tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm
Disagree. Nothing affects society, culture, the mental health of the nation like the internet and the few giants that control it.
It's incomparable IMO.
Well, if that's what you believe, vote for very liberal Democrats every chance you get. No one else is going to dismantle these companies.
Bernie has been telling you this his entire career. Vote for leaders like Bernie....
I'm visualizing the day Bernie shows up at your door and starts dictating to you, the capitalist pig that you are, how to run your bidness. Then he will hop into a hot tub and demand samples of your silver tree vodka so he can decide how much you owe in reperations to the Russians.
The capitalist pigs and the Puritans already beat Bernie to the punch decades ago re: alcohol regulation and shakedowns.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm
Disagree. Nothing affects society, culture, the mental health of the nation like the internet and the few giants that control it.
It's incomparable IMO.
Well, if that's what you believe, vote for very liberal Democrats every chance you get. No one else is going to dismantle these companies.
Bernie has been telling you this his entire career. Vote for leaders like Bernie....
I'm visualizing the day Bernie shows up at your door and starts dictating to you, the capitalist pig that you are, how to run your bidness. Then he will hop into a hot tub and demand samples of your silver tree vodka so he can decide how much you owe in reperations to the Russians.
The capitalist pigs and the Puritans already beat Bernie to the punch decades ago re: alcohol regulation and shakedowns.
Come on, can't you let an old guy have a little bit of fun.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm
Disagree. Nothing affects society, culture, the mental health of the nation like the internet and the few giants that control it.
It's incomparable IMO.
Well, if that's what you believe, vote for very liberal Democrats every chance you get. No one else is going to dismantle these companies.
Bernie has been telling you this his entire career. Vote for leaders like Bernie....
I'm visualizing the day Bernie shows up at your door and starts dictating to you, the capitalist pig that you are, how to run your bidness. Then he will hop into a hot tub and demand samples of your silver tree vodka so he can decide how much you owe in reperations to the Russians.
The capitalist pigs and the Puritans already beat Bernie to the punch decades ago re: alcohol regulation and shakedowns.
Come on, can't you let an old guy have a little bit of fun.
Ok, fine. But not on Sundays before noon and not after midnight.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm
Disagree. Nothing affects society, culture, the mental health of the nation like the internet and the few giants that control it.
It's incomparable IMO.
Well, if that's what you believe, vote for very liberal Democrats every chance you get. No one else is going to dismantle these companies.
Bernie has been telling you this his entire career. Vote for leaders like Bernie....
I'm visualizing the day Bernie shows up at your door and starts dictating to you, the capitalist pig that you are, how to run your bidness. Then he will hop into a hot tub and demand samples of your silver tree vodka so he can decide how much you owe in reperations to the Russians.
Bernie ain't the problem, my friend. Know who REALLY f's with us? Each State, regardless of party. I WISH all we had to deal with was the Federal government. They are, believe it or not, 1000% times more efficient than the States we deal with. More professional. More fair.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm
Disagree. Nothing affects society, culture, the mental health of the nation like the internet and the few giants that control it.
It's incomparable IMO.
Well, if that's what you believe, vote for very liberal Democrats every chance you get. No one else is going to dismantle these companies.
Bernie has been telling you this his entire career. Vote for leaders like Bernie....
I'm visualizing the day Bernie shows up at your door and starts dictating to you, the capitalist pig that you are, how to run your bidness. Then he will hop into a hot tub and demand samples of your silver tree vodka so he can decide how much you owe in reperations to the Russians.
The capitalist pigs and the Puritans already beat Bernie to the punch decades ago re: alcohol regulation and shakedowns.
Come on, can't you let an old guy have a little bit of fun.
Ok, fine. But not on Sundays before noon and not after midnight.
Still can’t buy booze outside of bars after midnight sat night in Atlanta. Dekalb county does allow bars to be open until 3 though very few exceptions, thinking of this “industry” (lot of tattoos) bar open late by Agnes Scott college I once took a horrified white shoe good old boy bank CEO once. He wanted to keep drinking and who am I to deny a client his wishes.
At least in NYC if you lived there (Manhattan for me) as the local bodegas got to know you from coming by they’d eventually sell you beer anytime and just be low key and bag it up well.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm
Disagree. Nothing affects society, culture, the mental health of the nation like the internet and the few giants that control it.
It's incomparable IMO.
Well, if that's what you believe, vote for very liberal Democrats every chance you get. No one else is going to dismantle these companies.
Bernie has been telling you this his entire career. Vote for leaders like Bernie....
I'm visualizing the day Bernie shows up at your door and starts dictating to you, the capitalist pig that you are, how to run your bidness. Then he will hop into a hot tub and demand samples of your silver tree vodka so he can decide how much you owe in reperations to the Russians.
Bernie ain't the problem, my friend. Know who REALLY f's with us? Each State, regardless of party. I WISH all we had to deal with was the Federal government. They are, believe it or not, 1000% times more efficient than the States we deal with. More professional. More fair.
I don't know. I have done installations at countless bars and restaurants where the owners have been broken down to tears trying to fight with the NYS liquor authority to get their license to serve alcohol. It takes months of bootlicking and ass kissing and begging and pleading to get that shingle to hang behind your bar. And you forget all the money you have to dole out. Outside of all that, it is a piece of cake.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:14 pm
by a fan
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:03 pm
I don't know. I have done installations at countless bars and restaurants where the owners have been broken down to tears trying to fight with the NYS liquor authority to get their license to serve alcohol. It takes months of bootlicking and ass kissing and begging and pleading to get that shingle to hang behind your bar. And you forget all the money you have to dole out. Outside of all that, it is a piece of cake.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm
Disagree. Nothing affects society, culture, the mental health of the nation like the internet and the few giants that control it.
It's incomparable IMO.
Well, if that's what you believe, vote for very liberal Democrats every chance you get. No one else is going to dismantle these companies.
Bernie has been telling you this his entire career. Vote for leaders like Bernie....
I'm visualizing the day Bernie shows up at your door and starts dictating to you, the capitalist pig that you are, how to run your bidness. Then he will hop into a hot tub and demand samples of your silver tree vodka so he can decide how much you owe in reperations to the Russians.
The capitalist pigs and the Puritans already beat Bernie to the punch decades ago re: alcohol regulation and shakedowns.
Come on, can't you let an old guy have a little bit of fun.
Ok, fine. But not on Sundays before noon and not after midnight.
Still can’t buy booze outside of bars after midnight sat night in Atlanta. Dekalb county does allow bars to be open until 3 though very few exceptions, thinking of this “industry” (lot of tattoos) bar open late by Agnes Scott college I once took a horrified white shoe good old boy bank CEO once. He wanted to keep drinking and who am I to deny a client his wishes.
At least in NYC if you lived there (Manhattan for me) as the local bodegas got to know you from coming by they’d eventually sell you beer anytime and just be low key and bag it up well.
One of the historically largest adjustments to the repeal of Prohibition - bars actually had to keep regular hours and CLOSE by a certain time.
When booze was illegal speakeasies could and often were open 24/7. All Day, every day.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:00 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Not for everyone, one out of touch multi handle person will rage about something just because, but if you haven’t seen /heard this, a guy named Lil Dickey has this funny song called classic male pregame where they end up get to my too drunk to make it out to the bars before closing time.
"Minneapolis has experienced a spike in violent crime over the last year, causing many residents to insist the city hire more police officers instead of working to dismantle the department."
Unreal... who's left to hire? Good thinking progressives
"Minneapolis has experienced a spike in violent crime over the last year, causing many residents to insist the city hire more police officers instead of working to dismantle the department."
Unreal... who's left to hire? Good thinking progressives
I guess if you want to re-invent police officers you have to re-invent criminals as well. I'm guessing the crooks are still using the same old playbook they always have.
Here is an example of a FLP approved approach towards policing
Officer: drop the gun now!
Crook: I don't wanna and you can't make me!
Officer: well, okay this time but next time you have to obey my lawful order
Crook: go pound sand cop, I gotta grocery store to rob.
Officer: okay but don't hurt anybody.. you promise?
"Minneapolis has experienced a spike in violent crime over the last year, causing many residents to insist the city hire more police officers instead of working to dismantle the department."
Unreal... who's left to hire? Good thinking progressives
The era of everyone gets a trophy has come full circle. As Mike Tyson said.... "everyone has a plan, until you get punched in the mouth". Not discounting the need to help those that need it. but What the heck did they think.
From early September.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:50 am
by dislaxxic
Using the term "working to dismantle the department" shows how clueless and egregiously partisan this newspaper writer is. OF COURSE language like that is going to inflame passions about the entire subject...in a negative and very harmful way.
From the beginning, the whole "defund the police" issue has been mis-used and ABUSED by authoritarian whackjob types who would much rather just fill up the private prison system with people they are afraid of.
At the risk of over-simplifying it, for the more nuance-challenged among us, think of it this way...sending a gun-toting uniformed policeman into EVERY situation that demands an immediate response, understanding that there is a lot of uncertainty in just what may be happening, MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPROACH in every case. Some would say, "just get AUTHORITY in there to put down the threat, whatever it is!"
Moving funding around to focus on different approaches to community policing/threat assessment/domestic disturbance/social services is not a bad idea, in this progressive's mind.
Watching "conservatives" mangle the issue for partisan reasons is troubling, but not at all surprising...
..
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:48 am
by cradleandshoot
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:50 am
Using the term "working to dismantle the department" shows how clueless and egregiously partisan this newspaper writer is. OF COURSE language like that is going to inflame passions about the entire subject...in a negative and very harmful way.
From the beginning, the whole "defund the police" issue has been mis-used and ABUSED by authoritarian whackjob types who would much rather just fill up the private prison system with people they are afraid of.
At the risk of over-simplifying it, for the more nuance-challenged among us, think of it this way...sending a gun-toting uniformed policeman into EVERY situation that demands an immediate response, understanding that there is a lot of uncertainty in just what may be happening, MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPROACH in every case. Some would say, "just get AUTHORITY in there to put down the threat, whatever it is!"
Moving funding around to focus on different approaches to community policing/threat assessment/domestic disturbance/social services is not a bad idea, in this progressive's mind.
Watching "conservatives" mangle the issue for partisan reasons is troubling, but not at all surprising...
..
Mr Dis, the conservatives did not coin the phrase "defund the police" The people who came up with the term should have thought out what it was they wanted. The objective of trying to get the proper response to the call for help is a very good objective. The problem is now the folks at 911 have to be very astute in how they triage the calls coming in. Is Uncle Joe just depressed and claiming to be suicidal or is he sitting at the kitchen table with a gun to his head? Sending the public health response team to the wrong call could be as foolhardy as sending the police. I'm thinking that the PHR teams should have police back up if needed, but they should be the first persons in the door to actually assess what the situation is.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:53 am
by MDlaxfan76
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:50 am
Using the term "working to dismantle the department" shows how clueless and egregiously partisan this newspaper writer is. OF COURSE language like that is going to inflame passions about the entire subject...in a negative and very harmful way.
From the beginning, the whole "defund the police" issue has been mis-used and ABUSED by authoritarian whackjob types who would much rather just fill up the private prison system with people they are afraid of.
At the risk of over-simplifying it, for the more nuance-challenged among us, think of it this way...sending a gun-toting uniformed policeman into EVERY situation that demands an immediate response, understanding that there is a lot of uncertainty in just what may be happening, MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPROACH in every case. Some would say, "just get AUTHORITY in there to put down the threat, whatever it is!"
Moving funding around to focus on different approaches to community policing/threat assessment/domestic disturbance/social services is not a bad idea, in this progressive's mind.
Watching "conservatives" mangle the issue for partisan reasons is troubling, but not at all surprising...
..
That said, the "mistake" in all this is that may require more funding at first to achieve the better outcomes, but pay off with less incarceration, less hostility between community and police.
However, I continue to think that there won't be a huge breakthrough until drug usage is decriminalized, treated vigorously as a public health issue, and the value of a street corner goes to near nothing as a result. Huge payoff in less incarceration and less violence on the streets for both residents and police.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:02 am
by runrussellrun
with friends like this.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:52 am
by MDlaxfan76
Was that supposed to have a relationship with my post RRR, or were you just gonna rant, 'cause ranters gonna rant?
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:50 am
Using the term "working to dismantle the department" shows how clueless and egregiously partisan this newspaper writer is. OF COURSE language like that is going to inflame passions about the entire subject...in a negative and very harmful way.
From the beginning, the whole "defund the police" issue has been mis-used and ABUSED by authoritarian whackjob types who would much rather just fill up the private prison system with people they are afraid of.
At the risk of over-simplifying it, for the more nuance-challenged among us, think of it this way...sending a gun-toting uniformed policeman into EVERY situation that demands an immediate response, understanding that there is a lot of uncertainty in just what may be happening, MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPROACH in every case. Some would say, "just get AUTHORITY in there to put down the threat, whatever it is!"
Moving funding around to focus on different approaches to community policing/threat assessment/domestic disturbance/social services is not a bad idea, in this progressive's mind.
Watching "conservatives" mangle the issue for partisan reasons is troubling, but not at all surprising...
..
That said, the "mistake" in all this is that may require more funding at first to achieve the better outcomes, but pay off with less incarceration, less hostility between community and police.
However, I continue to think that there won't be a huge breakthrough until drug usage is decriminalized, treated vigorously as a public health issue, and the value of a street corner goes to near nothing as a result. Huge payoff in less incarceration and less violence on the streets for both residents and police.
Can you define more clearly what you mean by de criminalize? Is that just for possession or does that include making it legal for corner street dealers? You can treat it as a health crisis all day long but you are only fooling yourself. I don't know if you have ever witnessed someone you love that has the monkey on their back. They will tell you with a sincere and strait face they want to quit. Before my best friends heart exploded from his cocaine addiction years ago, I use to believe him. When you have gone through more than a dozen drug rehabs chances are you are a dead man walking. These people will lie to your face. The only thing they want is to get high. Who ever goes down with them is immaterial to them getting high. One time my friend had gotten out of rehab with big plans to see his kids on Christmas Eve and bring them presents. His ex wife called me that evening wanting to know if I had seen him. His son and daughter were outside on the front porch crying their eyes out waiting for him to show up. Yeah you just treat it real vigorously as a medical problem. I went with my buddy a couple of times to the meetings they had at Park Ridge Chemical Dendancy. One thing the lady said that night while talking to these people. She told them flat out that out of a hundred of them only one would still be drug free in five years. She was more than right in my friends case. He was dead before that 5 year mark ever arrived. Drug addicts wear tear your heart to pieces because you really want to believe they want to quit. Outside of a miracle and some sort of divine intervention, they never quit.
Looks like King Andy stopped just short of grabbin em by their p***y. He was a real gentleman who preferred sticking his tongue down the ladies throats. Nice guy the King is... really nice guy
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:50 am
Using the term "working to dismantle the department" shows how clueless and egregiously partisan this newspaper writer is. OF COURSE language like that is going to inflame passions about the entire subject...in a negative and very harmful way.
From the beginning, the whole "defund the police" issue has been mis-used and ABUSED by authoritarian whackjob types who would much rather just fill up the private prison system with people they are afraid of.
At the risk of over-simplifying it, for the more nuance-challenged among us, think of it this way...sending a gun-toting uniformed policeman into EVERY situation that demands an immediate response, understanding that there is a lot of uncertainty in just what may be happening, MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPROACH in every case. Some would say, "just get AUTHORITY in there to put down the threat, whatever it is!"
Moving funding around to focus on different approaches to community policing/threat assessment/domestic disturbance/social services is not a bad idea, in this progressive's mind.
Watching "conservatives" mangle the issue for partisan reasons is troubling, but not at all surprising...
..
That said, the "mistake" in all this is that may require more funding at first to achieve the better outcomes, but pay off with less incarceration, less hostility between community and police.
However, I continue to think that there won't be a huge breakthrough until drug usage is decriminalized, treated vigorously as a public health issue, and the value of a street corner goes to near nothing as a result. Huge payoff in less incarceration and less violence on the streets for both residents and police.
Can you define more clearly what you mean by de criminalize? Is that just for possession or does that include making it legal for corner street dealers? You can treat it as a health crisis all day long but you are only fooling yourself. I don't know if you have ever witnessed someone you love that has the monkey on their back. They will tell you with a sincere and strait face they want to quit. Before my best friends heart exploded from his cocaine addiction years ago, I use to believe him. When you have gone through more than a dozen drug rehabs chances are you are a dead man walking. These people will lie to your face. The only thing they want is to get high. Who ever goes down with them is immaterial to them getting high. One time my friend had gotten out of rehab with big plans to see his kids on Christmas Eve and bring them presents. His ex wife called me that evening wanting to know if I had seen him. His son and daughter were outside on the front porch crying their eyes out waiting for him to show up. Yeah you just treat it real vigorously as a medical problem. I went with my buddy a couple of times to the meetings they had at Park Ridge Chemical Dendancy. One thing the lady said that night while talking to these people. She told them flat out that out of a hundred of them only one would still be drug free in five years. She was more than right in my friends case. He was dead before that 5 year mark ever arrived. Drug addicts wear tear your heart to pieces because you really want to believe they want to quit. Outside of a miracle and some sort of divine intervention, they never quit.
Outside of all that, it is a piece of cake.
