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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:46 am Kelly:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/19/politics ... index.html

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:43 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:46 am Kelly:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/19/politics ... index.html

In the lengthy list of stupid things trump has said this has to be in the top 3.

OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:11 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:08 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:53 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:37 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:39 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:55 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:33 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.

I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.

Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.

The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?

“And don’t forget they sell hats.”

Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.

Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.

Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.

Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.

Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,

To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.

There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.

Almost correct.

Given the war was dragging on and on, of course there were rumors that another deployment could be happening at some future point, but no one knew when and no one knew where. Walz had already deployed once because of the war, just didn't happen to be in the combat zone. Left his family and school behind to serve when called. After 24 years, well beyond retirement age for pension, having stayed in post 9-11, Walz felt a desire to serve his country in a different way, as encouraged by his students. He made that decision way before any sort of sharpening of expected timing of a future deployment, much less location, was available. And he wrestled for a bit with the question as to whether he could fairly campaign for Congress if he was going to get called to deploy, regardless of where. He realized he needed to do formal retirement because of that choice.

One thing that seems a bit lost is that Walz opposed the war in Iraq, thought it was mistake. Part of his decision to go to Congress was to be able to speak against continuing in that war. He says he felt he could do more for the country in that role than continuing in the Guard. Whether one agrees with that view or not, it's an entirely honorable position.

An he was right.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:49 pm

OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:11 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:08 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:53 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:37 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:39 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:55 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:33 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.

I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.

Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.

The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?

“And don’t forget they sell hats.”

Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.

Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.

Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.

Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.

Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,

To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.

There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.

Almost correct.

Given the war was dragging on and on, of course there were rumors that another deployment could be happening at some future point, but no one knew when and no one knew where. Walz had already deployed once because of the war, just didn't happen to be in the combat zone. Left his family and school behind to serve when called. After 24 years, well beyond retirement age for pension, having stayed in post 9-11, Walz felt a desire to serve his country in a different way, as encouraged by his students. He made that decision way before any sort of sharpening of expected timing of a future deployment, much less location, was available. And he wrestled for a bit with the question as to whether he could fairly campaign for Congress if he was going to get called to deploy, regardless of where. He realized he needed to do formal retirement because of that choice.

One thing that seems a bit lost is that Walz opposed the war in Iraq, thought it was mistake. Part of his decision to go to Congress was to be able to speak against continuing in that war. He says he felt he could do more for the country in that role than continuing in the Guard. Whether one agrees with that view or not, it's an entirely honorable position.

An he was right.

The politicians are the ones that approved sending our military in harms way. I don't know whether or not the retired SM made his feelings known to those fellow members of his unit. Questioning the nature of orders given from the top of the leadership ladder would be hazardous to your career.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:54 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:49 pm

OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:11 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:08 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:53 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:37 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:39 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:55 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:33 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.

I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.

Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.

The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?

“And don’t forget they sell hats.”

Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.

Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.

Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.

Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.

Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,

To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.

There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.

Almost correct.

Given the war was dragging on and on, of course there were rumors that another deployment could be happening at some future point, but no one knew when and no one knew where. Walz had already deployed once because of the war, just didn't happen to be in the combat zone. Left his family and school behind to serve when called. After 24 years, well beyond retirement age for pension, having stayed in post 9-11, Walz felt a desire to serve his country in a different way, as encouraged by his students. He made that decision way before any sort of sharpening of expected timing of a future deployment, much less location, was available. And he wrestled for a bit with the question as to whether he could fairly campaign for Congress if he was going to get called to deploy, regardless of where. He realized he needed to do formal retirement because of that choice.

One thing that seems a bit lost is that Walz opposed the war in Iraq, thought it was mistake. Part of his decision to go to Congress was to be able to speak against continuing in that war. He says he felt he could do more for the country in that role than continuing in the Guard. Whether one agrees with that view or not, it's an entirely honorable position.

An he was right.

The politicians are the ones that approved sending our military in harms way. I don't know whether or not the retired SM made his feelings known to those fellow members of his unit. Questioning the nature of orders given from the top of the leadership ladder would be hazardous to your career.

Some soldiers do express themselves, but yup, undoubtedly he felt that he could better serve his conscience and his country, and for that matter his fellow soldiers, by entering the political sphere and thus needing to leave the Guard. He'd already stayed in post 9-11, already had deployed once, and his views on the political decisions being made had sharpened.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:31 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:54 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:49 pm

OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:11 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:08 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:53 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:37 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:39 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:55 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:33 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.

I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.

Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.

The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?

“And don’t forget they sell hats.”

Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.

Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.

Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.

Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.

Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,

To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.

There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.

Almost correct.

Given the war was dragging on and on, of course there were rumors that another deployment could be happening at some future point, but no one knew when and no one knew where. Walz had already deployed once because of the war, just didn't happen to be in the combat zone. Left his family and school behind to serve when called. After 24 years, well beyond retirement age for pension, having stayed in post 9-11, Walz felt a desire to serve his country in a different way, as encouraged by his students. He made that decision way before any sort of sharpening of expected timing of a future deployment, much less location, was available. And he wrestled for a bit with the question as to whether he could fairly campaign for Congress if he was going to get called to deploy, regardless of where. He realized he needed to do formal retirement because of that choice.

One thing that seems a bit lost is that Walz opposed the war in Iraq, thought it was mistake. Part of his decision to go to Congress was to be able to speak against continuing in that war. He says he felt he could do more for the country in that role than continuing in the Guard. Whether one agrees with that view or not, it's an entirely honorable position.

An he was right.

The politicians are the ones that approved sending our military in harms way. I don't know whether or not the retired SM made his feelings known to those fellow members of his unit. Questioning the nature of orders given from the top of the leadership ladder would be hazardous to your career.

Some soldiers do express themselves, but yup, undoubtedly he felt that he could better serve his conscience and his country, and for that matter his fellow soldiers, by entering the political sphere and thus needing to leave the Guard. He'd already stayed in post 9-11, already had deployed once, and his views on the political decisions being made had sharpened.

I'm not sure I understand your point. If your a member of the US military and you publicly question the orders being given your in a world of chit. That is true if your an E2 or an E8. I'm certain alot of upper echelon members of the US military questioned the mission. I'm equally as certain they didn't share those sentiments with many people outside of their closest friends.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:09 pm

I love how a guy in media is saying the media won’t give you anything honest. At least he is speaking for himself.

OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:11 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:08 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:53 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:37 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:39 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:55 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:33 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.

I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.

Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.

The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?

“And don’t forget they sell hats.”

Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.

Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.

Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.

Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.

Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,

To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.

There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.

Almost correct.

Given the war was dragging on and on, of course there were rumors that another deployment could be happening at some future point, but no one knew when and no one knew where. Walz had already deployed once because of the war, just didn't happen to be in the combat zone. Left his family and school behind to serve when called. After 24 years, well beyond retirement age for pension, having stayed in post 9-11, Walz felt a desire to serve his country in a different way, as encouraged by his students. He made that decision way before any sort of sharpening of expected timing of a future deployment, much less location, was available. And he wrestled for a bit with the question as to whether he could fairly campaign for Congress if he was going to get called to deploy, regardless of where. He realized he needed to do formal retirement because of that choice.

One thing that seems a bit lost is that Walz opposed the war in Iraq, thought it was mistake. Part of his decision to go to Congress was to be able to speak against continuing in that war. He says he felt he could do more for the country in that role than continuing in the Guard. Whether one agrees with that view or not, it's an entirely honorable position.

An he was right.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:41 pm

OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:11 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:08 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:53 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:37 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:39 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:55 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:33 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.

I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.

Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.

The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?

“And don’t forget they sell hats.”

Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.

Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.

Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.

Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.

Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,

To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.

There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.

Almost correct.

Given the war was dragging on and on, of course there were rumors that another deployment could be happening at some future point, but no one knew when and no one knew where. Walz had already deployed once because of the war, just didn't happen to be in the combat zone. Left his family and school behind to serve when called. After 24 years, well beyond retirement age for pension, having stayed in post 9-11, Walz felt a desire to serve his country in a different way, as encouraged by his students. He made that decision way before any sort of sharpening of expected timing of a future deployment, much less location, was available. And he wrestled for a bit with the question as to whether he could fairly campaign for Congress if he was going to get called to deploy, regardless of where. He realized he needed to do formal retirement because of that choice.

One thing that seems a bit lost is that Walz opposed the war in Iraq, thought it was mistake. Part of his decision to go to Congress was to be able to speak against continuing in that war. He says he felt he could do more for the country in that role than continuing in the Guard. Whether one agrees with that view or not, it's an entirely honorable position.

An he was right.

If Walz was not willing to deploy again with his unit, he should have declined the temporary promotion (for which he never completed the prerequisites) & not have accepted the critical position of CMS in a deployable unit which was constantly in preparation for the next potential deployment. It was a time of war on two fronts. In some units, stop loss was already in effect to prevent retirements & voluntary separations. Stop loss was coming to Walz's unit. His artillery unit had been repurposed & retrained as a mobile transportation security force. It was not a matter of whether or not they would deploy again, but where & how soon. That is the basis of the criticism from his replacement as the Battalion CSM, the Brigade CSM & his Commanding Officer. As a key leader in his unit, he owed it to his soldiers & his CoC to inform them as soon he was no longer certain that he was willing to deploy with them again. He was not some untrained 19 year old cook who could be easily replaced.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:43 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:41 pm

OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:11 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:08 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:53 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:37 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:39 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:55 am

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:33 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.

I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.

Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.

The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?

“And don’t forget they sell hats.”

Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.

Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.

Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.

Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.

Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,

To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.

There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.

Almost correct.

Given the war was dragging on and on, of course there were rumors that another deployment could be happening at some future point, but no one knew when and no one knew where. Walz had already deployed once because of the war, just didn't happen to be in the combat zone. Left his family and school behind to serve when called. After 24 years, well beyond retirement age for pension, having stayed in post 9-11, Walz felt a desire to serve his country in a different way, as encouraged by his students. He made that decision way before any sort of sharpening of expected timing of a future deployment, much less location, was available. And he wrestled for a bit with the question as to whether he could fairly campaign for Congress if he was going to get called to deploy, regardless of where. He realized he needed to do formal retirement because of that choice.

One thing that seems a bit lost is that Walz opposed the war in Iraq, thought it was mistake. Part of his decision to go to Congress was to be able to speak against continuing in that war. He says he felt he could do more for the country in that role than continuing in the Guard. Whether one agrees with that view or not, it's an entirely honorable position.

An he was right.

If Walz was not willing to deploy again with his unit, he should have declined the temporary promotion (for which he never completed the prerequisites) & not have accepted the critical position of CMS in a deployable unit which was constantly in preparation for the next potential deployment. It was a time of war on two fronts. In some units, stop loss was already in effect to prevent retirements & voluntary separations. Stop loss was coming to Walz's unit. His artillery unit had been repurposed & retrained as a mobile transportation security force. It was not a matter of whether or not they would deploy again, but where & how soon. That is the basis of the criticism from his replacement as the Battalion CSM, the Brigade CSM & his Commanding Officer. As a key leader in his unit, he owed it to his soldiers & his CoC to inform them as soon he was no longer certain that he was willing to deploy with them again. He was not some untrained 19 year old cook who could be easily replaced.

After 24 years, he didn’t “owe” the United States government anything.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:55 pm After 24 years he might have owed the soldiers that served under him something? Three of them came back from the deployment in flag draped coffins at Dover. No word if their retired SM was there to greet them when they came back home.

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:40 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:48 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:20 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:07 pm Walz played the same game as Kerry, exaggerating & embellishing his military experience.
They were both caught out by fellow vets who threw the BS flag on them.
No amount of spin, smoke, vitriol, counterattacks, diversions or whataboutisms can change the facts.
As a campaign issue, this is not going away.

The childish attacks on Vance just serve to highlight the difference between a man who enlisted knowing that he would likely have to deploy to a war zone, & then fullfilled his duty, vs a man who chose to avoid deployment to a war zone, after he had assumed a critical position in his unit & had begun wearing a higher rank, that he had yet to fully earn. Then after retirement, he continued to seek & enjoy the prestige of that higher rank & position, which he did not fully earn, exploiting his exaggerated service for political gain. Thank you for your service, Master Sergeant Walz.

For the record, NONE of Kerry's accusers were actually present for ANY of the incidents wherein citations were given. NONE.
Shades of lying don't cut it except to you perhaps. Those are the FACTS. Yours are part of the original BS.

Read it for yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerr ... ontroversy

more about the dirtbags here - they were discredited - funny never heard about any of this from Old Saltine who is still at to this day - so kindly SHOVE IT SAILOR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vet ... _for_Truth

Sadly, we live in a country where it is SOP to denigrate the military service of ANY person running for office and often include veterans.
They did it to Bob Kerrey as well back in 2001 and he wasn't running for ANYTHING. He was accused by a single fellow soldier who wanted his help to get MoH and was angry over not getting one.

Other Swift Boats with their officers, were in company with Kerry in several of the combat actions they cited.
He was onboard with his training officer in the incident which prompted him to submit himself for his first purple heart.

NONE of them actually witnessed the things they said occurred. They were discredited. Read the links above. No mention of any training officer. STOP already.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:07 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:40 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:48 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:20 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:07 pm Walz played the same game as Kerry, exaggerating & embellishing his military experience.
They were both caught out by fellow vets who threw the BS flag on them.
No amount of spin, smoke, vitriol, counterattacks, diversions or whataboutisms can change the facts.
As a campaign issue, this is not going away.

The childish attacks on Vance just serve to highlight the difference between a man who enlisted knowing that he would likely have to deploy to a war zone, & then fullfilled his duty, vs a man who chose to avoid deployment to a war zone, after he had assumed a critical position in his unit & had begun wearing a higher rank, that he had yet to fully earn. Then after retirement, he continued to seek & enjoy the prestige of that higher rank & position, which he did not fully earn, exploiting his exaggerated service for political gain. Thank you for your service, Master Sergeant Walz.

For the record, NONE of Kerry's accusers were actually present for ANY of the incidents wherein citations were given. NONE.
Shades of lying don't cut it except to you perhaps. Those are the FACTS. Yours are part of the original BS.

Read it for yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerr ... ontroversy

more about the dirtbags here - they were discredited - funny never heard about any of this from Old Saltine who is still at to this day - so kindly SHOVE IT SAILOR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vet ... _for_Truth

Sadly, we live in a country where it is SOP to denigrate the military service of ANY person running for office and often include veterans.
They did it to Bob Kerrey as well back in 2001 and he wasn't running for ANYTHING. He was accused by a single fellow soldier who wanted his help to get MoH and was angry over not getting one.

Other Swift Boats with their officers, were in company with Kerry in several of the combat actions they cited.
He was onboard with his training officer in the incident which prompted him to submit himself for his first purple heart.

NONE of them actually witnessed the things they said occurred. They were discredited. Read the links above. No mention of any training officer. STOP already.

Here's the account of the officer who lead the skimmer mission, the mission which Kerry cited to request his first Purple Heart.
He was the originator & commander of those skimmer missions. He was training Kerry on his first combat mission.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5840657

There were 5 Swift Boats engaged in the action that generated Kerry's Bronze Star & 3rd Purple Heart.
Several officers & crewmen of the other boats disputed Kerry's account, while some of his crew supported his account.

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:21 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:07 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:40 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:48 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:20 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:07 pm Walz played the same game as Kerry, exaggerating & embellishing his military experience.
They were both caught out by fellow vets who threw the BS flag on them.
No amount of spin, smoke, vitriol, counterattacks, diversions or whataboutisms can change the facts.
As a campaign issue, this is not going away.

The childish attacks on Vance just serve to highlight the difference between a man who enlisted knowing that he would likely have to deploy to a war zone, & then fullfilled his duty, vs a man who chose to avoid deployment to a war zone, after he had assumed a critical position in his unit & had begun wearing a higher rank, that he had yet to fully earn. Then after retirement, he continued to seek & enjoy the prestige of that higher rank & position, which he did not fully earn, exploiting his exaggerated service for political gain. Thank you for your service, Master Sergeant Walz.

For the record, NONE of Kerry's accusers were actually present for ANY of the incidents wherein citations were given. NONE.
Shades of lying don't cut it except to you perhaps. Those are the FACTS. Yours are part of the original BS.

Read it for yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerr ... ontroversy

more about the dirtbags here - they were discredited - funny never heard about any of this from Old Saltine who is still at to this day - so kindly SHOVE IT SAILOR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vet ... _for_Truth

Sadly, we live in a country where it is SOP to denigrate the military service of ANY person running for office and often include veterans.
They did it to Bob Kerrey as well back in 2001 and he wasn't running for ANYTHING. He was accused by a single fellow soldier who wanted his help to get MoH and was angry over not getting one.

Other Swift Boats with their officers, were in company with Kerry in several of the combat actions they cited.
He was onboard with his training officer in the incident which prompted him to submit himself for his first purple heart.

NONE of them actually witnessed the things they said occurred. They were discredited. Read the links above. No mention of any training officer. STOP already.

Here's the account of the officer who lead the skimmer mission, the mission which Kerry cited to request his first Purple Heart.
He was the originator & commander of those skimmer missions. He was training Kerry on his first combat mission.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5840657

There were 5 Swift Boats engaged in the action that generated Kerry's Bronze Star & 3rd Purple Heart.
Several officers & crewmen of the other boats disputed Kerry's account, while some of his crew supported his account.

Not exactly conclusive. Same thing happened to Bob Kerrey in 2001.

Stop already or are you going to Hunter Biden, Benghazi this topic as well?

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:23 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:21 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:07 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:40 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:48 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:20 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:07 pm Walz played the same game as Kerry, exaggerating & embellishing his military experience.
They were both caught out by fellow vets who threw the BS flag on them.
No amount of spin, smoke, vitriol, counterattacks, diversions or whataboutisms can change the facts.
As a campaign issue, this is not going away.

The childish attacks on Vance just serve to highlight the difference between a man who enlisted knowing that he would likely have to deploy to a war zone, & then fullfilled his duty, vs a man who chose to avoid deployment to a war zone, after he had assumed a critical position in his unit & had begun wearing a higher rank, that he had yet to fully earn. Then after retirement, he continued to seek & enjoy the prestige of that higher rank & position, which he did not fully earn, exploiting his exaggerated service for political gain. Thank you for your service, Master Sergeant Walz.

For the record, NONE of Kerry's accusers were actually present for ANY of the incidents wherein citations were given. NONE.
Shades of lying don't cut it except to you perhaps. Those are the FACTS. Yours are part of the original BS.

Read it for yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerr ... ontroversy

more about the dirtbags here - they were discredited - funny never heard about any of this from Old Saltine who is still at to this day - so kindly SHOVE IT SAILOR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vet ... _for_Truth

Sadly, we live in a country where it is SOP to denigrate the military service of ANY person running for office and often include veterans.
They did it to Bob Kerrey as well back in 2001 and he wasn't running for ANYTHING. He was accused by a single fellow soldier who wanted his help to get MoH and was angry over not getting one.

Other Swift Boats with their officers, were in company with Kerry in several of the combat actions they cited.
He was onboard with his training officer in the incident which prompted him to submit himself for his first purple heart.

NONE of them actually witnessed the things they said occurred. They were discredited. Read the links above. No mention of any training officer. STOP already.

Here's the account of the officer who lead the skimmer mission, the mission which Kerry cited to request his first Purple Heart.
He was the originator & commander of those skimmer missions. He was training Kerry on his first combat mission.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5840657

There were 5 Swift Boats engaged in the action that generated Kerry's Bronze Star & 3rd Purple Heart.
Several officers & crewmen of the other boats disputed Kerry's account, while some of his crew supported his account.

Not exactly conclusive. Same thing happened to Bob Kerrey in 2001.

Stop already or are you going to Hunter Biden, Benghazi this topic as well?

I was responding to you. I'm sick of discussing Kerry. Who brought him into this discussion, anyway ?

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:25 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:23 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:21 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:07 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:40 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:48 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:20 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:07 pm Walz played the same game as Kerry, exaggerating & embellishing his military experience.
They were both caught out by fellow vets who threw the BS flag on them.
No amount of spin, smoke, vitriol, counterattacks, diversions or whataboutisms can change the facts.
As a campaign issue, this is not going away.

The childish attacks on Vance just serve to highlight the difference between a man who enlisted knowing that he would likely have to deploy to a war zone, & then fullfilled his duty, vs a man who chose to avoid deployment to a war zone, after he had assumed a critical position in his unit & had begun wearing a higher rank, that he had yet to fully earn. Then after retirement, he continued to seek & enjoy the prestige of that higher rank & position, which he did not fully earn, exploiting his exaggerated service for political gain. Thank you for your service, Master Sergeant Walz.

For the record, NONE of Kerry's accusers were actually present for ANY of the incidents wherein citations were given. NONE.
Shades of lying don't cut it except to you perhaps. Those are the FACTS. Yours are part of the original BS.

Read it for yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerr ... ontroversy

more about the dirtbags here - they were discredited - funny never heard about any of this from Old Saltine who is still at to this day - so kindly SHOVE IT SAILOR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vet ... _for_Truth

Sadly, we live in a country where it is SOP to denigrate the military service of ANY person running for office and often include veterans.
They did it to Bob Kerrey as well back in 2001 and he wasn't running for ANYTHING. He was accused by a single fellow soldier who wanted his help to get MoH and was angry over not getting one.

Other Swift Boats with their officers, were in company with Kerry in several of the combat actions they cited.
He was onboard with his training officer in the incident which prompted him to submit himself for his first purple heart.

NONE of them actually witnessed the things they said occurred. They were discredited. Read the links above. No mention of any training officer. STOP already.

Here's the account of the officer who lead the skimmer mission, the mission which Kerry cited to request his first Purple Heart.
He was the originator & commander of those skimmer missions. He was training Kerry on his first combat mission.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5840657

There were 5 Swift Boats engaged in the action that generated Kerry's Bronze Star & 3rd Purple Heart.
Several officers & crewmen of the other boats disputed Kerry's account, while some of his crew supported his account.

Not exactly conclusive. Same thing happened to Bob Kerrey in 2001.

Stop already or are you going to Hunter Biden, Benghazi this topic as well?

I was responding to you. I'm sick of discussing Kerry. Who brought him into this discussion, anyway ?

You did. When you tried to SwiftBoat Walz, while giving your boy Vance a hall pass for volunteering his way out of combat duty.

This is an election issue. Especially you and TrumpNation trying to Swiftboat Walz, showing there isn't anything you won't stoop to to win an election.

Americans are outing you and your buddies, showing Indie voters how gross TrumpVoters and Vance are.

Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:22 am Like I said, the usual troll garbage from you including the fantasy discussion you claim to have had while you were swift-boating John Kerry.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:32 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:25 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:23 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:21 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:07 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:40 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:48 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:20 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:07 pm Walz played the same game as Kerry, exaggerating & embellishing his military experience.
They were both caught out by fellow vets who threw the BS flag on them.
No amount of spin, smoke, vitriol, counterattacks, diversions or whataboutisms can change the facts.
As a campaign issue, this is not going away.

The childish attacks on Vance just serve to highlight the difference between a man who enlisted knowing that he would likely have to deploy to a war zone, & then fullfilled his duty, vs a man who chose to avoid deployment to a war zone, after he had assumed a critical position in his unit & had begun wearing a higher rank, that he had yet to fully earn. Then after retirement, he continued to seek & enjoy the prestige of that higher rank & position, which he did not fully earn, exploiting his exaggerated service for political gain. Thank you for your service, Master Sergeant Walz.

For the record, NONE of Kerry's accusers were actually present for ANY of the incidents wherein citations were given. NONE.
Shades of lying don't cut it except to you perhaps. Those are the FACTS. Yours are part of the original BS.

Read it for yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerr ... ontroversy

more about the dirtbags here - they were discredited - funny never heard about any of this from Old Saltine who is still at to this day - so kindly SHOVE IT SAILOR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vet ... _for_Truth

Sadly, we live in a country where it is SOP to denigrate the military service of ANY person running for office and often include veterans.
They did it to Bob Kerrey as well back in 2001 and he wasn't running for ANYTHING. He was accused by a single fellow soldier who wanted his help to get MoH and was angry over not getting one.

Other Swift Boats with their officers, were in company with Kerry in several of the combat actions they cited.
He was onboard with his training officer in the incident which prompted him to submit himself for his first purple heart.

NONE of them actually witnessed the things they said occurred. They were discredited. Read the links above. No mention of any training officer. STOP already.

Here's the account of the officer who lead the skimmer mission, the mission which Kerry cited to request his first Purple Heart.
He was the originator & commander of those skimmer missions. He was training Kerry on his first combat mission.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5840657

There were 5 Swift Boats engaged in the action that generated Kerry's Bronze Star & 3rd Purple Heart.
Several officers & crewmen of the other boats disputed Kerry's account, while some of his crew supported his account.

Not exactly conclusive. Same thing happened to Bob Kerrey in 2001.

Stop already or are you going to Hunter Biden, Benghazi this topic as well?

I was responding to you. I'm sick of discussing Kerry. Who brought him into this discussion, anyway ?

You did. When you tried to SwiftBoat Walz, while giving your boy Vance a hall pass for volunteering his way out of combat duty.

This is an election issue. Especially you and TrumpNation trying to Swiftboat Walz, showing there isn't anything you won't stoop to to win an election.

Americans are outing you and your buddies, showing Indie voters how gross TrumpVoters and Vance are.

Wrong again. Here's the first mention of Kerry in this discussion. Too bad about inconvenient facts.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:42 pm Show indie voters what you're all about. Tell them what you think. You've certainly opened eyes here at the forum.

You'll do anything to keep from discussing issues....Trump's Platform thread has zippo posts. You're not even pretending to care.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:56 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:42 pm Show indie voters what you're all about. Tell them what you think. You've certainly opened eyes here at the forum.

You'll do anything to keep from discussing issues....Trump's Platform thread has zippo posts. You're not even pretending to care.

I know what Trump's platform is, what his policies are, what they were & what he did in his first term, & what he would do in another term.
There's no point in discussing them here. Do you think anyone in this forum will change their mind ?

It doesn't matter. imho = Trump is toast. Even if he changes the way he campaigns, it's too late. He's blown it.
The country wants younger & change. Not enough voters care about policy to make a difference.
Kamala's last minute emergence, Hollywood makeover & MSM coddling will protect her from having to seriously engage on the issues.
She'll just continue to promise stuff she'll never be able to get through Congress. The Congressional elections will determine our future.
Trump has lost the women's vote, the way he criticizes women & due to Roe. He blew GA when he went to Atlanta to settle personal scores.
From here on out, since Biden stepped down, it's all white noise.
I just don't like watching veterans misrepresent & exploit their service for political gain.