Progressive Ideology

[Typical Lax Dad]

TLD you ask the 64 thousand dollar question... nobody in charge at the Rochester City School District can wrap their arms around what the why is. The problem is an enormous number of very poor students attending schools in very challenged city neighborhoods. Suburban schools that surround the RCSD have done very well in common core testing. One of the solutions that has been put forth is to integrate all Monroe county schools into one schools district. The problem with that is that the RCSD has to find a way to be able to teach the children they have now to make them proficient with the grade levels they are now in. This debate has been going on for a decade a more. There is no solution that any one can see on the horizon. It is a very sad situation for these students in the RCSD that are not being taught what they need to know to get ahead in the world today.

I am not an educator but I imagine a lot of those kids not performing at grade level would catch up quickly in a good environment. It’s sad. In many cities as the working and lower middle classes were hollowed out when industry left, the school system follows suit. Rochester is like many mid size rust belt towns. Working poor. Families hit up the food pantry before going to work. It is common.

Interesting that you bring this up TLD. Rochester does have the Urban/Suburban program. This allows a number of students in the RCSD to transfer to suburban schools to further their education. The downside to this is that some folks in the RCSD claim this takes more students that want to learn away from the core population of students in RCSD as a whole. The net result being that a greater number of students that either don't want to learn or have issues with learning are left in schools that are already struggling. The solution asked for by the leadership of the RCSD is they need more money to improve the schools they serve.

The RCSD has just spent an enormous amount of money to improve the schools in the city. This includes modernization to every school building in the city. Will this work... nobody knows. There was a comment in our local paper from a teacher a few months ago that gives a clue to what one of the unspoken problems is. On a recent parent/teacher night only one parent took enough interest in their child to show up to see how the child was doing. How very sad is that?
https://www.rcsdk12.org/page/713 When it is all done this updating of the RCSD will cost well over a billion dollars. Will it actually result in better learning... nobody knows right now.

It is a very complicated problem with a complicated history. A good friend’s wife is CEO for one of the largest Charter School companies on the east coast. We debate this topic often. Have a Happy Thanksgivings and enjoy the time with your family.

[cradleandshoot]

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family as well. I look forward to dinner at my sisters house and spending the time with my family.

[foreverlax]

Curtains for the Clintons

by liberal Maureen Dowd

Their pathological need to be relevant in America is belied by a Canadian arena, where stretches of empty seats bear witness to the passing of their relevance.

It’s a pity.

.....and that is the end of the Clinton's.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Curtains for the Clintons

by liberal Maureen Dowd

Their pathological need to be relevant in America is belied by a Canadian arena, where stretches of empty seats bear witness to the passing of their relevance.

It’s a pity.

.....and that is the end of the Clinton's.

Good riddance. Bill Clinton had his turn and Hillary capitalized on it. These people can charge whatever they want for tickets and people can choose not to go. Hopefully Hillary gets the message.

[Brooklyn]

There had been some discussion on another forum about wealthy Republicans financing blue dog Democrats in their campaigns for office. I regret having ignored the exchange and now wonder whether there had been some truth to it. Blue dog DINOs were a thorn on Obama's side and he did well to get rid of them. But what happens if they make a comeback and again stifle the Dem's agenda?

[Brooklyn]

Curtains for the Clintons

by liberal Maureen Dowd

Their pathological need to be relevant in America is belied by a Canadian arena, where stretches of empty seats bear witness to the passing of their relevance.

It’s a pity.

.....and that is the end of the Clinton's.

Dunno if there is any truth to this by Dowd - had she looked at the Clinton tour of Toronto, she would learn they were well received:


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... ur-vpx.cnn





and they were well received in Montreal as well:


https://montrealgazette.com/news/local- ... n-montreal

[dislaxxic]

Investigations Won’t Defeat Trumpism. Strengthening Democracy Will.

"House Democrats should focus on defending voting rights and majority rule, not issuing subpoenas to the White House."

Although as some Dems have said, they DO have a duty to investigate improprieties and they hopefully CAN walk and chew gum at the same time. Jerry Nadler, Elijah Cummings and Adam Schiff are sharp folks...here's hoping they don't over-reach, as their GOP colleagues are wont to do...

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[cradleandshoot]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12 ... -reckoning This could be a fresh start for the Democrats... young blood. Is it the changing of the guard? I wonder what the new face of the Democrat party will look like? It certainly won't look like my parents Democrat party that's for sure.

[jhu72]

This shtick is getting really old. Just one more myth. How old is The Donald again?? John Kasick is 66, Mitt Romney is 71. Reagan was 73 when he was elected and he served 2 terms and napped a lot. McConnell is 76 and Grassley is 85. Pelosi has got more energy than the bunch of them put together. But it is only the democrats who have old people in positions of power. Right ....

[jhu72]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12 ... -reckoning This could be a fresh start for the Democrats... young blood. Is it the changing of the guard? I wonder what the new face of the Democrat party will look like? It certainly won't look like my parents Democrat party that's for sure.

Your parents remember John Kennedy, he was just like Beto O'Rourke, or Barrack Obama. Pretty young folks when elected.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12 ... -reckoning This could be a fresh start for the Democrats... young blood. Is it the changing of the guard? I wonder what the new face of the Democrat party will look like? It certainly won't look like my parents Democrat party that's for sure.

Your parents remember John Kennedy, he was just like Beto O'Rourke, or Barrack Obama. Pretty young folks when elected.

You forget to point out that John Kennedy, by todays standards would have been a far right conservative. The up and comers in the Democrat party are not even last decades Democrats. They are a new breed... they are hard core dyed in the wool, the government will solve all your problems socialists. Given the absolute ineptitude of the republican party to lead anything, the next interesting question has to come in to play. Will the old guard of the FLP wing of the Democrat party pass the baton onto the next generation. The next question IMO is America ready for what the next generation of the Democrat party wants to do to America? The only saving grace for Republicans could be the bloodletting of the old guard Democrats and the new guard Democrats. No matter how you slice it the Democrats only hover around 40% in popularity in the country. That is about the same for the Republicans.

The battle will be fought for that elusive 20% that will decide every election. The new guard could be what puts Democrats over the top... or they could be the anchor that drags them down. My instincts tell me right now that the new guard is about 5 to 10 years out from making a real difference. It does tell you, given the ineptitude of the Republican party, that they can't offer any alternative that will inspire their base. What the Republicans need is a Trump like personality that does not have the temperament of Trump. I don't see anybody like that on the horizon for the Republican party. What Republicans like to do best is whine and complain about what the other side is doing. When given the opportunity... they fall on their face every time. Neither side has a vision... outside of the new guard Democrats. If the new guard inspires anyone outside of college graduates and the old hippies I am not seeing their vision. It is easy to promise free stuff for everybody. I don't think the new guard understands yet how do you pay for it. Like all politicians with big ideas and big hearts... you make it up as you go along.

[cradleandshoot]

Curtains for the Clintons

by liberal Maureen Dowd

Their pathological need to be relevant in America is belied by a Canadian arena, where stretches of empty seats bear witness to the passing of their relevance.

It’s a pity.

.....and that is the end of the Clinton's.

Not until someone drives a stake through her heart... Is that too harsh?

[cradleandshoot]

My neighbor sent me this thought for the day in an e mail.

Why should we be afraid of a socialist economy?

Because Americans want to walk their dogs... not eat them. headbang1

[foreverlax]

Curtains for the Clintons

by liberal Maureen Dowd

Their pathological need to be relevant in America is belied by a Canadian arena, where stretches of empty seats bear witness to the passing of their relevance.

It’s a pity.

.....and that is the end of the Clinton's.

Not until someone drives a stake through her heart... Is that too harsh?

Hillary is dead, long live Alexandria!!

Seem like the FRP have a new foil to go over......try worrying about someone that actually matters!!

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12 ... -reckoning This could be a fresh start for the Democrats... young blood. Is it the changing of the guard? I wonder what the new face of the Democrat party will look like? It certainly won't look like my parents Democrat party that's for sure.

Your parents remember John Kennedy, he was just like Beto O'Rourke, or Barrack Obama. Pretty young folks when elected.

You forget to point out that John Kennedy, by todays standards would have been a far right conservative. The up and comers in the Democrat party are not even last decades Democrats. They are a new breed... they are hard core dyed in the wool, the government will solve all your problems socialists. Given the absolute ineptitude of the republican party to lead anything, the next interesting question has to come in to play. Will the old guard of the FLP wing of the Democrat party pass the baton onto the next generation. The next question IMO is America ready for what the next generation of the Democrat party wants to do to America? The only saving grace for Republicans could be the bloodletting of the old guard Democrats and the new guard Democrats. No matter how you slice it the Democrats only hover around 40% in popularity in the country. That is about the same for the Republicans.

The battle will be fought for that elusive 20% that will decide every election. The new guard could be what puts Democrats over the top... or they could be the anchor that drags them down. My instincts tell me right now that the new guard is about 5 to 10 years out from making a real difference. It does tell you, given the ineptitude of the Republican party, that they can't offer any alternative that will inspire their base. What the Republicans need is a Trump like personality that does not have the temperament of Trump. I don't see anybody like that on the horizon for the Republican party. What Republicans like to do best is whine and complain about what the other side is doing. When given the opportunity... they fall on their face every time. Neither side has a vision... outside of the new guard Democrats. If the new guard inspires anyone outside of college graduates and the old hippies I am not seeing their vision. It is easy to promise free stuff for everybody. I don't think the new guard understands yet how do you pay for it. Like all politicians with big ideas and big hearts... you make it up as you go along.

Nope, John Kennedy would find himself pretty comfortable with the Never Trumpers of the GOP, but would be horrified, rightly so, by the far right. He'd recognize it, though, as springing from the roots of the racist south. He'd also find himself pretty comfortable with many of the Dem Congress folks with military backgrounds.

[cradleandshoot]

Curtains for the Clintons

by liberal Maureen Dowd

Their pathological need to be relevant in America is belied by a Canadian arena, where stretches of empty seats bear witness to the passing of their relevance.

It’s a pity.

.....and that is the end of the Clinton's.

Not until someone drives a stake through her heart... Is that too harsh?

Hillary is dead, long live Alexandria!!

Seem like the FRP have a new foil to go over......try worrying about someone that actually matters!!

Not until someone drives a stake through her heart. Maybe we can call Alexandria the vampire slayer. One thing she should never do. Never meet HRC at Ft Marcy Park after midnight for a "strategy session" Folks have been known to have a sudden and impulsive desire to commit suicide upon the request of the evil queen.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12 ... -reckoning This could be a fresh start for the Democrats... young blood. Is it the changing of the guard? I wonder what the new face of the Democrat party will look like? It certainly won't look like my parents Democrat party that's for sure.

Your parents remember John Kennedy, he was just like Beto O'Rourke, or Barrack Obama. Pretty young folks when elected.

You forget to point out that John Kennedy, by todays standards would have been a far right conservative. The up and comers in the Democrat party are not even last decades Democrats. They are a new breed... they are hard core dyed in the wool, the government will solve all your problems socialists. Given the absolute ineptitude of the republican party to lead anything, the next interesting question has to come in to play. Will the old guard of the FLP wing of the Democrat party pass the baton onto the next generation. The next question IMO is America ready for what the next generation of the Democrat party wants to do to America? The only saving grace for Republicans could be the bloodletting of the old guard Democrats and the new guard Democrats. No matter how you slice it the Democrats only hover around 40% in popularity in the country. That is about the same for the Republicans.

The battle will be fought for that elusive 20% that will decide every election. The new guard could be what puts Democrats over the top... or they could be the anchor that drags them down. My instincts tell me right now that the new guard is about 5 to 10 years out from making a real difference. It does tell you, given the ineptitude of the Republican party, that they can't offer any alternative that will inspire their base. What the Republicans need is a Trump like personality that does not have the temperament of Trump. I don't see anybody like that on the horizon for the Republican party. What Republicans like to do best is whine and complain about what the other side is doing. When given the opportunity... they fall on their face every time. Neither side has a vision... outside of the new guard Democrats. If the new guard inspires anyone outside of college graduates and the old hippies I am not seeing their vision. It is easy to promise free stuff for everybody. I don't think the new guard understands yet how do you pay for it. Like all politicians with big ideas and big hearts... you make it up as you go along.

Nope, John Kennedy would find himself pretty comfortable with the Never Trumpers of the GOP, but would be horrified, rightly so, by the far right. He'd recognize it, though, as springing from the roots of the racist south. He'd also find himself pretty comfortable with many of the Dem Congress folks with military backgrounds.

John Kennedy also said something like … "ask not what your country can do for you... ask what you can do for your country" The convoluted cluster fudge that is the Democrat party in 2018 has exactly nothing in common with the political philosophy of one John Fitzgerald Kennedy. To thrown them a bone they are still closely related to that drunken, worthless SOB named Teddy Kennedy. I guess the Democrats can find some solace there. It if wasn't for a bunch of dumbass Democrats nominating one HRC to be their POTUS we would not have Trump as our POTUS. You want to find blame for Trump being POTUS... look in the mirror Democrats... you all helped Trump win. I know you all don't like having that little bit of truth thrown in your face. You threw all of your eggs into the Hillary basket and it came back to bite you all in the ass. You only have to deal with Trump for 2 more years. Trump will never run for re-election... he can go back to NYC and his empire where the same Democrats that despise him will quietly start nuzzling up to him because they want his money. All will be forgiven... ask Chuck Schumer. I bet he is the first Democrat to make amends with Trump and his checkbook. It is amazing how political donations can heal all wounds.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12 ... -reckoning This could be a fresh start for the Democrats... young blood. Is it the changing of the guard? I wonder what the new face of the Democrat party will look like? It certainly won't look like my parents Democrat party that's for sure.

Your parents remember John Kennedy, he was just like Beto O'Rourke, or Barrack Obama. Pretty young folks when elected.

You forget to point out that John Kennedy, by todays standards would have been a far right conservative. The up and comers in the Democrat party are not even last decades Democrats. They are a new breed... they are hard core dyed in the wool, the government will solve all your problems socialists. Given the absolute ineptitude of the republican party to lead anything, the next interesting question has to come in to play. Will the old guard of the FLP wing of the Democrat party pass the baton onto the next generation. The next question IMO is America ready for what the next generation of the Democrat party wants to do to America? The only saving grace for Republicans could be the bloodletting of the old guard Democrats and the new guard Democrats. No matter how you slice it the Democrats only hover around 40% in popularity in the country. That is about the same for the Republicans.

The battle will be fought for that elusive 20% that will decide every election. The new guard could be what puts Democrats over the top... or they could be the anchor that drags them down. My instincts tell me right now that the new guard is about 5 to 10 years out from making a real difference. It does tell you, given the ineptitude of the Republican party, that they can't offer any alternative that will inspire their base. What the Republicans need is a Trump like personality that does not have the temperament of Trump. I don't see anybody like that on the horizon for the Republican party. What Republicans like to do best is whine and complain about what the other side is doing. When given the opportunity... they fall on their face every time. Neither side has a vision... outside of the new guard Democrats. If the new guard inspires anyone outside of college graduates and the old hippies I am not seeing their vision. It is easy to promise free stuff for everybody. I don't think the new guard understands yet how do you pay for it. Like all politicians with big ideas and big hearts... you make it up as you go along.

Nope, John Kennedy would find himself pretty comfortable with the Never Trumpers of the GOP, but would be horrified, rightly so, by the far right. He'd recognize it, though, as springing from the roots of the racist south. He'd also find himself pretty comfortable with many of the Dem Congress folks with military backgrounds.

John Kennedy also said something like … "ask not what your country can do for you... ask what you can do for your country" The convoluted cluster fudge that is the Democrat party in 2018 has exactly nothing in common with the political philosophy of one John Fitzgerald Kennedy. To thrown them a bone they are still closely related to that drunken, worthless SOB named Teddy Kennedy. I guess the Democrats can find some solace there. It if wasn't for a bunch of dumbass Democrats nominating one HRC to be their POTUS we would not have Trump as our POTUS. You want to find blame for Trump being POTUS... look in the mirror Democrats... you all helped Trump win. I know you all don't like having that little bit of truth thrown in your face. You threw all of your eggs into the Hillary basket and it came back to bite you all in the ass. You only have to deal with Trump for 2 more years. Trump will never run for re-election... he can go back to NYC and his empire where the same Democrats that despise him will quietly start nuzzling up to him because they want his money. All will be forgiven... ask Chuck Schumer. I bet he is the first Democrat to make amends with Trump and his checkbook. It is amazing how political donations can heal all wounds.

cradle, we've had some of this discussion before.

You are partially correct, but woefully ignorant, apparently, of the views of many Dems.
Your exaggerations betray you.

[cradleandshoot]

Ignorant of what my friend? I am comparing the Democrat party of JFKs era to the Democrat party of 2018. Please enlighten me where I am ignorant? IMO the 2 parties do not even remotely resemble one another.

[Trinity]

Nor do we resemble what you describe.