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agreed.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:40 am So let's never, ever say again that Indians are good lacrosse players because that's racist stereotyping.
See what you just did? Instead of commenting on the specific content (nuance) of my post, you shut it down. IMO, you're a very scary person.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:26 amTech, what's being discussed isn't new. It's been around for multiple decades. It's just new to you.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06 am And therein lies the problem. Who is interpreting the statement and why? Any nuance and/or context is immediately ignored by people like Matnum PI and doc, who seem to be following some, IMO, dangerous new religion based on a desire to control/interpret language, in order to shut down speech, and/or grab some moral high ground and power. When a large portion of society starts to adopt this religion (it's happening folks), people will begin not trusting each other and will fear to honestly express themselves for fear of losing their jobs or being physically beaten, i.e.
If you guys REALLY want to discuss this? Ok.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06 amAnd therein lies the problem. Who is interpreting the statement and why? Any nuance and/or context is immediately ignored by people like Matnum PI and doc, who seem to be following some, IMO, dangerous new religion based on a desire to control/interpret language, in order to shut down speech, and/or grab some moral high ground and power. When a large portion of society starts to adopt this religion (it's happening folks), people will begin not trusting each other and will fear to honestly express themselves for fear of losing their jobs or being physically beaten, i.e.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:40 amThey aren’t good basketball players because they are black. Those kids are good because it’s what they spend time on. The skiers from Scandinavia are good not because they are white, they are good because it’s what they spend time on. South American soccer players are not good because they are Latino, they are good because it’s what they spend time on.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:17 amSo if an Icelander leaves his first NBA experience (game) and says, "Boy, blacks are very good basketball players.", that's a racist statement?
A high percentage of blacks, or very high percentage?
Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
Too many are too quick to holler racist and stereotyping when that just isn't true, IMO.
The statement isn’t racist. It’s a stereotype. The two things are not the same but can be conflated.
What's new is that bigotry is being confronted in a real way. In a way that few Americans have seen in their lifetime. And, take from this what want, this bothers you.
You sell me very short, Mantum.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:45 amagreed.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:40 am So let's never, ever say again that Indians are good lacrosse players because that's racist stereotyping.
(just out of curiosity, hick, you understand that innumerable native americans don't play lacrosse, right?)
Painfully, some of our posters represent a large segment of Americans, who are woefully "dense" on this topic.a fan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:50 amIf you guys REALLY want to discuss this? Ok.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06 amAnd therein lies the problem. Who is interpreting the statement and why? Any nuance and/or context is immediately ignored by people like Matnum PI and doc, who seem to be following some, IMO, dangerous new religion based on a desire to control/interpret language, in order to shut down speech, and/or grab some moral high ground and power. When a large portion of society starts to adopt this religion (it's happening folks), people will begin not trusting each other and will fear to honestly express themselves for fear of losing their jobs or being physically beaten, i.e.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:40 amThey aren’t good basketball players because they are black. Those kids are good because it’s what they spend time on. The skiers from Scandinavia are good not because they are white, they are good because it’s what they spend time on. South American soccer players are not good because they are Latino, they are good because it’s what they spend time on.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:17 amSo if an Icelander leaves his first NBA experience (game) and says, "Boy, blacks are very good basketball players.", that's a racist statement?
A high percentage of blacks, or very high percentage?
Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
Too many are too quick to holler racist and stereotyping when that just isn't true, IMO.
The statement isn’t racist. It’s a stereotype. The two things are not the same but can be conflated.
Statement: Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
This statement is demonstrably false. Start there. Start right there.
You're giving Matnum grief for calling out a statement as false. Can you explain why it is you feel the need to defend this incorrect, logical car crash of a statement?
No, Norwegians are NOT good skiers. Do I honestly need to walk you guys through the logically fallacy here?
And black folks like being told they're good basketball players and good musicians and good dancers...but stay in your lanes, keep dribbling, get off your kneehickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:57 amYou sell me very short, Mantum.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:45 amagreed.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:40 am So let's never, ever say again that Indians are good lacrosse players because that's racist stereotyping.
(just out of curiosity, hick, you understand that innumerable native americans don't play lacrosse, right?)
In these parts I'll continue saying Indians are good lacrosse players (I just said that to one yesterday and he just smiled and said, yup..kid worked at Walmart, hadn't ever seen him before) and the people here will agree and not consider it racist despite how you view it. Actually, they'll find it complimentary.
If you lived in these parts you might realize just how ridiculous what you're saying is.
Walk into you office and tell one of your Jewish co-workers that they sure are good with money....let me know how that goes over. Not a buddy that will give you a pass but someone you don’t know, other than being Jewish.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:57 amYou sell me very short, Mantum.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:45 amagreed.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:40 am So let's never, ever say again that Indians are good lacrosse players because that's racist stereotyping.
(just out of curiosity, hick, you understand that innumerable native americans don't play lacrosse, right?)
In these parts I'll continue saying Indians are good lacrosse players (I just said that to one yesterday and he just smiled and said, yup..kid worked at Walmart, hadn't ever seen him before) and the people here will agree and not consider it racist despite how you view it. Actually, they'll find it complimentary.
If you lived in these parts you might realize just how ridiculous what you're saying is.
I will start, using the skiing that Norway is known for - a majority of Norwegians do not regularly cross country ski. I doubt they would be considered good skiers.
And of those who do, it is not likely that all of them are what would be termed good skiers.According to the 2017 Norwegian EU-SILC numbers, 23% of Norwegian adults report having gone on a cross country ski'd over considerable distance in the last 12 months, while 34% report a shorter distance.Dec 29, 2018
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:46 amSee what you just did? Instead of commenting on the specific content (nuance) of my post, you shut it down. IMO, you're a very scary person.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:26 amTech, what's being discussed isn't new. It's been around for multiple decades. It's just new to you.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06 am And therein lies the problem. Who is interpreting the statement and why? Any nuance and/or context is immediately ignored by people like Matnum PI and doc, who seem to be following some, IMO, dangerous new religion based on a desire to control/interpret language, in order to shut down speech, and/or grab some moral high ground and power. When a large portion of society starts to adopt this religion (it's happening folks), people will begin not trusting each other and will fear to honestly express themselves for fear of losing their jobs or being physically beaten, i.e.
What does whether it's new or not have to do with anything? And you're wrong, what's new is this movement, your religion, is permeating all our institutions (not just college campuses) and is going mainstream.
just reading this makes me cringe...And black folks like being told they're good basketball players and good musicians and good dancers...
This is 2020....BTW, this is the best NBA prospect since LeBron James. I waited two years for him to get to the NBA....just ridiculous
OMG. A fan you don't get my point. I was not condoning the statement. I was defending the person's right to say it honestly and not be victim of some blanket interpretation immediately applied (without considering context or nuance) and brand them "racist." Now, due to this new so-called sensitivity, that person could face what are in many cases, dire ramifications for exercising free speech and having that speech misinterpreted.a fan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:50 amIf you guys REALLY want to discuss this? Ok.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06 amAnd therein lies the problem. Who is interpreting the statement and why? Any nuance and/or context is immediately ignored by people like Matnum PI and doc, who seem to be following some, IMO, dangerous new religion based on a desire to control/interpret language, in order to shut down speech, and/or grab some moral high ground and power. When a large portion of society starts to adopt this religion (it's happening folks), people will begin not trusting each other and will fear to honestly express themselves for fear of losing their jobs or being physically beaten, i.e.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:40 amThey aren’t good basketball players because they are black. Those kids are good because it’s what they spend time on. The skiers from Scandinavia are good not because they are white, they are good because it’s what they spend time on. South American soccer players are not good because they are Latino, they are good because it’s what they spend time on.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:17 amSo if an Icelander leaves his first NBA experience (game) and says, "Boy, blacks are very good basketball players.", that's a racist statement?
A high percentage of blacks, or very high percentage?
Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
Too many are too quick to holler racist and stereotyping when that just isn't true, IMO.
The statement isn’t racist. It’s a stereotype. The two things are not the same but can be conflated.
Statement: Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
This statement is demonstrably false. Start there. Start right there.
You're giving Matnum grief for calling out a statement as false. Can you explain why it is you feel the need to defend this incorrect, logical car crash of a statement?
No, Norwegians are NOT good skiers. Do I honestly need to walk you guys through the logically fallacy here?
Nobody said the guy was racist. What was said was that the statement was a racist stereotype. Sometimes things are said out of ignorance. You would hope when corrected, the guy would say, “oh I see how that can be taken as a stereotype”. But you would rather argue about such a low bar.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:26 pmOMG. A fan you don't get my point. I was not condoning the statement. I was defending the person's right to say it honestly and not be victim of some blanket interpretation immediately applied (without considering context or nuance) that brand them "racist." Now, due to this new so-called sensitivity, that person could face what are in many cases, dire ramifications for exercising free speech and having that speech misinterpreted.a fan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:50 amIf you guys REALLY want to discuss this? Ok.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06 amAnd therein lies the problem. Who is interpreting the statement and why? Any nuance and/or context is immediately ignored by people like Matnum PI and doc, who seem to be following some, IMO, dangerous new religion based on a desire to control/interpret language, in order to shut down speech, and/or grab some moral high ground and power. When a large portion of society starts to adopt this religion (it's happening folks), people will begin not trusting each other and will fear to honestly express themselves for fear of losing their jobs or being physically beaten, i.e.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:40 amThey aren’t good basketball players because they are black. Those kids are good because it’s what they spend time on. The skiers from Scandinavia are good not because they are white, they are good because it’s what they spend time on. South American soccer players are not good because they are Latino, they are good because it’s what they spend time on.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:17 amSo if an Icelander leaves his first NBA experience (game) and says, "Boy, blacks are very good basketball players.", that's a racist statement?
A high percentage of blacks, or very high percentage?
Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
Too many are too quick to holler racist and stereotyping when that just isn't true, IMO.
The statement isn’t racist. It’s a stereotype. The two things are not the same but can be conflated.
Statement: Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
This statement is demonstrably false. Start there. Start right there.
You're giving Matnum grief for calling out a statement as false. Can you explain why it is you feel the need to defend this incorrect, logical car crash of a statement?
No, Norwegians are NOT good skiers. Do I honestly need to walk you guys through the logically fallacy here?
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:28 pmNobody said the guy was racist. What was said was that the statement was a racist stereotype. Sometimes things are said out of ignorance. You would hope when corrected, the guy would say, “oh I see how that can be taken as a stereotype”. But you would rather argue about such a low bar.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:26 pmOMG. A fan you don't get my point. I was not condoning the statement. I was defending the person's right to say it honestly and not be victim of some blanket interpretation immediately applied (without considering context or nuance) that brand them "racist." Now, due to this new so-called sensitivity, that person could face what are in many cases, dire ramifications for exercising free speech and having that speech misinterpreted.a fan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:50 amIf you guys REALLY want to discuss this? Ok.tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06 amAnd therein lies the problem. Who is interpreting the statement and why? Any nuance and/or context is immediately ignored by people like Matnum PI and doc, who seem to be following some, IMO, dangerous new religion based on a desire to control/interpret language, in order to shut down speech, and/or grab some moral high ground and power. When a large portion of society starts to adopt this religion (it's happening folks), people will begin not trusting each other and will fear to honestly express themselves for fear of losing their jobs or being physically beaten, i.e.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:40 amThey aren’t good basketball players because they are black. Those kids are good because it’s what they spend time on. The skiers from Scandinavia are good not because they are white, they are good because it’s what they spend time on. South American soccer players are not good because they are Latino, they are good because it’s what they spend time on.hickorystick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:17 amSo if an Icelander leaves his first NBA experience (game) and says, "Boy, blacks are very good basketball players.", that's a racist statement?
A high percentage of blacks, or very high percentage?
Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
Too many are too quick to holler racist and stereotyping when that just isn't true, IMO.
The statement isn’t racist. It’s a stereotype. The two things are not the same but can be conflated.
Statement: Norwegians are good skiers.
Racist, stereotyping, or just true?
This statement is demonstrably false. Start there. Start right there.
You're giving Matnum grief for calling out a statement as false. Can you explain why it is you feel the need to defend this incorrect, logical car crash of a statement?
No, Norwegians are NOT good skiers. Do I honestly need to walk you guys through the logically fallacy here?
Again, I'm not specifically referring to the statement. I'm referring to where this, as Matnum PI says, "bigotry being confronted in a real way," (obviously his opinion) can lead and revoke free speech.