, once he is kicked out of office, President Biden should sign an executive order barring Trump from receiving any further intelligence briefings.

That massive debt load by itself is a sufficient reason for Trump to resign. He obviously won’t do that, but he should.

DocBarrister
from the NY Times article, if you read that far.

...nor do the tax records reveal any connection to Russia....


So, DocB pulls a magic trick and pulls the "security clearance" theoretical :roll:

Watch this......most US citizens feel the way these two do. But, you are blinded

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising
“Russia” does not equal Russians. How much square footage does Russians lease up at Trump Tower? It’s been published.
what IS your point?
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njbill wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:47 am And don’t forget what Jethro said a few years back: we get all of the financing we need for Russia.
What is your point?
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That, indeed, the Trump crime family does have substantial financing from Russia. The “head” of the family said so.

On your tax returns, do you list the name of the bank to which you pay interest? Exactly.
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njbill wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:03 am That, indeed, the Trump crime family does have substantial financing from Russia. The “head” of the family said so.

On your tax returns, do you list the name of the bank to which you pay interest? Exactly.
Are you saying that tRumps tax returns do NOT reveal his TRUE financial dealings? (ummm, have been saying that for years )

But, coucilor, what proof do you have of tRump writing off interest ? Please provide that. Also, that Douche bank is a "russian" bank.

And ,then, explain, why it matters to focus only on ONE branch of the US Republic. Any Supremes have "ties" to foreign entities? Be principled, and call for change.
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runrussellrun wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:18 am
njbill wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:03 am That, indeed, the Trump crime family does have substantial financing from Russia. The “head” of the family said so.

On your tax returns, do you list the name of the bank to which you pay interest? Exactly.
Are you saying that tRumps tax returns do NOT reveal his TRUE financial dealings? (ummm, have been saying that for years )

But, coucilor, what proof do you have of tRump writing off interest ? Please provide that. Also, that Douche bank is a "russian" bank.

And ,then, explain, why it matters to focus only on ONE branch of the US Republic. Any Supremes have "ties" to foreign entities? Be principled, and call for change.
There YOU go CHOOSING to defend your boy Trump. You DON’T have to do it, but it is YOUR choose....CONsistently...


Collusion or not, President Trump and the Russians are thick as thieves.
What I mean is that for more than three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to the Russian Mafia held the deeds to, lived in or ran criminal operations out of Trump Tower in New York or other Trump properties. I mean that many of them used Trump-branded real estate to launder vast amounts of money by buying multimillion-dollar condos through anonymous shell companies. I mean that the Bayrock Group, a real estate development company that was based in Trump Tower and had ties to the Kremlin, came up with a new business model to franchise Trump condos after he lost billions of dollars in his Atlantic City casino developments, and helped make him rich again.

YAJLEE

You can resist defending him....even if out or “princiPAL”.
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runrussellrun wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:18 am
njbill wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:03 am That, indeed, the Trump crime family does have substantial financing from Russia. The “head” of the family said so.

On your tax returns, do you list the name of the bank to which you pay interest? Exactly.
Are you saying that tRumps tax returns do NOT reveal his TRUE financial dealings? (ummm, have been saying that for years )

But, coucilor, what proof do you have of tRump writing off interest ? Please provide that. Also, that Douche bank is a "russian" bank.

And ,then, explain, why it matters to focus only on ONE branch of the US Republic. Any Supremes have "ties" to foreign entities? Be principled, and call for change.
The tax returns don’t disclose his COMPLETE financial picture.

The proof is that the tax code allows interest to be written off and that Trump obviously writes off everything legal, some things questionable, and perhaps some things illegal.

If the Supreme Court justices were committing tax fraud, that would be important to focus on as well. I suspect they aren’t. Any evidence that they do? Any evidence that they have ties to foreign entities? If there is such evidence, sure, let’s look into it.
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Let’s go back to 1984, when David Bogatin, an alleged Russian gangster who arrived in the United States a few years earlier with $3 in his pocket, sat down with Trump and bought not one but five condos, for a total of $6 million — about $15 million in today’s dollars. What was most striking about the transaction was that at the time, according to David Cay Johnston’s “The Making of Donald Trump,” Trump Tower was one of only two major buildings in New York City that sold condos to buyers who used shell companies that allowed them to purchase real estate while concealing their identities. Thus, according to the New York state attorney general’s office, when Trump closed the deal with Bogatin, whether he knew it or not, he had just helped launder money for the Russian Mafia.
This isn’t necessary illegal but it doesn’t mean The President of The United States 🇺🇸 isn’t comPROMISEd.

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:45 am
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:18 am
njbill wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:03 am That, indeed, the Trump crime family does have substantial financing from Russia. The “head” of the family said so.

On your tax returns, do you list the name of the bank to which you pay interest? Exactly.
Are you saying that tRumps tax returns do NOT reveal his TRUE financial dealings? (ummm, have been saying that for years )

But, coucilor, what proof do you have of tRump writing off interest ? Please provide that. Also, that Douche bank is a "russian" bank.

And ,then, explain, why it matters to focus only on ONE branch of the US Republic. Any Supremes have "ties" to foreign entities? Be principled, and call for change.
There YOU go CHOOSING to defend your boy Trump. You DON’T have to do it, but it is YOUR choose....CONsistently...


Collusion or not, President Trump and the Russians are thick as thieves.
What I mean is that for more than three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to the Russian Mafia held the deeds to, lived in or ran criminal operations out of Trump Tower in New York or other Trump properties. I mean that many of them used Trump-branded real estate to launder vast amounts of money by buying multimillion-dollar condos through anonymous shell companies. I mean that the Bayrock Group, a real estate development company that was based in Trump Tower and had ties to the Kremlin, came up with a new business model to franchise Trump condos after he lost billions of dollars in his Atlantic City casino developments, and helped make him rich again.

YAJLEE

You can resist defending him....even if out or “princiPAL”.
yup.....and the more you create false defense...the more I will show the nonsense of it all. Aren't YOU part of the oligarchy? To big too fail? Hells Cargo got smaller, write? :roll:
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 am
Let’s go back to 1984, when David Bogatin, an alleged Russian gangster who arrived in the United States a few years earlier with $3 in his pocket, sat down with Trump and bought not one but five condos, for a total of $6 million — about $15 million in today’s dollars. What was most striking about the transaction was that at the time, according to David Cay Johnston’s “The Making of Donald Trump,” Trump Tower was one of only two major buildings in New York City that sold condos to buyers who used shell companies that allowed them to purchase real estate while concealing their identities. Thus, according to the New York state attorney general’s office, when Trump closed the deal with Bogatin, whether he knew it or not, he had just helped launder money for the Russian Mafia.
This isn’t necessary illegal but it doesn’t mean The President of The United States 🇺🇸 isn’t comPROMISEd.

RRRIJLEE
POTUSA only one part of our Republic. Anyone else making laws comPROMISED?
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runrussellrun wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:06 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 am
Let’s go back to 1984, when David Bogatin, an alleged Russian gangster who arrived in the United States a few years earlier with $3 in his pocket, sat down with Trump and bought not one but five condos, for a total of $6 million — about $15 million in today’s dollars. What was most striking about the transaction was that at the time, according to David Cay Johnston’s “The Making of Donald Trump,” Trump Tower was one of only two major buildings in New York City that sold condos to buyers who used shell companies that allowed them to purchase real estate while concealing their identities. Thus, according to the New York state attorney general’s office, when Trump closed the deal with Bogatin, whether he knew it or not, he had just helped launder money for the Russian Mafia.
This isn’t necessary illegal but it doesn’t mean The President of The United States 🇺🇸 isn’t comPROMISEd.

RRRIJLEE
POTUSA only one part of our Republic. Anyone else making laws comPROMISED?
Un huh. Who else are YOU defending.... I only see YOU defending Trump.....

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