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Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:25 pm**

flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:07 pm Not all can be thrown on the Pietramala crew.
Are Epstein and DeSimone having the type of seasons we expected? Is that on them or the current coaches. You need your best players to be your best players and that isn’t happening for us. Has Peshko improved over last year? Really the only players I see getting better are Degnon and Angelus. Kirson, McManus, Lyne have all regressed. Now to be fair I’ve heard Lyne is really banged up.

Again, these are Petro guys. Would any coach in the USA have taken Epstein? Undoubtedly, and he would have likely been a Tewarton candidate if the injury hadn't set him back. Is some of this the system, maybe trying to fit a square peg in a round hole? Could be, but here is Maryland's lineup and you tell me who Tillman would swap out for any of his upper classmen?

Attack

Wisnauskis 5th yr
Khan Grad
Murphy Soph

Midfield

Donville Grad
Demaio 5th yr
Long Sr

Defense

Rayhill Grad
Makar Sr
Prybylski Grad

Goalie

McNaney Jr

Rope

Puglise Grad
Geppert Jr
Fairman 5th yr

F/O

Wierman Jr

Do you think PM could beat Hopkins coaching Tillman's team? Do you think Tillman could beat Maryland coaching PM's team?

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:43 pm**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:13 am
jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:02 am Rutgers lacrosse roster lists 15 kids with prior college experience and only the goalie and fogos on that list are listed at sub 6'0. Our roster lists keogh hawley krampf bauer raposo angelus mcdermott chauvette as 5'10 or under.
Soooooo? Look, I am the poster child for thinking early recruiting was one of the over-riding factors in the decline. And one problem with recruiting kids that just finished the 8th or 9th grade is they may not grow to what you hope or think and your team is undersized with 30 converted attackmen. That. IMO, is a valid concern. What is not valid - however - is thinking it can be reversed with a snap of the fingers. You have to play those guys because you can't get any other guys. This is also not a good recruiting story - good luck going to Hopkins - he'll cut you in 2 years. HE HAD TO PLAY THE HAND HE WAS DEALT - he did cut 6 or more kids - Murphy and Zinn went elsewhere - didn't renew some COVID seniors - took in a couple transfers and still ended up with a 50+ roster. Get a grip.

I agree with this. "2 years to turn things around" is a ridiculous take, even in the transfer portal era. Citing Rutgers as an example of how its done? Brecht has been there for ten years. His first 4 were an abject disaster, on and off the field. Their success now is the result of patience in letting him build the program. And to think that Hopkins somehow was in a different place when the previous regime left ignores a decade of diminishing performance, certainly fueled by an addiction to early recruting. This is going to take time.

On that note, if one is to criticize Milliman for anything, it would be this year's schedule. I love the idea of taking on the best, but this was not the team that could handle this gauntlet, especially with Jacksonville, Navy, and Delaware having really good years. On the flip side, if Milliman thought that there was immediate pressure to "turn things around" (if measured by W-L), he wouldn't have done this, unless he has a death wish.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:44 pm**

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:25 pm
flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:07 pm Not all can be thrown on the Pietramala crew.
Are Epstein and DeSimone having the type of seasons we expected? Is that on them or the current coaches. You need your best players to be your best players and that isn’t happening for us. Has Peshko improved over last year? Really the only players I see getting better are Degnon and Angelus. Kirson, McManus, Lyne have all regressed. Now to be fair I’ve heard Lyne is really banged up.
Again, these are Petro guys. Would any coach in the USA have taken Epstein? Undoubtedly, and he would have likely been a Tewarton candidate if the injury hadn't set him back. Is some of this the system, maybe trying to fit a square peg in a round hole? Could be, but here is Maryland's lineup and you tell me who Tillman would swap out for any of his upper classmen?

Attack

Wisnauskis 5th yr
Khan Grad
Murphy Soph

Midfield

Donville Grad
Demaio 5th yr
Long Sr

Defense

Rayhill Grad
Makar Sr
Prybylski Grad

Goalie

McNaney Jr

Rope

Puglise Grad
Geppert Jr
Fairman 5th yr

F/O

Wierman Jr

Do you think PM could beat Hopkins coaching Tillman's team? Do you think Tillman could beat Maryland coaching PM's team?

Smith for Prybylski. That's it. That's the list.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:44 pm**

Wheels wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:53 am With regards to the talent issue, yes, Milliman inherited what he inherited. However, good coaches put players in positions to succeed. Again, it's about his game plans and adjustments. It's hard to say that he's put those offensive players in position to succeed. Defense, yes. Offense, er...um...no.

Given the skill and athletes on defense, I'm surprised that Hop hasn't tried to push more in transition. If your size and athleticism limits you in the half-field, why keep trying to bang you head against that? Why not look for other ways to score or at least be different? Can you say that Hop is really taking its best swing on offense? That this is all they can do or should do? I'd be playing more like Hobart right now if I was Milliman.

This IMO is at least reasonable to consider but I ask in return what could have been done differently? He's thrown alot of pasta against the wall and things haven't really stuck. He certainly put DeSimone in a position to succeed after Petro had him at mid-field and probably on the DeChambeau diet for 3 years. Yes he's back at mid-field - maybe only because he's bigger than Angelus. He tried Williams last year at mid but put him at attack when Grimes was not ready. If everybody is correct and Epstein's knee injury will prevent him from ever being the x attackman he was freshman year well then he correctly identified that and put him as a wing shooter where he's had some success. He tried Chauvette - he tried Bauer - he's given Evans a greater role - he's given Phillips some runs - Keogh is having his best year. This team needed a few things to happen offensively to be successful and first and foremost they needed Grimes and Peshko to score goals - to open up spaces for Epstein and DeSimone - while injuries are not an "excuse" and everyone has them - the lack of outside shooting means teams can zone and slough in - except on Degnon - and they don't have to worry. I simply do not see alternatives that would have changed that.

Goals in transition - great point - but first - you have to have the goalie that can a) save the ball b) start the transition. It is clear to me the book on Kirson after a save is make him cradle for one or two beats and then you have a chance to build the pressure to create a turnover and stop transition. They have some athletes - Smith and McManus have 5 goals together - some SSDMs have goals - I just don't think they have enough to turn themselves into a real transition team.

I would agree 83% clearing is unacceptable and maybe the most obvious "coaching" failure

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:52 pm**

Agree. Wheels has a great point about transition in an ideal world, but 51 is correct that this is dependent on area in which this team is weak: a goalie who makes great/ quick decisions in the clearing game and SSDMs who are threats in transition. We lack both of those.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:56 pm**

Wheels wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:53 am With regards to the talent issue, yes, Milliman inherited what he inherited. However, good coaches put players in positions to succeed. Again, it's about his game plans and adjustments. It's hard to say that he's put those offensive players in position to succeed. Defense, yes. Offense, er...um...no.

Given the skill and athletes on defense, I'm surprised that Hop hasn't tried to push more in transition. If your size and athleticism limits you in the half-field, why keep trying to bang you head against that? Why not look for other ways to score or at least be different? Can you say that Hop is really taking its best swing on offense? That this is all they can do or should do? I'd be playing more like Hobart right now if I was Milliman.

Who isn't in a position to succeed that could be? What is he not doing that he should be doing? He has shaken up the lineup midseason more than I think any other coach in the country with the hopes of finding some answers. I don't know that there are any answers to be found right now. You saw it with your own eyes, what exactly are you supposed to do against a good defense when you lack literally a single capable dodger?

There are a couple lineup tweaks a reasonable person can point to that *maybe* would have made *some* impact over the course of the season, but not enough to fundamentally change things:
- Give a kid like Phillips, or one of the other freshmen, more of a chance at midfield. Hakim Hicks has unbelievable shake but I believe has either been hurt all year or is being redshirted
- Start a different goalie
- Schematically, I don't claim to know more than John Grant Jr. on how to score goals. If there was some magic answer with this group he'd probably have found it. The guy running your league-best offense right now looked similarly helpless from an X's and O's standpoint in 2020 and that was with Cole Williams, Forry Smith, Evan Zinn, and Owen Murphy on the team in addition to Epstein, Degnon, Angelus, DeSimone. With the exception of a season-opening win against a historically bad Towson team, that offense could get absolutely nothing going

flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:07 pm Not all can be thrown on the Pietramala crew.
Are Epstein and DeSimone having the type of seasons we expected? Is that on them or the current coaches. You need your best players to be your best players and that isn’t happening for us. Has Peshko improved over last year? Really the only players I see getting better are Degnon and Angelus. Kirson, McManus, Lyne have all regressed. Now to be fair I’ve heard Lyne is really banged up.

I'm not sure it's fair to say McManus has regressed. He's one of the few true athletes we have on the team. If everyone had his size and speed we'd be much better off. I've liked him better this year than last.

Think Evans has improved, as you know he's dealing with injuries as well and has accumulated another one on top of the boating accident. The play of basically all of the shorties has improved from 2020 as well. That's more than you can say for years prior when seemingly no one made any strides from year to year. There were pages and pages in this thread devoted to how Petro couldn't develop players. I think more guys have improved individually under this current staff than did over the previous 5-6 years under the last one and that's not an exaggeration.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:56 pm**

primitiveskills wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:44 pm
get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:25 pm
flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:07 pm Not all can be thrown on the Pietramala crew.
Are Epstein and DeSimone having the type of seasons we expected? Is that on them or the current coaches. You need your best players to be your best players and that isn’t happening for us. Has Peshko improved over last year? Really the only players I see getting better are Degnon and Angelus. Kirson, McManus, Lyne have all regressed. Now to be fair I’ve heard Lyne is really banged up.
Again, these are Petro guys. Would any coach in the USA have taken Epstein? Undoubtedly, and he would have likely been a Tewarton candidate if the injury hadn't set him back. Is some of this the system, maybe trying to fit a square peg in a round hole? Could be, but here is Maryland's lineup and you tell me who Tillman would swap out for any of his upper classmen?

Attack

Wisnauskis 5th yr
Khan Grad
Murphy Soph

Midfield

Donville Grad
Demaio 5th yr
Long Sr

Defense

Rayhill Grad
Makar Sr
Prybylski Grad

Goalie

McNaney Jr

Rope

Puglise Grad
Geppert Jr
Fairman 5th yr

F/O

Wierman Jr

Do you think PM could beat Hopkins coaching Tillman's team? Do you think Tillman could beat Maryland coaching PM's team?

Smith for Prybylski. That's it. That's the list.

I think you miss the point here. It's not could coach X win with Coach Y's roster, its getting the roster there. After you get them at your school, you have to be able to keep them and nurture/grow their talent. So the question really is, could Coach X get those same transfers/recruits to his school if he was recruiting against Coach Y for the same guy? If he gets them, can he keep them engaged, and grow their abilities? I do not know much about Coach PM, and maybe he needs a little more time to see where it goes. And I do not believe its about "charisma" as someone mentioned. It could be for some coaches, but I think its more about engagement and team culture.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:57 pm**

masondixonlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:14 pm PM needs more time to be fully evaluated. I think in due time he will turn out to be a good coach. Now the only two weird and unexplainable things to me about PM which did make me question him some was

A. The Epstein situation. Just weird how he handled it but then again I am not on the inside and don't know any details but from an outsider prospective it's been well... weird
B. The senior day post game celebration. I am 99% positive he learned from his mistake but won't know until next seasons final.

Other than that, I think he did the best he could with his roster. Takes time for culture to build

Ah, but is he building a winning culture or a losing culture?
I would say the latter.
If Epstein transfers out for his final year, I think we'll see his next coach get solid production out of him.
We'll be having this same discussion two years from now when Hopkins has failed to make the playoffs 4 years in a row.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:14 pm**

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:25 pm
flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:07 pm Not all can be thrown on the Pietramala crew.
Are Epstein and DeSimone having the type of seasons we expected? Is that on them or the current coaches. You need your best players to be your best players and that isn’t happening for us. Has Peshko improved over last year? Really the only players I see getting better are Degnon and Angelus. Kirson, McManus, Lyne have all regressed. Now to be fair I’ve heard Lyne is really banged up.
Again, these are Petro guys. Would any coach in the USA have taken Epstein? Undoubtedly, and he would have likely been a Tewarton candidate if the injury hadn't set him back. Is some of this the system, maybe trying to fit a square peg in a round hole? Could be, but here is Maryland's lineup and you tell me who Tillman would swap out for any of his upper classmen?

Attack

Wisnauskis 5th yr
Khan Grad
Murphy Soph

Midfield

Donville Grad
Demaio 5th yr
Long Sr

Defense

Rayhill Grad
Makar Sr
Prybylski Grad

Goalie

McNaney Jr

Rope

Puglise Grad
Geppert Jr
Fairman 5th yr

F/O

Wierman Jr

Do you think PM could beat Hopkins coaching Tillman's team? Do you think Tillman could beat Maryland coaching PM's team?

One guy on that list he already had and 3 others he could have tried to get. Maybe he did and couldn't get them.

If I was a Hopkins fan, I'd be nervous. Epstein is an enigma and no one seems to know if it's injury or something else. However, he let or encouraged Murphy to go. That player is a very obvious talent who would help any team. He goes to the number 1 team in the country is an is an immediate contributor. That's serious cause for concern. He either doesn't recognize the guy's talent, tried to keep him and couldn't, or encouraged him to leave. Sometimes kids just want a change of scenery and there isn't much you can do but none of those options are great if it is indeed one of those.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:25 pm**

1766 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:14 pm
get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:25 pm
flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:07 pm Not all can be thrown on the Pietramala crew.
Are Epstein and DeSimone having the type of seasons we expected? Is that on them or the current coaches. You need your best players to be your best players and that isn’t happening for us. Has Peshko improved over last year? Really the only players I see getting better are Degnon and Angelus. Kirson, McManus, Lyne have all regressed. Now to be fair I’ve heard Lyne is really banged up.
Again, these are Petro guys. Would any coach in the USA have taken Epstein? Undoubtedly, and he would have likely been a Tewarton candidate if the injury hadn't set him back. Is some of this the system, maybe trying to fit a square peg in a round hole? Could be, but here is Maryland's lineup and you tell me who Tillman would swap out for any of his upper classmen?

Attack

Wisnauskis 5th yr
Khan Grad
Murphy Soph

Midfield

Donville Grad
Demaio 5th yr
Long Sr

Defense

Rayhill Grad
Makar Sr
Prybylski Grad

Goalie

McNaney Jr

Rope

Puglise Grad
Geppert Jr
Fairman 5th yr

F/O

Wierman Jr

Do you think PM could beat Hopkins coaching Tillman's team? Do you think Tillman could beat Maryland coaching PM's team?

One guy on that list he already had and 3 others he could have tried to get. Maybe he did and couldn't get them.

If I was a Hopkins fan, I'd be nervous. Epstein is an enigma and no one seems to know if it's injury or something else. However, he let or encouraged Murphy to go. That player is a very obvious talent who would help any team. He goes to the number 1 team in the country is an is an immediate contributor. That's serious cause for concern. He either doesn't recognize the guy's talent, tried to keep him and couldn't, or encouraged him to leave. Sometimes kids just want a change of scenery and there isn't much you can do but none of those options are great if it is indeed one of those.

Hope I didn't start a trend with the stupid underline. I only wanted to underline the position titles.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:27 pm**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:19 pm
flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:07 pm Are Epstein and DeSimone having the type of seasons we expected? Is that on them or the current coaches. You need your best players to be your best players and that isn’t happening for us. Has Peshko improved over last year? Really the only players I see getting better are Degnon and Angelus. Kirson, McManus, Lyne have all regressed. Now to be fair I’ve heard Lyne is really banged up.
Wait a second - aren't you the one arguing that Epstein and DeSimone get away with figurative murder on the team - especially as compared to Murphy - so maybe their decline has more to do with them than Milliman?
Why is McManus on your list? 3 goals - more gbs - 1 more CT in same number of games (OK one more game this year)
Kirson - isn't his save percentage - 46% - which is not great - but isn't it factors better than last year??
Hasn't Peshko been banged up all year? ANd I still think the Rutgers game from last year put unrealistic expectations in our heads
Epstein has the same number of points as last year
DeSimone - who I have posted before does not appear to have the same burst as last year - could be dealing with an injury as well

Is it about doing the same year in or year out or is about building and getting better every year. That’s my point. The leaders and the seniors aren’t getting better. And I don’t know if that’s on the coaches or players. I’m just summing you what I see. If you think Deso Epstein are doing a bang up job- cool.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:29 pm**

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:25 pm Hope I didn't start a trend with the stupid underline. I only wanted to underline the position titles.

The underlining is a good thing, it more readily informs folks of who's opinion on here should probably be discounted because you guys don't know how to use a computer

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:47 pm**

'The underlining is a good thing, it more readily informs folks of who's opinion on here should probably be discounted because you guys don't know how to use a computer

"

The computer guy might try proof reading . . . .

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:50 pm**

Lol whose* you got me

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:50 pm**

flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:27 pm
51percentcorn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:19 pm
flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:07 pm Are Epstein and DeSimone having the type of seasons we expected? Is that on them or the current coaches. You need your best players to be your best players and that isn’t happening for us. Has Peshko improved over last year? Really the only players I see getting better are Degnon and Angelus. Kirson, McManus, Lyne have all regressed. Now to be fair I’ve heard Lyne is really banged up.
Wait a second - aren't you the one arguing that Epstein and DeSimone get away with figurative murder on the team - especially as compared to Murphy - so maybe their decline has more to do with them than Milliman?
Why is McManus on your list? 3 goals - more gbs - 1 more CT in same number of games (OK one more game this year)
Kirson - isn't his save percentage - 46% - which is not great - but isn't it factors better than last year??
Hasn't Peshko been banged up all year? ANd I still think the Rutgers game from last year put unrealistic expectations in our heads
Epstein has the same number of points as last year
DeSimone - who I have posted before does not appear to have the same burst as last year - could be dealing with an injury as well
Is it about doing the same year in or year out or is about building and getting better every year. That’s my point. The leaders and the seniors aren’t getting better. And I don’t know if that’s on the coaches or players. I’m just summing you what I see. If you think Deso Epstein are doing a bang up job- cool.

I didn't say they were doing a bang-up job - I guess I took your use of the word regressed too literally. Especially if you believe Epstein is hampered by his sophomore year injury - I would say that to expect them to be producing 50- 60-70 point seasons with the surrounding cast is unrealistic. And I noticed you ignored the point about you questioning their leadership - while not naming their names you were actually quite specific.

1766 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:14 pm One guy on that list he already had and 3 others he could have tried to get. Maybe he did and couldn't get them.

If I was a Hopkins fan, I'd be nervous. Epstein is an enigma and no one seems to know if it's injury or something else. However, he let or encouraged Murphy to go. That player is a very obvious talent who would help any team. He goes to the number 1 team in the country is an is an immediate contributor. That's serious cause for concern. He either doesn't recognize the guy's talent, tried to keep him and couldn't, or encouraged him to leave. Sometimes kids just want a change of scenery and there isn't much you can do but none of those options are great if it is indeed one of those.

If the 3 others include Donville - Khan etc he most likely did try. Why would you think he wouldn't? The only reason he wouldn't try are for the reasons I cited before - he had a roster dumpster fire in front of him and 2-3 more one year rentals would not have solved the problem - it would have been a nice band-aid - might have beaten Navy and Delaware and not lost to UVA and Maryland by a gazillion - maybe - but otherwise it made entirely more sense for those players to seek out a title contender.

As for Murphy - I think this one is best left alone. As the old saying starts - I wish I had a dollar for every version of that story I have been told or seen. AND if you brought the 2 protagonists in that story to this forum and ask them to tell you what happened you would get 2 completely different versions - so who is correct? The only 2 things I will say is a) there are a multitude of reasons why a player could leave one school for another and b) if you think Milliman acted or participated uilaterally without considering Murphy's talent or simply wanted him to leave you are nuts.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:58 pm**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:50 pm As for Murphy - I think this one is best left alone. As the old saying starts - I wish I had a dollar for every version of that story I have been told or seen. AND if you brought the 2 protagonists in that story to this forum and ask them to tell you what happened you would get 2 completely different versions - so who is correct? The only 2 things I will say is a) there are a multitude of reasons why a player could leave one school for another and b) if you think Milliman acted or participated uilaterally without considering Murphy's talent or simply wanted him to leave you are nuts.

Then you could argue PM didn't fight hard enough to keep him. Whatever Murphy did, it couldn't have been that bad or Tillman wouldn't have taken him in. If you don't go to bat for your players, you can't expect them to go to bat for you.
Of course, If I were him, and the AD or RD is running off your best players, I would consider that ample enough provocation to MOVE ON.
It's always easier to get a job when you have a job.

I think the word you want is "unilaterally"

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:09 pm**

Just a little perspective, not an opinion.

Maryland beat mighty Virginia 23-12, Duke beat Virginia 17-8, Richmond beat Virginia 17-13, and nobody is discussing firing the Va. Coach.

Duke lost to Loyola 12-10, lost to Syracuse 14-10, and lost to Jacksonville 14-12: all teams that lowly Hopkins beat.

A little perspective. It is not the end of the World.

And it is getting a little predictable and tiresome for all the Hopkins Haters to jump in and tell us what is wrong with our little, but much revered, University.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:14 pm**

Of course PM wanted Donville. He coached him to All-American seasons at Cornell in 2020 and 2021. Donville wants to be a journalist and Maryland offers a pretty good program with the chance to win a national championship. No one was going to compete with that. If he wanted to get into medicine/public health instead maybe he'd have come to Homewood.

I can't overstate how nice the area that the Carey Business School is in is. It's not exactly Wharton reputation-wise but that could become a selling point for transfers. I'd *love* to live in Harbor East or Fell's Point for a year as a 22-year-old, directly on the water surrounded by bars. The school offers a bunch of interesting 1-year masters programs in addition to an MBA.

Not like they haven't used the portal. They've brought in six guys (plus Delaney), unfortunately two (Fernandez and Maher) have had serious injuries. A smart person sees that and thinks hm, they're clearly not opposed to the portal, they probably tried — like many other teams — to get a couple more guys in but were beat out by Maryland/Georgetown. A not smart person sees they brought in 7 guys and believes those must have been the only 7 they spoke to and that they had no interest in anyone else.

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:58 pm Whatever Murphy did, it couldn't have been that bad or Tillman wouldn't have taken him in.

He didn't do anything criminal but if he did what he did at Maryland, Tillman would have sent him packing before he could blink. Unless your name is Matt Rambo, Tills' tolerance for rogueries of any kind is quite low. He's a Navy guy. One reason that program is so successful is because he runs it like a goddamn ship. Don't you remember the histrionics here a few years ago from some disgruntled fans (may have been parents or former players?) about how he breaks NCAA practice time rules and treats his players like Navy SEALs? Tillman took him in because he's talented and because he had an existing relationship with Bobby Benson. That doesn't mean the kid had no say in what happened to him at Homewood or that PM wasn't justified in the course of action that he took.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:19 pm**

Go back and play with your lincoln logs until the nice man in the white suit comes with your jell-o and pills.

So I typed a word incorrectly - if that was a crime O'Canada would be in Guantanomo.

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:58 pm Whatever Murphy did, it couldn't have been that bad or Tillman wouldn't have taken him in.

You know this how? How? The answer is you don't. On the other hand maybe Murphy didn't do anything - the only thing for sure is you do not know what you are talking about - never have never will

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:58 pm Of course, If I were him, and the AD or RD is running off your best players, I would consider that ample enough provocation to MOVE ON.

Uh - problem with this one - Murphy was the first to leave - so nobody was running off anyone - Murphy was gone before the '21 season. AND maybe there is food for thought in this - if Murphy was treated so unfairly - run off with no provocation - why didn't anyone else leave? Why would they stay and put up with unquestionably one of their most promising young players kicked off the team for no reason? Several of those players could have found other schools certainly by '22 - and yet by most accounts only Zinn left of his own volition.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:28 pm**

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:14 pm He didn't do anything criminal but if he did what he did at Maryland, Tillman would have sent him packing before he could blink. Unless your name is Matt Rambo, Tills' tolerance for rogueries of any kind is quite low. He's a Navy guy. One reason that program is so successful is because he runs it like a goddamn ship. Don't you remember the histrionics here a few years ago from some disgruntled fans (may have been parents or former players?) about how he breaks NCAA practice time rules and treats his players like Navy SEALs? Tillman took him in because he's talented and because he had an existing relationship with Bobby Benson. That doesn't mean the kid had no say in what happened to him at Homewood or that PM wasn't justified in the course of action that he took.

So this is self contradictory right?
Tillman runs a TIGHT SHIP! He's a former NAVY guy!
But he took in this player with serious conduct problems. Right....
Sorry dude, doesn't add up.
Your star player leaves and the nation's top team takes him in, looks out for him, worries about him all week in the lead up to the game, then lets him carry the CRAB trophy around Homewood field after he just outscored you entire team, and you're happy about that?
Either you ran him off which was stupid and antithetical to your goals, or he was run off over your strong objections.
If the first case you are a FAILURE as a coach. In the second case, your resume hits the internet.
I don't think it would be hard for PM to convince anyone in the lacrosse community that RD is a douche and the he didn't get the support he needed.

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