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Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:28 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:01 am
wgdsr wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:37 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:35 am
wgdsr wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:31 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:26 am
wgdsr wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:57 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:08 am
FannOLax wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:25 am Two years ago, Ivy administrators were using the pandemic as an excuse to move toward ending all Ivy intercollegiate athletics. And no good recruits would want to go to a school in a conference that cancelled spring sports! So it must have stung last spring when the Ivies did so well. Thank goodness that's not happening again this year, but the polls need to scrub away that lingering Ivy stench, NOW.
Good players went elsewhere because the schools are anti sports…..that is why the league isn’t any good anymore.
looks more like they're not closing games. and offenses aren't lighting up the lamp in the shot clock era.
I remember many people saying they wouldn't send their kid to an Ivy League school because the 2021 season was cancelled and Covid protocols were ridiculous. We are now seeing the results of Dads steering their kids elsewhere. League isn't any good.
you may have been looking in more places than me. i remember on fanlax several people saying that, and 95+% of the discussion being about the situation, the prospects for the future and if there may be an impact or not.
We all exaggerate.
what's the fun otherwise?
Indeed.
Speak for yourself. This song is really about me!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phaJXp_zMYM

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:39 pm
by DALaxDad
molo wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:19 pm I’m about the least traditional guy you’ll ever meet, but this year we’re basically seeing a return to an Ivy tradition of good but not great as a conference. The return to form by the ACC and Big Ten will make it difficult for more than a couple of Ivy teams to make the NCAAT.
I think last year the Ivies benefited from additional depth due to Covid, particularly in the mid-field, which is where the ACC often has their number. Some of those guys are now helping the ACC, so roles have flipped in a year.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:38 pm
by faircornell
LacrosseReference.com is rating Mitchell Meyers of Dartmouth as the fifth best face-off man in the country as of this week.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:19 am
by CU77
Got a link? I only can find last year's player stats there.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:00 am
by faircornell
The list was posted on the Lacrosse Reference Twitter feed. With apologies, I've not been tremendously successful at sharing links to Fanlax.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:52 am
by bearlaxfan
Fanduel has Yale -1.5 at home vs Cornell. Think this is their home field effect for lacrosse? The teams are neighbors in the national rankings. CW for the NFL says home field is 3 pts.
What about the Ivies? I've heard Ivy athletes say the Great White North trips (Cornell & Dartmouth) are tougher. Is 1 or 1.5 goals reasonable?
What about Cornell & Penn playing in football stadiums? Depth perception issues for road teams there?
What teams, if any, get bigger advantages from their fans?

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:00 am
by faircornell
bearlaxfan wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:52 am Fanduel has Yale -1.5 at home vs Cornell. Think this is their home field effect for lacrosse? The teams are neighbors in the national rankings. CW for the NFL says home field is 3 pts.
What about the Ivies? I've heard Ivy athletes say the Great White North trips (Cornell & Dartmouth) are tougher. Is 1 or 1.5 goals reasonable?
What about Cornell & Penn playing in football stadiums? Depth perception issues for road teams there?
What teams, if any, get bigger advantages from their fans?
Massey gives the home team a one goal advantage in their "Match up" simulation. So, in this case, a one goal advantage to Yale. Yale usually draws a good crowd at Reese. The game will pit (arguably) the best offense in the league in Yale against (arguably) the best defense in Cornell. Both teams have excellent goaltending.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:50 am
by PizzaSnake
faircornell wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:00 am
bearlaxfan wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:52 am Fanduel has Yale -1.5 at home vs Cornell. Think this is their home field effect for lacrosse? The teams are neighbors in the national rankings. CW for the NFL says home field is 3 pts.
What about the Ivies? I've heard Ivy athletes say the Great White North trips (Cornell & Dartmouth) are tougher. Is 1 or 1.5 goals reasonable?
What about Cornell & Penn playing in football stadiums? Depth perception issues for road teams there?
What teams, if any, get bigger advantages from their fans?
Massey gives the home team a one goal advantage in their "Match up" simulation. So, in this case, a one goal advantage to Yale. Yale usually draws a good crowd at Reese. The game will pit (arguably) the best offense in the league in Yale against (arguably) the best defense in Cornell. Both teams have excellent goaltending.
Games at Yale I watched last year were heavily impacted by the angle of incidence of the sunlight. What time is the game?

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:15 am
by bearlaxfan
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:50 am
Games at Yale I watched last year were heavily impacted by the angle of incidence of the sunlight. What time is the game?
Noon. Partly cloudy.

I know at Brown before the stadium upgrade crossfield passes were issues, the player on the east side of the field (opposite the main stands) would be looking into the sun in the afternoon. The new building blocks that, I believe. It sure as hell blocks the sun from the fans 🥶

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:45 pm
by The Orfling
Yale vs. Cornell, Tale of the Tape for Saturday's 12 noon game in New Haven:
  • Yale averaging approximately 15 goals per game/allowing an average 11 goals per game; Cornell averaging 12 goals per game on offense, approximately 9 goals per game on defense;
  • Yale shooting percentage 33.5%, opponents 26%; Cornell shooting percentage 27.5%, opponents 23%;
  • Yale clearing percentage 84%, opponent clearing percentage 72%; Cornell clearing percentage 91%, opponent clearing percentage 81%;
  • Yale averaging 13 turnovers per game, Cornell averaging 17 turnovers per game;
  • Yale averaging 5.25 penalties per game, about 4:45 minutes per game, Cornell averaging 2.4 penalties per game, about 1:30 minutes per game
  • Yale EMO 7% (1 for 11), opponent EMO 47%, Cornell EMO 43%, opponent EMO 33%;
  • Yale face-off percentage 46%, Cornell face-off percentage 43%;
  • Yale's starting goalie, 59.6% save percentage, Cornell's starting goalie, 57%.
From a Yale perspective, they can win if they (a) get a possession advantage on the faceoffs (possible but up in the air -- neither team dominant at face-off); (b) create some transition opportunities off the ride (a tough ask against a team clearing 91%); (c) create some transition opportunities off of saves (Yale's goalie Paquette clears quickly but Cornell's defense recovers well); and (d) limit the number of penalties they draw, given Cornell's EMO success and Yale's man-down-defense struggles.

From a Cornell perspective, they'll do best if they limit Yale's transition opportunities (clear well and recover quickly after Yale saves); have a good to excellent day at the X; and feast on EMO if Yale can't limit the penalties (jacked up crowd at Reese could work to Cornell's advantage in this one area).

Two good teams: this one could go either way (as was the case last year when Cornell won in the regular season and Yale got its revenge in the ILT).

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:09 pm
by The Orfling
"Orfling's Unreliable Ivy Picks" is back!
  • UNC (H) by 8 over Dartmouth (a UNC team at home gets rolling and wears Dartmouth down in the second half with depth);
  • Princeton over Penn (H) by 1 (a close call but Princeton looked good against Rutgers and seems to be figuring things out);
  • Harvard over Brown (H) by 2 (never safe to pick against Brown and the People's Goalie but with a depleted Bruno line-up I've got to go with Harvard)
  • Cornell over Yale (H) by 1 (heart says Yale, head says that Cornell draws penalties and makes Yale pay and it's the difference)

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:42 pm
by PizzaSnake
PU over Arizona.

More evidence for the demise of athletics in the Ivy League…

Edited to remove besmirchment.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pm
by FannOLax
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:42 pm PSU over Arizona.

More evidence for the demise of athletics in the Ivy League…
Ummm, Princeton not PSU! Amazing result for the Ivy. Thank you Tigers!

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:25 pm
by PizzaSnake
FannOLax wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:42 pm PSU over Arizona.

More evidence for the demise of athletics in the Ivy League…
Ummm, Princeton not PSU! Amazing result for the Ivy. Thank you Tigers!
Oops. Still smarting after the Kittens beat my Squeakers. My apologies.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:31 am
by FannOLax
So psyched for League play! After a rough stretch of OOC games, the Ivy may well get less than half as many teams into the NCAA dance this year, which should make conference play all the more intense. Here's hoping for three terrific, injury-free IL games today and a Dartmouth win tomorrow. Let the conference games begin!

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:21 pm
by 10stone5
Handley wins it in overtime,
9-8.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:24 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
10stone5 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:21 pm Handley wins it in overtime,
9-8.
Unproductive end of game situations past two weeks cost the Tigers. Handley delivered when he had to. Good win for Penn.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:41 pm
by faircornell
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:24 pm
10stone5 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:21 pm Handley wins it in overtime,
9-8.
Unproductive end of game situations past two weeks cost the Tigers. Handley delivered when he had to. Good win for Penn.
Unreal shot by Handley at the buzzer.

Princeton's offensive sets/plays are too complicated. The offense runs all over the field and they miss passes on the run and take wild shots.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:01 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
faircornell wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:41 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:24 pm
10stone5 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:21 pm Handley wins it in overtime,
9-8.
Unproductive end of game situations past two weeks cost the Tigers. Handley delivered when he had to. Good win for Penn.
Unreal shot by Handley at the buzzer.

Princeton's offensive sets/plays are too complicated. The offense runs all over the field and they miss passes on the run and take wild shots.
I took a quick look (I know stats are deceiving)….Princeton shoots a higher percentage and has less TOs than Cornell. Princeton also facing off at a higher percentage….I wouldn’t have guess these things. Penalty minutes seems to be killing Princeton also….23 minutes in penalties and teams converting 52% of the time. It will cost you in close games.

Re: Ivy League 2023

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:05 pm
by CU77
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:01 pm I took a quick look (I know stats are deceiving)….Princeton shoots a higher percentage and has less TOs than Cornell. I wouldn’t have guess that.
For stats before today, I'm not suprised. Cornell O came to life today with Michael Long playing for the first time this season plus some juggling of the mid lines.