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Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:02 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:40 am
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:06 pm
DMac wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 7:50 am I've watched this for many, many years with Vietnam Veteran hat wearers. I know that they (most of them) think that most people are going to think that they're real bad aszez who experienced the likes of Hamburger Hill combat and were lucky to survive because of that hat. A lot of them like to play on people's ignorance...they aint gonna bullschidt me though and they know it a couple of minutes into a conversation (and yes, I will engage with damn near every one of them I see). A couple of years back an old timer pulled up to the grocery store with his MARINES bumper sticker on his car. When he got out I said, uh oh, hide the women and children, the Marines are in town! Turns out he was sniper who did two tours in Vietnam and said he loved it. He was unquestionably the real deal, had a real nice chat with the guy. Sometimes you do run into the guys who actually did do what the ignorant assume all do.
BZ Dmac. Well said. Keep calling out the posers & imposters.

When asked if I served "during Vietnam", I could truthfully reply that I served "during the Vietnam era".

Instead, I reply == "I served while we were at war in Vietnam. I was in the training pipeline to go, but the unit I was headed for began shutting down before I began that training, so I did not serve in the war zone".

I don't wear a Vietnam Veteran ball cap....even though I had to complete SERE school before my first deployment.
Yeah, did you notice that Vance has pulled this cr*p, Dmac? In his video where he went after Walz, he claimed to have taken the call as a Marine in Iraq, and intentionally left out that he wasn't in combat?

This story may not be of interest to some here, but it's of interest to me that Vance is holding himself up to voters as a war hero while he attacks Vance's service. Vance knows perfectly well that folks aren't going to do the research to find out he wasn't in combat.....so he just implies he was fighting in Iraq and lets voters fill in the blanks.

All for political gain. Shame on him.
Vance has gone out if his way to convey that he did not serve in combat, starting with his book, before he entered politics & several times since. Walz has not.
Have you seen any clips where an interviewer mistakenly misstated Vance's service & he did not correct it ? Walz just nodded in agreement.

Walz is a gifted politician & a master communicator. He knows how to refer to his service in ways that do not leave misperceptions.
He has neglected to so so, Vance has not. Walz's artful omissions would not have stood under Dmac's parking lot interrogation.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am
by DMac
Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:06 am
by Typical Lax Dad
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.
Anyone here deny someone can misinterpret something? I know someone that has denied the possibility of someone implying something….more than once….even wants to change the definition of Implying.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:08 am
by a fan
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.
That's right on both counts. Yet Old Salt has told us to go after these fakes the minute they try and serve their country in politics.

I'm going to do as I'm told...go after the Vets, and give Trump and Kamala a pass.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:08 am
by old salt
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:12 am C'mon, salty, you're putting stock in what this guy has to say?
Was quit just a slip of the tongue when he meant to say retired?
Stripped of his rank? That has connotations of something other than
what actually happened, no? Quit early to avoid the Iraq war, or
retired because he saw it as the right time for his future plans?

Here's more from this guy:
Jordan Schachtel @ dossier.today
@JordanSchachtel
·
Jul 23
Two political candidates to choose from.

Donald Trump has 5 children and 10 grandchidren. He has a legacy to protect.

Kamala Harris has no children, little interest in religion, motivated by raw power, & no interest in anything beyond her life on this earth.

Seems significant!
Deep thinking, brilliant stuff (as if Trump has any interest in anything beyond himself :roll: )

Haven't seen anything on exact dates but I'm not buying his 45 day claims.
You, no doubt, would have heard all about that already were it fact.
I would not have put it in those terms, but are the dates accurate ? How long did Walz wear the rank of CSM & how long did he officially fill the CSM position in his unit ?

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:10 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:08 am
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.
That's right on both counts. Yet Old Salt has told us to go after these fakes the minute they try and serve their country in politics.

I'm going to do as I'm told...go after the Vets, and give Trump and Kamala a pass.
That's why I'm trying to learn the facts.

Have you you seen any instances of anyone thinking that Vance served in combat ? Got any examples ?

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:12 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:02 am Vance has gone out if his way to convey that he did not serve in combat
Bzzzt. Wrong.

Where's the part where he shows humility of what he really did in the very statement that he goes after Walz's record.

This is VANCE himself putting this out.....this is HIS edit. No mention of what he actually did in Iraq. This is ON PURPOSE. But sure OS, "he put it in his book"....as if the average voters has read that thing. :roll:

https://x.com/JDVance/status/1821198032391827863

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:13 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:10 am
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:08 am
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.
That's right on both counts. Yet Old Salt has told us to go after these fakes the minute they try and serve their country in politics.

I'm going to do as I'm told...go after the Vets, and give Trump and Kamala a pass.
That's why I'm trying to learn the facts.

You you seen any instances of anyone thinking that Vance served in combat ? Got any examples ?
Yep. I thought that, and told you that already. How the F do you think I learned what he really did? How would ANYONE find out?

YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. Duh.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:17 am
by Kismet
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:13 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:10 am
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:08 am
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.
That's right on both counts. Yet Old Salt has told us to go after these fakes the minute they try and serve their country in politics.

I'm going to do as I'm told...go after the Vets, and give Trump and Kamala a pass.
That's why I'm trying to learn the facts.

You you seen any instances of anyone thinking that Vance served in combat ? Got any examples ?
Yep. I thought that, and told you that already. How the F do you think I learned what he really did? How would ANYONE find out?

YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. Duh.
stop wasting your time - This dog is chasing the bone again - we've seen this act before. :oops:

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:18 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:12 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:02 am Vance has gone out if his way to convey that he did not serve in combat
Bzzzt. Wrong.

Where's the part where he shows humility of what he really did in the very statement that he goes after Walz's record.

This is VANCE himself putting this out.....this is HIS edit. No mention of what he actually did in Iraq. This is ON PURPOSE. But sure OS, "he put it in his book"....as if the average voters has read that thing. :roll:

https://x.com/JDVance/status/1821198032391827863
Vance went to Iraq when ordered, He did the job he was ordered to do within his MOS.
If you feign misunderstanding regarding what he did, that's your willful ignorance, persisting after you've been shown examples otherwise.
The more you continue these false analogies, the more stupid & childish you appear.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:20 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:18 am
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:12 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:02 am Vance has gone out if his way to convey that he did not serve in combat
Bzzzt. Wrong.

Where's the part where he shows humility of what he really did in the very statement that he goes after Walz's record.

This is VANCE himself putting this out.....this is HIS edit. No mention of what he actually did in Iraq. This is ON PURPOSE. But sure OS, "he put it in his book"....as if the average voters has read that thing. :roll:

https://x.com/JDVance/status/1821198032391827863
Vance went to Iraq when ordered, He did the job he was ordered to do within his MOS.
If you feign misunderstanding regarding what he did, that's your willful ignorance, persisting after you've been shown examples otherwise.
The more you continue these false analogies, the more stupid & childish you appear.
Walz went to Italy when ordered, He did the job he was ordered to do within his MOS.
If you feign misunderstanding regarding what he did, that's your willful ignorance, persisting after you've been shown examples otherwise.
The more you continue these false analogies, the more stupid & childish you appear.

You're a partisan hack. You think that ONLY Dems can be criticized. It's like talking to a child. GTFO with your Sh9t.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:22 am
by a fan
Kismet wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:17 am
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:13 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:10 am
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:08 am
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.
That's right on both counts. Yet Old Salt has told us to go after these fakes the minute they try and serve their country in politics.

I'm going to do as I'm told...go after the Vets, and give Trump and Kamala a pass.
That's why I'm trying to learn the facts.

You you seen any instances of anyone thinking that Vance served in combat ? Got any examples ?
Yep. I thought that, and told you that already. How the F do you think I learned what he really did? How would ANYONE find out?

YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. Duh.
stop wasting your time - This dog is chasing the bone again - we've seen this act before. :oops:
Unlike OS, my stills are running. Gettin' paid and having a nice Sunday.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:29 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:10 am Have you you seen any instances of anyone thinking that Vance served in combat ? Got any examples ?
This is how you can tell how easily it is to manipulate Old Salt.

Because TeamTrump told Old Salt to question Vance's service.....he's not bright enough to understand that's why he is going after Walz.

He's also not bright enough to understand that's why he's upset about Hunter's laptop, our "open borders", and all the other complaints that Trump told Old Salt to make here at the Forum

Yet you can see in this sentence that he thinks that because Walz and the Dems aren't sh*tty enough human beings to go after Vance for implying that he fought in combat in Iraq? That that's "evidence" that Vance isn't implying he fought in Iraq.

See how that works, fellas? Magic of the letter R takes a man with an elite education, and turns him into a partisan Yes-Man, dutifully doing what he's told to think and do.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:39 am
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:18 am The more you continue these false analogies, the more stupid & childish you appear.
Woof! Woof! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:50 am
by Typical Lax Dad
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:29 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:10 am Have you you seen any instances of anyone thinking that Vance served in combat ? Got any examples ?
This is how you can tell how easily it is to manipulate Old Salt.

Because TeamTrump told Old Salt to question Vance's service.....he's not bright enough to understand that's why he is going after Walz.

He's also not bright enough to understand that's why he's upset about Hunter's laptop, our "open borders", and all the other complaints that Trump told Old Salt to make here at the Forum

Yet you can see in this sentence that he thinks that because Walz and the Dems aren't sh*tty enough human beings to go after Vance for implying that he fought in combat in Iraq? That that's "evidence" that Vance isn't implying he fought in Iraq.

See how that works, fellas? Magic of the letter R takes a man with an elite education, and turns him into a partisan Yes-Man, dutifully doing what he's told to think and do.

Image

Right Wing Media = Old Salt Brain

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:50 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:20 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:18 am
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:12 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:02 am Vance has gone out if his way to convey that he did not serve in combat
Bzzzt. Wrong.

Where's the part where he shows humility of what he really did in the very statement that he goes after Walz's record.

This is VANCE himself putting this out.....this is HIS edit. No mention of what he actually did in Iraq. This is ON PURPOSE. But sure OS, "he put it in his book"....as if the average voters has read that thing. :roll:

https://x.com/JDVance/status/1821198032391827863
Vance went to Iraq when ordered, He did the job he was ordered to do within his MOS.
If you feign misunderstanding regarding what he did, that's your willful ignorance, persisting after you've been shown examples otherwise.
The more you continue these false analogies, the more stupid & childish you appear.
Walz went to Italy when ordered, He did the job he was ordered to do within his MOS.
If you feign misunderstanding regarding what he did, that's your willful ignorance, persisting after you've been shown examples otherwise.
The more you continue these false analogies, the more stupid & childish you appear.

You're a partisan hack. You think that ONLY Dems can be criticized. It's like talking to a child. GTFO with your Sh9t.
...& he nodded in agreement when his C-Span interviewer when she described that as service in Afghanistan.

I never misunderstood. I recognized it as BS.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:51 am
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:50 am Image

Right Wing Media = Old Salt Brain
Where did you find that picture of Biden in the situation room ?

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:58 am
by a fan
a fan wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:29 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:10 am Have you you seen any instances of anyone thinking that Vance served in combat ? Got any examples ?
This is how you can tell how easily it is to manipulate Old Salt.

Because TeamTrump told Old Salt to question Vance's service.....he's not bright enough to understand that's why he is going after Walz.

He's also not bright enough to understand that's why he's upset about Hunter's laptop, our "open borders", and all the other complaints that Trump told Old Salt to make here at the Forum

Yet you can see in this sentence that he thinks that because Walz and the Dems aren't sh*tty enough human beings to go after Vance for implying that he fought in combat in Iraq? That that's "evidence" that Vance isn't implying he fought in Iraq.

See how that works, fellas? Magic of the letter R takes a man with an elite education, and turns him into a partisan Yes-Man, dutifully doing what he's told to think and do.
No comment, OS? No witty comeback for us?

Trump has played you. Again. Why do you keep letting yourself do what he tells you to do? It's been 12 years...when will you stop falling for this stuff?

It's made you go after a Vet, and give someone who dodged the draft a pass. How do you not see how badly Trump is manipulating you?

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:00 pm
by DMac
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:06 am
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.
Anyone here deny someone can misinterpret something? I know someone that has denied the possibility of someone implying something….more than once….even wants to change the definition of Implying.
You're getting childish with this TLD.
That someone didn't deny the possibility....either time.
Only difference here is apparently I'm not just being stupid
and don't understand basic English. When you say something
was/is implied, that's what was implied (whether or not it was),
period.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:01 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:00 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:06 am
DMac wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:04 am Oh, there's still such a thing as implying, there's also still such a thing as misinterpreting and coming to incorrect conclusions from implications, and that is indeed on the listener.

Yes, a fan, I know that Vance is playing on this. Yes, he knows what the ignorant majority (vast) is going to think when he says that.
Anyone here deny someone can misinterpret something? I know someone that has denied the possibility of someone implying something….more than once….even wants to change the definition of Implying.
You're getting childish with this TLD.
That someone didn't deny the possibility....either time.
Only difference here is apparently I'm not just being stupid
and don't understand basic English. When you say something
was/is implied, that's what was implied (whether or not it was),
period.
Check the tape. I’ve implied things also….knowing full well how it would be received. Where I am from, we call it lying without lying.